Is Jesus really God?

[Strypes]

The old testament passage that the religious leaders knew so well was Daniel chapter 7 verses 7:13-14 and 7:27.

 

[Strypes]

Matthew 26:64
64 Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." 65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, "He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!

Mark 14:62-64
62 Jesus said, "I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven." 63 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "What further need do we have of witnesses? 64 You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?" And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death

Daniel 7:13-14
13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. 14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:27
Then the kingdom and dominion, And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven, Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High. His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.'

: )

 

[SpiritLedEd]

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yeah this is the interesting thing that There's Father and son but only one God.

something little difficult for us to understand.

But there's one throne of God also and Jesus is sitting on it.

So God who came on earth were obedient as son and submitted under Father. Yet is now back in heaven.
hard to understand but like i always say its just possible for God to be in multiple places in same time.

"When a Russian cosmonaut returned from space and reported that he had not found God, C. S. Lewis responded that this was like Hamlet going into the attic of his castle looking for Shakespeare. If there is a God, he wouldn't be another object in the universe that could be put in a lab and analyzed with empirical methods. He would relate to us in the way a playwright relates to the characters in his play. We (characters) might be able to know quite a lot about the olaywright, but only to the degree that the author chooses to put information about himself in the play."
Timothy Keller
The Reason For God - pg 126

"'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,' declares the Lord.
'As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.'" (Is 55:8-9)


SLE

 

[amanhumblinhart]

Jesus

Jesus quite consistently said, "I come in my fathers name."

when i was in the navy the captain of the ship upon arriving or departing would be announced over the MC. He had a name given by his mother but they never said, "John James" arriving but rather said "Warden" arriving.

his name was not Warden.

the ship was named the USS Warden.

they announced his arrival or departure by the name of that which was greater than him.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

I find the late JB Watson's writings very accurate

The truth of the Incarnation is that God has become Man in Jesus Christ. It is not that at some time in His earthly course Jesus Christ became God. He was ever God and did not, yea could not, cease to be God when He became Man. He took up Manhood into His Deity, and, ceasing not to be what He had ever been, beacme in humiliation what He had never before been.....

..... True God, Perfect Man, One Christ. In Him deity and humanity are indivisibly united, unconfusedly distinct. May His Name be praised for ever.


But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thopusands of Judah, yet of of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel: whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting
Micah 5:2

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Jesus quite consistently said, "I come in my fathers name."

when i was in the navy the captain of the ship upon arriving or departing would be announced over the MC. He had a name given by his mother but they never said, "John James" arriving but rather said "Warden" arriving.

his name was not Warden.

the ship was named the USS Warden.

they announced his arrival or departure by the name of that which was greater than him.

Excellent example and observation and something I would not have known had you not mentioned it.
Thanks

 

[jari]

theres not question of is Jesus God's son. the marvelling thing is He also claims equality with God.


(Joh 14:9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Jesus thinks that while Father is greater than He we don't need to see Him.
If we have seen Jesus.

 

[hope-i-make-it]

Is Jesus really God

Yes Jesus really is God. Isaiah 9vs6 tells us that the child that is born is the mighty God, the everlasting father. The Old Testament tells us God is the Alpha and Omega, the New Testament tells us that Jesus is the Alpha And Omega how can this be unless Jesus is God.

 

[amanhumblinhart]

Not true

theres not question of is Jesus God's son. the marvelling thing is He also claims equality with God.


(Joh 14:9) Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Jesus thinks that while Father is greater than He we don't need to see Him.
If we have seen Jesus.

That is not what he was intimating at all for you cut the text off and did not print the defining statement, namely:

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

What Jesus was saying is not, "you don't need to see the father if you have seen me", but rather, "If you have seen me you have seen the father."

And if you think it was Jesus himself saying that you would also be mistaken for he said in the first person, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?"

 

[caprice09]

Does God ask us to perform that which He would/could not Himself? Does God "say and do not?" Hence God and His Word are one! The Word being an expression of the "abundance of the heart" of God, and God fulfilling by Example His Word. Righteousness is proven by this fellowship and bond, as though of a Father and Son (the son being the likeness and image of the Father much like a physical son resembles his parents; but as God is Spirit, the likeness is spiritual also). Hence through the life laid down in humility (if the gospel of grace is the ministry of the Son, such has to be true of the Father, and always has been and will be) of the Father are we given the Son, and through the laying down of His life (by commandment of the Father Jesus said He did this) are we given the Spirit (you can argue later whether it was Jesus Himself that imparted the Spirit through breathing on the disciples after resurrection or the Father gave the Spirit after the ascension of Jesus). The Spirit is said to make known the words and actions of Jesus and give an accurate testimony of Him (even as Christ is Faithful in His expression of the Father).

