Does Jesus love satan?

[nuclPUmky]

I really appreciate you guys, it is such a honor to discuss and yet sad find few people like you who are digging these questions in the scripture seriously and deeply. Yes all of these are very intriguing and very controversial issues over the last 2000 years starting from the early church age. The book of enoch has not been included in the scripture historically could be people arguing over human sins versus angelical sins, in which Enoch claims in the beginning of this book is meant for the end-time people. Let me try to summarize you guys points here. 1. The simple answer to " Does Jesus still love Satan ?": we do not know directly from the scripture. That is why I listed these verses as eternal punishments leading to my own conjectures earlier. 2. But another way we can indirectly see in the scripture from multiple places, including Jesus being tested in the wildness, several times He rebukes the demons out of people, and saying to the teachers of the law and Pharisees ( Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? I don't have time to list all the scriptures here). But my point is Jesus never asks repentance for Satan, even when Peter told Him that the crucification would not happen to Him, He simply said, "Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns. Matthew 16:23 ". These evidences as a lot of those saying fallen angels and Satan in the Lake of Fire for eternally, which does not show any sense to me that God loves Satan, otherwise He would provide a way for Him, just like He sends His only Son to save us human (the famous John 3:16 ). 3. I belive the bible we have is complete for human and the final revelation from God before Jesus' second coming. However, this does not mean God could have already had a scripture for angels, which might be different from us, but the patterns for redeem the sins would be similar, for instance, Jesus could have died for them in another dimension. 4. Sorry, these are probably very lame imaginations. For instance, we don't even know why Satan is allowed to enter the heavenly places in Job or the snake appeared in the Garden of Eden in the beginning of the Genesis. His access to heaven has clearly not been entirely revoked yet. 5. For now, these answers are the best I could provide. The most important and critical thing for all of us is that, Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Him ( John 14:6 ). So @Bill I think @DieAmartyr made a good point that Jesus reminding us to love our enemies. An alternative way to understand this is that we often give Satan too much credit in our own sins, even though he is the king of this world and the greatest deceiver (what we are seeing today in the US election is an unseen war between the good and the evil, and Satan almost wins with his global dark swamp with the power of CCP and internaional communism, but we should be patient to see the finale until Jan 20th). Overall, I think the bible is God's revelation to humans, and God certainly has the authority to keep mysteries to Himself (Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.). We are like God, but will never become God. Thus, it is depending on Him to reveal more of the mysteries to us when we will be seeing Him one day.

 

[DieAmartyr]

I really appreciate you guys, it is such a honor to discuss and yet sad find few people like you who are digging these questions in the scripture seriously and deeply. Yes all of these are very intriguing and very controversial issues over the last 2000 years starting from the early church age. The book of enoch has not been included in the scripture historically could be people arguing over human sins versus angelical sins, in which Enoch claims in the beginning of this book is meant for the end-time people. Let me try to summarize you guys points here. 1. The simple answer to " Does Jesus still love Satan ?": we do not know directly from the scripture. That is why I listed these verses as eternal punishments leading to my own conjectures earlier. 2. But another way we can indirectly see in the scripture from multiple places, including Jesus being tested in the wildness, several times He rebukes the demons out of people, and saying to the teachers of the law and Pharisees ( Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? I don't have time to list all the scriptures here). But my point is Jesus never asks repentance for Satan, even when Peter told Him that the crucification would not happen to Him, He simply said, "Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns. Matthew 16:23 ". These evidences as a lot of those saying fallen angels and Satan in the Lake of Fire for eternally, which does not show any sense to me that God loves Satan, otherwise He would provide a way for Him, just like He sends His only Son to save us human (the famous John 3:16 ). 3. I belive the bible we have is complete for human and the final revelation from God before Jesus' second coming. However, this does not mean God could have already had a scripture for angels, which might be different from us, but the patterns for redeem the sins would be similar, for instance, Jesus could have died for them in another dimension. 4. Sorry, these are probably very lame imaginations. For instance, we don't even know why Satan is allowed to enter the heavenly places in Job or the snake appeared in the Garden of Eden in the beginning of the Genesis. His access to heaven has clearly not been entirely revoked yet. 5. For now, these answers are the best I could provide. The most important and critical thing for all of us is that, Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Him ( John 14:6 ). So @Bill I think @DieAmartyr made a good point that Jesus reminding us to love our enemies. An alternative way to understand this is that we often give Satan too much credit in our own sins, even though he is the king of this world and the greatest deceiver (what we are seeing today in the US election is an unseen war between the good and the evil, and Satan almost wins with his global dark swamp with the power of CCP and internaional communism, but we should be patient to see the finale until Jan 20th). Overall, I think the bible is God's revelation to humans, and God certainly has the authority to keep mysteries to Himself (Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.). We are like God, but will never become God. Thus, it is depending on Him to reveal more of the mysteries to us when we will be seeing Him one day.

