Is Jesus really God?

B-A-C · Jun 23, 2012

amanhumblinhart said:
that is not how the scripture declares it for it tells you plainly they wanted to kill him because he made himself EQUAL to god, not because he made himself god.
to say, "i am equal to my father", is not to say, "I am my father".

Is Jesus God?

Am I my body? No, my body is a vessel for the real me, like a car is a vessel for my body. Before god breathed into Adam’s nostrils he was not alive, there was just a body, no filling. Jesus, the word of god, was in the body prepared for him and god baptized him in the holy spirit. Did god baptize himself? No, that would be silly, the Father baptized his son.

Are you and your son the same person? But you and your son could be considered to be one, no? If someone were to attack or disrespect your son would you not feel it also? If a king sends his son to a far country and they treat him poorly will not that king go and destroy that nation and that king?

It is written, “I have said, ye are gods”. The people of Israel were gods - god said so - but were they “god”? No, but they should have been one with god. Jesus explained this very well in John 5:19 – 31.

The Pharisees did not seek to kill him because he made HIMSELF god but because, as it is written, he made himself EQUAL to god.

God prepared his word a body and then sacrificed that body, sacrificed his word, put it to death on a tree being cursed. What was his word up to that point? The law and prophets wrote what the word of god spoke to them!

Did he not say he would bring a curse upon that people if they did not turn from their ways?

Did he not say, “And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:”

I wonder why there is such a thrust to return to the name that was made a curse?

Jesus is his name… “I have come in my father’s name!”

As for Thomas exclaiming, “my lord AND my god”, it was because he finally realized that not only was the word of god in the body but so too the Father himself.

So Jesus is cursed and bringing a curse upon us? The savior of the world? Really? The pharisee were right and Jesus was wrong?
When we are talking about God (capital G) and gods (lower case G) it is very important to put the correct one.
First your quote of Isaiah 65:15 is taken out of context... The name being cursed here is the Israelites that turned away from God (Isa 65:1-14) not Jesus' name.
In John 10:34, we are called gods (lower case g) as in lesser to god.
In John 20:28 Thomas called Jesus God (upper case G) as in most high God.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

As for Jesus merely being "like the father" or "like a God", he was God-like enough to create all of the heavens and the earth.
Col 1:16; John 1:3; John 1:10 ; that's pretty God like. In fact I would say it is God.
Jesus' name itself means GOD with us. (upper case G)
Matt 1:23; Isa 7:14; Isa 9:6

caprice09 · Jun 23, 2012

Jesus is not the Body of God....we are! "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

Is it really so hard to understand? Adam did not come directly from God, but the Word and breath of God did! "For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches." If Jesus was anything less than "God with us" then either we are yet in our sins, or mankind has the power and ability to save himself and should have fulfilled the law without the need of sacrifice.

Jesus did not claim to be God as if the Father dwelling in Him left heaven empty, for then who spoke from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Hence the need to decipher the trinity: the Father unmovable from His kingdom, the Son that makes manifest the "abundance of the heart" of the Father, and the Spirit that testifies of Christ. Thus God is as a perpetual geneology (not unlike Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob from which all the people of Israel sprang forth), manifested in Christ, "the Word made flesh." Christ is no less than God even as the Spirit is no less than God. The distinction of the Father is He who preceeded all else, for even the Word and Spirit "proceeded forth and came from God." Though the Word and Spirit existed before their manifestation, it is as though within the loins of the Father. "And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him."

Michelle71 · Jun 23, 2012

caprice09 said:
Jesus is not the Body of God....we are! "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

Is it really so hard to understand? "For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches." If Jesus was anything less than "God with us" then either we are yet in our sins, or mankind has the power and ability to save himself and should have fulfilled the law without the need of sacrifice.

Jesus did not claim to be God as if the Father dwelling in Him left heaven empty, for then who spoke from heaven saying "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Hence the need to decipher the trinity: the Father unmovable from His kingdom, the Son that makes manifest the "abundance of the heart" of the Father, and the Spirit that testifies of Christ. Thus God is as a perpetual geneology (not unlike Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob from which all the people of Israel sprang forth), manifested in Christ, "the Word made flesh." Christ is no less than God even as the Spirit is no less than God. The distinction of the Father is He who preceeded all else, for even the Word and Spirit "proceeded forth and came from God." Though the Word and Spirit existed before their manifestation, it is as though within the loins of the Father. "And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him."