The entire argument is was Jesus "God with us" or the example of the church; God or man! Can God not do both? "Is anything too hard for the LORD?"

The name God itself is plural. Is this by accident? Is scripture divinely written or not?

Did God rest His entire ministry upon a man of flesh and blood (didn't work out so well with Adam...Did God need to try again as if His works were not perfect)? Did He leave His minstry, kingdom, righteousness, and our salvation to chance? Or is the Son the manifestation of the works and will of the Father? Wherein God knew the heart of Jesus, because it was the expression of His own (as a seed sown must reap fruit according to the seed!). And as Christ is to the Father, so the Spirit is pertaining to Christ; united in harmony and peace of the heritage and example of the gospel of grace!

You then who are called the Temple of the Holy Spirit are to follow the precedant of children of God, following the Example in Christ, even as He is the perfect expression of the Father.

 

[Boanerges]

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Here we have the Father calling the Son ho'Theos or Most High God, who am I to argue?

 

[Green Berean]

We can debate languages all we want, but when the Pharisees accused Jesus of blasphemy by claiming to be the Son of God (heresy is false doctrine; blasphemy is direct slander against God) and attempted to stone Him, I find it hard to believe that Jesus established some sort of in-between rank when literally everybody who heard Him understood those words to be a claim to claim divinity. If all of this is a big misunderstanding, then Jesus must have been confused, too, because He accepted worship from Thomas after the holes-in-the-hand incident, going so far as to not correct Thomas when the disciple called Jesus, "My Lord and my God."

 

[amanhumblinhart]

My Lord and my God.

We can debate languages all we want, but when the Pharisees accused Jesus of blasphemy by claiming to be the Son of God (heresy is false doctrine; blasphemy is direct slander against God) and attempted to stone Him, I find it hard to believe that Jesus established some sort of in-between rank when literally everybody who heard Him understood those words to be a claim to claim divinity. If all of this is a big misunderstanding, then Jesus must have been confused, too, because He accepted worship from Thomas after the holes-in-the-hand incident, going so far as to not correct Thomas when the disciple called Jesus, "My Lord and my God."

upon the high priest joshua the lord commanded a crown be placed upon his head, thus signifying and foreshadowing that jesus was priest and king.

jesus's father is the greatest and is the king of all kings.

philip says to jesus, shew us the father...".

came the reply, "have i been so long time with you and you do not know me?"

if god is a spirit and god is holy then who is the holy spirit?

My lord and my god.

the Lord jesus christ and his father in him.

who would not bow before the son of god... men bow before the sons of kings.

did not jesus say, "i and my father will come and sup with him"? or I and my father are one.

I and my father.

 

[stephen]

no offense meant, this is a question i read someplace else. care to answer?

"Is Jesus really God? Did he actually claim to be God? Is there any room for ambiguity?"

As a Gentleman and Gospel preacher, having met Jesus, way back.......your question is an enigma. Ambiguity?...... You are the clown!

There is no douibt.......He....the Master said "Seek and you will find..........ect

Get looking......

 

[Green Berean]

humbleinhart, I'm not sure that I understood what you're trying to say. Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily; that body (flesh) submits to the will of the Father; when murdered, that body was resurrected by the Holy Spirit. I'm not sure why people feel the need to argue it beyond that.

 

[Michelle71]

There is an order in the kingdom of God. God did not incarnate his whole being into flesh like the Egyptians thought that Pharoah was the actual embodiment of RA.

Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. The Word of God was with God in the beginning.

1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

Jesus is going to give all back to the Father after Jesus accomplishes everything the Father has ordained for Him.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Jesus is not the God above all gods, that position is only His Father's position. Jesus is King above all kings. God His Father has given Him all authority of the godhead, but the
God above all is still there, He is not His only begotten Son. That is Jesus' postition.

We are at the right hand of Jesus. His spirit indwells all those who are redeemed, but that does not make us Jesus! That makes us co-heirs with Jesus. We are with Christ just
as Christ is with His Father, the pre-incarnate Jesus, who is/was the Word of God was with God from the beginning.

 

[faithfulservant]

There is no room for ambiguity. The Pharisees claimed He was blaspheming because in their culture to claim you were the "Son of God" was to literally declare you were God.

Additionally, Paul makes it clear that one thing that sets Jesus apart from all others who "ascended" to Heaven was He "descended" from Heaven. God came down to set His creation free:

Ephesians 4

“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”[a]

9 ( In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? 10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he mightfill all things.)

 

[Michelle71]

There is no ambiguity.