 

[Bill]

I really appreciate you guys, it is such a honor to discuss and yet sad find few people like you who are digging these questions in the scripture seriously and deeply. Yes all of these are very intriguing and very controversial issues over the last 2000 years starting from the early church age. The book of enoch has not been included in the scripture historically could be people arguing over human sins versus angelical sins, in which Enoch claims in the beginning of this book is meant for the end-time people. Let me try to summarize you guys points here. 1. The simple answer to " Does Jesus still love Satan ?": we do not know directly from the scripture. That is why I listed these verses as eternal punishments leading to my own conjectures earlier. 2. But another way we can indirectly see in the scripture from multiple places, including Jesus being tested in the wildness, several times He rebukes the demons out of people, and saying to the teachers of the law and Pharisees ( Matthew 23:33 "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? I don't have time to list all the scriptures here). But my point is Jesus never asks repentance for Satan, even when Peter told Him that the crucification would not happen to Him, He simply said, "Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns. Matthew 16:23 ". These evidences as a lot of those saying fallen angels and Satan in the Lake of Fire for eternally, which does not show any sense to me that God loves Satan, otherwise He would provide a way for Him, just like He sends His only Son to save us human (the famous John 3:16 ). 3. I belive the bible we have is complete for human and the final revelation from God before Jesus' second coming. However, this does not mean God could have already had a scripture for angels, which might be different from us, but the patterns for redeem the sins would be similar, for instance, Jesus could have died for them in another dimension. 4. Sorry, these are probably very lame imaginations. For instance, we don't even know why Satan is allowed to enter the heavenly places in Job or the snake appeared in the Garden of Eden in the beginning of the Genesis. His access to heaven has clearly not been entirely revoked yet. 5. For now, these answers are the best I could provide. The most important and critical thing for all of us is that, Jesus is the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Him ( John 14:6 ). So @Bill I think @DieAmartyr made a good point that Jesus reminding us to love our enemies. An alternative way to understand this is that we often give Satan too much credit in our own sins, even though he is the king of this world and the greatest deceiver (what we are seeing today in the US election is an unseen war between the good and the evil, and Satan almost wins with his global dark swamp with the power of CCP and internaional communism, but we should be patient to see the finale until Jan 20th). Overall, I think the bible is God's revelation to humans, and God certainly has the authority to keep mysteries to Himself (Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.). We are like God, but will never become God. Thus, it is depending on Him to reveal more of the mysteries to us when we will be seeing Him one day.

But your question does Jesus still love Satan ? And your answer is it's only talking about the punishment of the Fallen or of the evil humans and where they're going to go in the end .
There is a huge difference because yes Jesus still loves Lucifer his creation . But he will also punish the evildoer. If God does not concern himself with those who are in hell then everyone and hell would not exist . Nothing can exist without God . And God cannot change his nature which is love . So it is safe to say that God still loves those who are even in hell even though it is an eternal punishment for what they've done .
God is certainly in a tough position. All of mankind is his created children , and I know the father loves his children . But he also knows that those children who have gone completely dark must be punished . Think of it this way Jesus was sent end of the world into the darkness of the world the void of sin . Before Jesus came into the world born of the virgin the world was Darkness . Jesus was the light For All Mankind not just for a few . It was in Israel that the light was revealed to mankind . And and all those who walked in darkness Who Saw the Light some more drawn to the light , and the light lived in them .
Now we cannot condemn our brothers and sisters the creative children of God just because we may have Delight in US and they have not received the light that is Jesus we cannot condemn them it is not our place to do so . But at all costs we must strive to reach out to our brothers and sisters and bring them to Jesus

 

[Gracy Hansda]

God never goes against what the Bible says. Satan will not repent. The Bible says angels cannot be redeemed.
I sincerely doubt this was given to you by God.