That was explained well. Only I see it as the Son is indeed less than the Father. Jesus said, there is one greater than I. Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Jesus bodily went to His Father. He did not go unto Himself.

I see the Father and the Holy Spirit as being one and the same. This passage shows how the Father and Son dwell in those who are redeemed by the Holy Spirit, who is God.

1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
1Jn 4:13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
1Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

As Jesus is, so are we in this world. Not due to anything of our own nature, but because of what the Father did through His only begotten Son. Because the same Holy Spirit dwells in us,
the Father, and the Son dwell in us, does not make us either The God, nor does it make us The Son, it makes us sons of God.

Green Berean · Jun 23, 2012

The "Heaven of heavens" cannot contain God (as Solomon said), yet Jesus is "the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (as Paul said). The Father is too big for Heaven, and Earth is merely His footstool. It is for this reason that we can only know the Father through the Son. It is for this reason that while any other religion can have a basic understanding of the Creator, it would still fail to save anybody. Were it not for the Son, the Father would be unknowable to any person not part of the Divine.
It is for this reason that I often find that people who so firmly insist "JESUS IS NOT GOD!" do not have more than a one-dimensional and surface understanding of just who and what God is. It is often useful, then, when one reaches such an impasse to go back to square one and figure out just what is being discussed. For some people, God is the first cause of everything. For others, He's a powerful guy who controls everything. However, there is so much more to God than His sovereignty and His power; there is more to any king than just his crown. Muslims are the usual victims, but sadly some Christians fall into it, as well. ,
Speaking of Muslims, even though they teach that Jesus was sinless (they refer to Jesus as "the Perfect Prophet"), they adamantly refuse to call Jesus the Son of God. They insist that God is in no way a Father. This is because even they understand that if God has a Son, then that Son would also be God.

Furious_Love · Jun 23, 2012

Scriptural analysis is so important in these discussions about the Deity of Jesus. My faith is simple. Jesus walked the earth some 2000 years ago and His footprint has never left us. He is an enigma and yet at the same time, the living God. It does sadden me that those who have never had the chance to encounter Him have missed out on something marvellous. (Matthew 11:27-30). Jesus reveals Himself to those who seek Him (Jeremiah 29:13). The individual will meet Him if they seek Him as it written and as it is also promised.

TouchTestimony there can be no ambiguity in the pantheos of deities that have come and gone. One will always stand as the one true ‘living’ God and that is Jesus. Amen.

faithfulservant · Jun 23, 2012

I don't go to the Talmud for truth. The only place you will find truth is the Bible and directly from God's Holy Spirit. The concept of the trinity is hard for us to understand because it's a spiritual mystery, and many people approach God's truths with their carnal thinking. Make no mistake, Jesus was God in flesh. You might say, "Well, there's the Father and He's the son." And I will repeat: The concept of the trinity is difficult to grasp because we approach it in our carnality and it's a mysterious spiritual truth.

But enough of what I have to say. Let's see what God has to say about who Jesus is (emphasis mine):

Exodus 3:13-14
13 Then Moses said to God, "If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?"
14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

John 8:56-59
56 Your father Abraham rejoicedthat he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.”57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[d]58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

John 10:30-33
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

Michelle71 · Jun 23, 2012

Only showed what the culture of the time believed with their own documents because the subject was brought up that they could only consider Jesus a heretic if he claimed to be God. That was not the full truth.

Let's look at some of the earlier things that Jesus said in that chapter.

Joh 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
Joh 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
Joh 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Of course Jesus was before Abraham. He was the word of God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

God worked through His Word for a craftsmen. That Word of God became flesh and dwelt among us. He is second in command after His Father. He is diety, but there is one greater than he is.

faithfulservant · Jun 23, 2012

Isaiah 9:6
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Boanerges · Jun 23, 2012

ByGraceAlone said:
Isaiah 9:6
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Amen x 10.