Here's what is said in the dictionary about what ancient Hebrews believed. Sorry cant post the link as I don't have enough posts for that.

Fundamentally, Judaism believes that God, as the creator of time, space, energy and matter, is beyond them, and cannot be born or die, or literally have a son. Judaism teaches that it is heretical for any man to claim to be God, part of God, or the literal son of God. The Jerusalem Talmud (Ta'anit2:1)states explicitly: "if a man claims to be God, he is a liar."

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, not God Himself. That is what was heretical.

 

[amanhumblinhart]

that is not how the scripture declares it for it tells you plainly they wanted to kill him because he made himself EQUAL to god, not because he made himself god.

i can be equal to my father in all ways yet I am not my father.

i can be equal to many things but that does not make me that thing nor would I be saying it.

to say, "i am equal to my father", is not to say, "I am my father".

I was gonna post the following as a reply to Mr. GreenBerean but I'll just put it here instead.

Is Jesus God?

Am I my body? No, my body is a vessel for the real me, like a car is a vessel for my body. Before god breathed into Adam’s nostrils he was not alive, there was just a body, no filling. Jesus, the word of god, was in the body prepared for him and god baptized him in the holy spirit. Did god baptize himself? No, that would be silly, the Father baptized his son.

Are you and your son the same person? But you and your son could be considered to be one, no? If someone were to attack or disrespect your son would you not feel it also? If a king sends his son to a far country and they treat him poorly will not that king go and destroy that nation and that king?

It is written, “I have said, ye are gods”. The people of Israel were gods - god said so - but were they “god”? No, but they should have been one with god. Jesus explained this very well in John 5:19 – 31.

The Pharisees did not seek to kill him because he made HIMSELF god but because, as it is written, he made himself EQUAL to god.

God prepared his word a body and then sacrificed that body, sacrificed his word, put it to death on a tree being cursed. What was his word up to that point? The law and prophets wrote what the word of god spoke to them!

Did he not say he would bring a curse upon that people if they did not turn from their ways?

Did he not say, “And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”

I wonder why there is such a thrust to return to the name that was made a curse?

Jesus is his name… “I have come in my father’s name!”

As for Thomas exclaiming, “my lord AND my god”, it was because he finally realized that not only was the word of god in the body but so too the Father himself.

 

[B-A-C]

that is not how the scripture declares it for it tells you plainly they wanted to kill him because he made himself EQUAL to god, not because he made himself god.
to say, "i am equal to my father", is not to say, "I am my father".

Is Jesus God?

Am I my body? No, my body is a vessel for the real me, like a car is a vessel for my body. Before god breathed into Adam’s nostrils he was not alive, there was just a body, no filling. Jesus, the word of god, was in the body prepared for him and god baptized him in the holy spirit. Did god baptize himself? No, that would be silly, the Father baptized his son.

Are you and your son the same person? But you and your son could be considered to be one, no? If someone were to attack or disrespect your son would you not feel it also? If a king sends his son to a far country and they treat him poorly will not that king go and destroy that nation and that king?

It is written, “I have said, ye are gods”. The people of Israel were gods - god said so - but were they “god”? No, but they should have been one with god. Jesus explained this very well in John 5:19 – 31.

The Pharisees did not seek to kill him because he made HIMSELF god but because, as it is written, he made himself EQUAL to god.

God prepared his word a body and then sacrificed that body, sacrificed his word, put it to death on a tree being cursed. What was his word up to that point? The law and prophets wrote what the word of god spoke to them!

Did he not say he would bring a curse upon that people if they did not turn from their ways?

Did he not say, “And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”

I wonder why there is such a thrust to return to the name that was made a curse?

Jesus is his name… “I have come in my father’s name!”

As for Thomas exclaiming, “my lord AND my god”, it was because he finally realized that not only was the word of god in the body but so too the Father himself.

So Jesus is cursed and bringing a curse upon us? The savior of the world? Really? The pharisee were right and Jesus was wrong?
When we are talking about God (capital G) and gods (lower case G) it is very important to put the correct one.
First your quote of Isaiah 65:15 is taken out of context... The name being cursed here is the Israelites that turned away from God (Isa 65:1-14) not Jesus' name.
In John 10:34, we are called gods (lower case G) as in lesser to god.
In John 20:28 Thomas called Jesus God (upper case G) as in most high God.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

As for Jesus merely being "like the father" or "like a God", he was God-like enough to create all of the heavens and the earth.
Col 1:16; John 1:3; John 1:10 - that's pretty God like. In fact I would say it is God.
Jesus' name itself means GOD with us.
Matt 1:23; Isa 7:14; Isa 9:6