Yes me too

 

[Bill]

God never goes against what the Bible says. Satan will not repent. The Bible says angels cannot be redeemed.
I sincerely doubt this was given to you by God.

Where does it say in Scripture that fallen angels can not be redeemed .

What scripture does say , 1/3 of the angels fell . Then in Rev it says , Satan and his followers will go to hell .
We dont know what will transpire between the time where 1/3 fell , and what is left of the followers going to hell .

I had always thought it curious in scripture , when the demons are pleading with Jesus . " Are you here to judge us before our time " and in each instance with a possessed person , Jesus shows mercy to the demons .

So a few things are outstanding , 1) they have not yet been judged . 2) the Mercy of Jesus 3) the exact number is unknown , only Satans followers . 4) not recieving final judgement with Jesus mercy implies , there could be salvation for fallen angels as well .

The bottom line , scriptures just are not clear enough to condemn . If we are the followers of Jesus , then we also should follow in the steps of Jesus by showing mercy instead of telling God what He can or can not do.

 

[Dave M]

Where does it say in Scripture that fallen angels can not be redeemed .

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

MATTHEW 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Hebrews 2:16: [16] "For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham."-------not giving help to the fallen angels in context would imply they do not get a saviour like we do.

 

[Bill]

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

MATTHEW 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Hebrews 2:16: [16] "For assuredly He does not give help to angels, but He gives help to the descendant of Abraham."-------not giving help to the fallen angels in context would imply they do not get a saviour like we do.

It still doesn't say that a fallen angel cannot be redeemed. Scripture tells us to be like Jesus Jesus teaches us to love with our hearts scripture tells us to be our Brother's Keeper. And who are our brothers is it only human I say that our brothers are also any being that created by God. I know this to be true as I've already stood before the father with a fallen angel and spoke on his behalf. Saying to God the father if his sin is so great give it to me and I will take his place the father took the Fallen Angel sometime later that angel was renewed is Angel of the most high. Since that time I've done the same with many many who are fallen angels. Jesus taught us the show Mercy to the fall so that is what I am doing

 

[KingJ]

Hi Brothers and sisters,

So here's my question; Jesus tells us to love our enemies (satan is the enemy). Does that mean we should love pagans, evildoers, the wicked and satan and his emmiseries?

Thanks guys.

Yes

We see scripture that says we must love our enemies John 5:44, we know that God is not a hypocrite. We also see scripture showing how God interacts with the devil and demons.

Take the demons cast into pigs as an example. He honoured their request and did not show any hatred to them. They too did not shout accusations of wrong doing or hatred by Jesus. Would Nero honor any request of a Christian?

When Jesus is tempted in the wilderness, he shows respect to the devil in that He responded to his temptations on not one, but three occasions. Then politely ended the conversation. Would Nero ever entertain a discussion as such from a Christian?

Then the million dollar scripture, God is love 1 John 4:7. There is no scripture that says He is a mix of love and hate. He is light with no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5.

Many make the terrible mistake of assuming He hates a creation because He hates a sin. He hates sin, He does not hate creation. To prove hate for a creation you have to prove actions of hatred.

Hatred would imply torture, demeaning words, mockery, insults and such.

As such anyone who even comes close to suggesting God hates anyone has missed the mark by a galaxy.

There is nothing righteous about hatred in any form and our God is righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17.

 

[KingJ]

Where does it say in Scripture that fallen angels can not be redeemed .

What scripture does say , 1/3 of the angels fell . Then in Rev it says , Satan and his followers will go to hell .
We dont know what will transpire between the time where 1/3 fell , and what is left of the followers going to hell .

I had always thought it curious in scripture , when the demons are pleading with Jesus . " Are you here to judge us before our time " and in each instance with a possessed person , Jesus shows mercy to the demons .

So a few things are outstanding , 1) they have not yet been judged . 2) the Mercy of Jesus 3) the exact number is unknown , only Satans followers . 4) not recieving final judgement with Jesus mercy implies , there could be salvation for fallen angels as well .