And again:

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

If the Father calls the Son Most High God (Ho' Theos) and He does, then who am I to argue with Him or attempt to substitute some other theology for what He has said. I will leave that to those who will by necessity have to ignore what He said, use scissors to cut out what He said, or forcefully stretch what is plainly written to fit some foreign interpretation. I will have to stick to the Word on this and can conceive of finding the truth no other way.

Green Berean · Jun 23, 2012

Astounding. Someone can read and quote John 1:1 yet still argue that the Word is not God while still maintaining that the verse is valid. That is quite the song and dance. That also means that there is nothing more to be said. Grace and peace to you, friend.

Michelle71 · Jun 23, 2012

Jesus was not called "Mighty God" or "Eternal Father" until AFTER his death, resurrection, and return to heaven. As Phil. 2:9 says: "For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name."

The word God in !saiah 9:6 is this one..

H410
אל
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): - God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in “-el.”

Not the name of the most High God, LORD above all.

Psa 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.

H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

Michelle71 · Jun 23, 2012

More astounding that one word in that chapter would trump the rest of the words in the entire chapter.

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Thayer in his Lexicon made this comment while interpreting the Greek of 1Jn 1:1c

"Joseph Henry Thayer, a theologian and scholar who worked on the American Standard Version, stated simply: "The Logos was divine, not the divine Being himself." Yes, whatever theological persuasion Thayer was, whether it was unitarian or trinitarian(or anything in between)this does not lessen him as a scholar who could understand the Greek of John 1:1c. In his day and even now, he is considered to be a respected scholar and theologian and it was for these reasons he was no doubt included on the translation team behind the American Standard Version. And it is for these reasons, namely, he being a well respected scholar, the Trinity brochure quoted him in its discussion of the meaning of the 3rd clause of John 1:1 where an anarthrous theos occurs sandwiched between two arthrous occurences of theos. This scholar could see that such a Greek construct in this context means that the theos in 1:1c makes the Word "divine" and not "God," not "the divine being himself" as many translations(such as the American Standard Version)erroneously translates. No wonder such persons as the writer we are quoting does not like it when a scholar supports a Jehovah's Witness understanding of a scripture. The writer of the web page that criticises so harshly the Trinity brochures' use of him is simply creating a 'red herring'!

found within this article..(sorry cant post links)..

Seems this red herring is still being used today against those who hold the same understanding as a respected theologeon.

faithfulservant · Jun 23, 2012

Father God has many, many names. And you're arguments are convoluted. I am going to ask you a very simple question, Michelle: Are you a member of the Jehovah's Witness church?

God called Himself the First and the Last in both the Old Testament and the New Testament:

Isaiah 44:6
6 Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
“I am the first and I am the last;
besides me there is no god.

Revelation 1:12-18
12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15 his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

caprice09 · Jun 23, 2012

Green Berean..awesome post. I also like the "worthy" centurion's speech (at which Jesus "marvelled"),"Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed."

And why would the Son of God marvel or be surprised. Because the faith of this outsider was more logical and honorable than Israel after all the many gracious deliverences of the LORD. Is it possible that a Gentile could reverence the Word of God more than the Jews?

A post earlier said that a son does not carry our fathers name upon us...all humanity is called mankind (after the likeness of man; Adam. Or the nation of Israel, literally the decendants of Jacob later named Israel). How then is there any difference in the Son of God? To say that He is not God is to say He is not God's Son (for the fruit must be after the likeness of the seed sown). The spirtual likeness between the Father, who is Spirit, and the Son is perfect; wherein Jesus may well say He and the Father are one. But the very fact He refers to God as a seperate person to whom He is subject in word and deed proves a lineage within the trinity (which is why after all things are brought under Christ, so too Christ subjects Himself and all that is of Him and in Him unto the Father. 1 Cor 15:22-28). For Christ comes not in His own name, was "sent" by the Father (all consistant with the Example He sets to the church who is commissioned to testify and minister in His name), so also the Spirit comes because Jesus goes unto the Father, and will testify and glorify Christ.

Think of Christ, "the express image of His person," as a concave lens bringing into clarity the world vastly beyond our vision. The impossible things to know of God are made manifest in the flesh, that we may know them, having "handled" them ourselves. Through which God is made real to us, not as a figment of imagination, but made manifest before our very eyes. "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

faithfulservant · Jun 23, 2012

You want to appeal to a human authority, this is more than problematic when searching for truth. All knowledge and wisdom are found only in one place: Jesus Christ.