The bottom line , scriptures just are not clear enough to condemn . If we are the followers of Jesus , then we also should follow in the steps of Jesus by showing mercy instead of telling God what He can or can not do.

If angels would repent, God would be the first to make the most of it. No doubt or disagreement there!

There is no such thing as a perfect angel. Jesus makes it clear that only God is good Mark 10:18. Paul says we will judge angels in heaven 1 Cor 6:3.

So, there is clearly a separation of angels in sin that we need to understand.

If we look at God's wrath on mankind, we see it comes after many warnings, after He is convinced the people are 'sold out' to sin.

So for me, the evidence points to the fallen angels crossing a line of no return. It is not within them to ever want to truly repent and turn from sin. God does not make the mistake of casting a being out of heaven that would one day want to repent. If He did, it would be partiality as Jesus / salvation is given to all mankind that repents. God is impartial Acts 10:34. Partiality is wicked, God is not wicked.

We will judge angels in heaven, because those angels God can still work with. They will still repent and try make right their wrongs.

It is pretty much the same with humans. Angels and humans are not that different I believe. So in conclusion we could say that fallen angels are cast out of heaven for all eternity for the same reason humans are sent to hell with them for all eternity. Namely John 3:19 ''they reject the light because they love the darkness''.

 

[Sue D.]

The angelic world is very different than the world of humans. Do you believe what the Bible teaches?

 

[KingJ]

The angelic world is very different than the world of humans. Do you believe what the Bible teaches?

There is not a big difference between us and angels. The bible makes that clear.

We are created a ''little'' beneath them Heb 2:7.

 

[Sue D.]

@KingJ -- yes a 'liitle' lower does mean Lower -- Not the same. Some people believe that when we die -- we become angels -- but we don't. Angels have their various jobs -- we are human beings.

 

[B-A-C]

[NASB]
Rev 3:9; 'Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.

[KJV]
Rev 3:9; Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Those of the church of Satan... who say they are Jews... ( a lot could be said about who these people are ) but Jesus says He will make them bow at our feet.
Some people interpret the King James to say they will worship us at our feet.
But the point here is.... Jesus will "make them know that I have loved you".

So then the inference here seems to be, Jesus loves some people, but perhaps not all people.
Jesus loves sinners yes... but does He love those who reject Him, and keep rejecting Him until it's too late?

 

[Brad Huber]

Does a good earthly father still love his child when his child does evil things? He may despise what the child does, but he remembers the innocent happy child in his early years before his heart twisted and loves and misses that child.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Does God love Satan....Here is the best answer you can ever expect....I don't know....Ask Him. He'll tell you the way it is.

 

[Bill]

Does God love Satan....Here is the best answer you can ever expect....I don't know....Ask Him. He'll tell you the way it is.

I already know the answer . I dont need to ask the Father . I know God . God Loves all His children . All the Angels are also Gods children

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I already know the answer . I dont need to ask the Father . I know God . God Loves all His children . All the Angels are also Gods children

How does a loving God hate? I think He probably does not. But I also think He set that Love aside to take care of the problem.

 

[Bill]

How does a loving God hate? I think He probably does not. But I also think He set that Love aside to take care of the problem.

It depends on the usage, and could be a translation error.

God does not hate people , but God does hate sin . ( Sin is created when a person "Chooses" to do something they know is against God's Will )
Scripture states , " God is Love " ,
Even when God disciplines , He still does it in love, even if we can't see it that way.

 

[Brad Huber]

It depends on the usage, and could be a translation error.

God does not hate people , but God does hate sin . ( Sin is created when a person "Chooses" to do something they know is against God's Will )
Scripture states , " God is Love " ,
Even when God disciplines , He still does it in love, even if we can't see it that way.

Malachi 1:1-3 The pronouncement of the word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi:
2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was Esau not Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and given his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.”

 

[Bill]

Malachi 1:1-3 The pronouncement of the word of the Lord to Israel through Malachi:
2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have You loved us?” “Was Esau not Jacob’s brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob; 3 but I have hated Esau, and I have made his mountains a desolation and given his inheritance to the jackals of the wilderness.”

Esau became sin, by rendering the Gift of God as meaningless. Esau dismissed the Word of God to satisfy himself