Collosians 2:1-4
For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, 2 thattheir hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

Michelle71 · Jun 23, 2012

There comes the red herring. No I'm not JW, not Mormon, not unitarian, not anything other than a born again Christian who believes this..

I believe in God the Father Almighty maker of Heaven and Earth. And in His only begotten Son, our Lord. Who was born of the Virgin Mary and became man.
He suffered under Pontious Pilot, was crucified, died and buried. He decended into hell and trumped all principalities, and authorities. He rose again on the
third day. After 40 days of ministering in this earth, He ascended into heaven where He is sat at the right hand side of God, His Father who is The God of
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Anyone who would come to the Father must go through His Son, Jesus Christ, who is the price paid for sins. He is the only
righteousness. Any who believe on him will not perish, but have eternal life. This same Jesus, who is the Word of God read in Revelations, will come again
in Glory. After He has put all His enemies under His feet, He will offer the kingdom up to God is Father.

I worship my God above all gods. He is the only one who I am redeemed back to through my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who I praise and thank each day
for His sacrifice, His endurance of the cross while I was yet a sinner. I am saved by grace through faith, for there is no way this flesh could ever be good
enough for my God to look upon.

faithfulservant · Jun 23, 2012

Michelle71 said:
There comes the red herring.

It appears you're denying the deity of Christ, and internet forums are a perfect place for someone to push lies about Jesus. So don't be indignant because I question your potential denominational leanings.

I've discerned a contentious spirit about you since you started posting weeks ago, and that hasn't changed. If you declare that Jesus was not God, you deny the deity of Christ. Wrap it up any way you like, it's antichrist.

faithfulservant · Jun 23, 2012

Father God is one. He is the only one we should worship, Jesus declares as much. And yet, Jesus received worship from man. Imagine that! If Jesus wasn't God, why wouldn't He warn people to stop worshiping Him like the angel who warned John in the Book of Revelation? Or the apostles when the Greeks thought they were gods because of the power manifesting in their ministry? Or when Cornelius tried to worship Peter in Acts?

There is only one conclusion to draw: Jesus was God in flesh. Here are the prooftexts to back this up:

Matthew 4:10
10 Then Jesus said to him, "Be gone, Satan! For it is written, "'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.'"

Matthew 2
11 And going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 14
33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God."

Matthew 28
9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, "Greetings!" And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.

17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.

Luke 24
52 And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

John 9
38 He said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him.

Matthew 2
2 saying, "Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him."

Hebrews 1
6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."

Revelation 22
3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him.

faithfulservant · Jun 23, 2012

What more proof do you need than to hear Father God Himself call Jesus God!?

Hebrews 1:1-14
Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. 3 He is the radiance of the glory of God andthe exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son,
today I have begotten you”?

Or again,
“I will be to him a father,
and he shall be to me a son”?

6 And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God's angels worship him.”

7 Of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels winds,
and his ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But of the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”

10 And,
“You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning,
and the heavens are the work of your hands;
11 they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment,
12 like a robe you will roll them up,
like a garment they will be changed.[a]
But you are the same,
and your years will have no end.”

13 And to which of the angels has he ever said,
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent out to serve for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?

Michelle71 · Jun 23, 2012

No where has there been a denial of the deity of Christ. He has all the power of the Godhead. He is worthy to be praised and worshiped for God has given him all authority.

Now, for someone to be antichrist they have to deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and is the Son of God. Anyone who would fail that test needs to be prayed for. The faith
that the apostles had are what every Christian needs to take a hard look at because the time is coming where a one world religion will be knocking on the door. This oneness
doctrine is leading many down the wrong path with the rod of fear that if anyone looks hard at their beliefs to make sure they are of the faith will end up riding at cult down the
river of fire into hell is not true.

Every single person who is redeemed is instructed to contend for the faith.

Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
Jud 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Now, you can go down the road of thinking like the Buddhists if you want, but for me, I am going to confess what Mary confessed, and what Christ Himself said.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

When I stand before my Lord, I will know Him, and I will know His Father who sent Him. That is enough.

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