Is Jesus really God?

Michelle71 · Jun 25, 2012

::PreciousinChrist:: said:
Yes Jesus is God.

1 Tim 3:16 proves it !

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

God bless you

I am not able to post links yet, but here is a quote..

Reproduced below is the text of 1 Timothy 3:16–4:3 from Codex A, as presented in the photographic facsimile volume published by the British Museum in 1879. Of particular interest here is the reading in 3:16, where it may be seen that the manuscript reads ΘC "God was manifested in the flesh," employing the usual abbreviation ΘC for ΘEOC, with a stroke over the letters to indicate an abbreviation. However, textual critics believe that the ink in the center of the Θ and the stroke above were added by a corrector in modern times. Reasons for this belief are the color of the ink, and the fact that a "dot" has been placed in the Θ instead of a line. Tregelles writes, "The ink in which this has been done in A is sufficiently modern and black to declare its recent application" (An Account of the Printed Text of the Greek New Testament, London, 1854). Without these marks, the manuscript originally read ΟC "He who was manifested in the flesh." In the photograph below the ΘC in 3:16 is circled. Further down, in verse 4:3, there is another ΘC circled for comparison. Click on the circled areas for a larger view.

bible-researcher.com/alexandrinus4.html

faithfulservant · Jun 25, 2012

Michelle71 said:
I am not able to post links yet, but here is a quote..

bible-researcher.com/alexandrinus4.html

Michelle, you seem to really respect the authority of men when coming to these scriptures. When we come to God, and His Word, like a little child, His power manifests mightily. The Pharisees and Saducees were too wrapped up in straining out gnats that they were oblivious to the camels they were swallowing. This is why they didn't even recognize God when He stood before them in flesh.

Stickz · Jun 25, 2012

TouchTestimony: no offense meant, this is a question i read someplace else. care to answer?

"Is Jesus really God? Did he actually claim to be God? Is there any room for ambiguity?"

Is Jesus really God? Yes.
Is Jesus the Father? No.

TouchTestimony, why are you always asking questions and then never participating in the conversation/debate? What do you think? Surely you've read some from the Bible, right? What is your take on it?

Michelle71 · Jun 26, 2012

ByGraceAlone said:
Michelle, you seem to really respect the authority of men when coming to these scriptures. When we come to God, and His Word, like a little child, His power manifests mightily. The Pharisees and Saducees were too wrapped up in straining out gnats that they were oblivious to the camels they were swallowing. This is why they didn't even recognize God when He stood before them in flesh.

Please look at the link. It shows the original Greek text of the passage in question. What better way to get to the truth than go back to the original document that was penned for the evidence. The original document is the one that was inspired by God, and God breathed.

::PreciousinChrist:: · Jun 26, 2012

ByGraceAlone said:
amen and amen

The Word of God is simple when you have the Holy Spirit in your life. Glory! Amen indeed.

::PreciousinChrist:: · Jun 26, 2012

Michelle71 said:
Please look at the link. It shows the original Greek text of the passage in question. What better way to get to the truth than go back to the original document that was penned for the evidence. The original document is the one that was inspired by God, and God breathed.

Dear Michelle,

It doesn't matter whether you read God's Word in Greek or in any language. All Scripture is God-breathed. 2 Tim 3:16
Afterall, the Lord is the Maker of all languages!

God bless

Michelle71 · Jun 27, 2012

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G5319
φανερόω
phaneroō
fan-er-o'-o
From G5318; to render apparent (literally or figuratively): - appear, manifestly declare, (make) manifest (forth), shew (self).

1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

God fordained Christ before the foundation of the world. Which means, Christ was with God, as the Word of God. It was Christ that was manifest in these last times. The reason is for faith and hope to be in God through Christ.

Eph 5:13

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But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Those who are redeemed to God through Christ, then manifest God’s light. That does not make us God, nor does it make us Christ. Just because something is manifested through a vessel does not make that vessel the thing that manifests through it.

2Co 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
2Co 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

Again supports what I just said.

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Jesus right there said that God was the only true God. That God sent Him.

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus had finished the work God gave Him. Joh17:5 is interesting right? Jesus is asking the Father to now glorify Him with the Fathers own self. With the glory Jesus had with God before the world was. Which indicates Jesus before he was flesh, was with God, not God Himself. The Word of God before he was made flesh.

Joh 17:6

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I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Jesus came out of God, and God sent him. Everything that Jesus had was given to him by God the Father, but the Father is still above all. He is still his own being, His own person. If not, then there are two Gods above all dwelling in the heavenlies, which of course is silly because Jesus says he prays to God his Father.

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

As powerful and strong, full of glory and honor that Jesus is, there is one that is GREATER in all of those things. Jesus will put all enemies under his feet. VS 27 states that everything will be put under his feet except the one who did put all things under him, which of course is God his Father.

So, if Jesus was with God from the foundations of the world, and all of these scriptures are true, then God through Christ did manifest Himself just as Christ through us is manifested. That does not mean there is not an order to the Kingdom of God.

God the Father
God’s Christ
The Redeemed in Christ

Look at who was prayed to here in this passage. Notice the words. These early apostles did not have the opinion that Jesus was God, that after the ascension he somehow morphed back into one with God. Their language keeps them as separate. One above the other in power and authority.

Act 4:25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?
Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

Against the Lord, and against his Christ. Two separate beings. Two separate functions.

Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Act 4:29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
Act 4:30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

God, Jesus Father, anointed Jesus. It is Jesus’ Father that these apostles were praying to, not to Jesus.
They asked the Father, God above all gods, the ability to speak His word, heal and perform signs and wonders THROUGH the name of His holy child Jesus. Again two separate beings.

Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

The confirmation that the prayers were honored by Jesus’ Father is that He sent the Holy Spirit upon them.

In conclusion, if Jesus was God incarnate, rather than the word of God incarnate, then those apostles would have been praying to Jesus for these things, not unto who they address as the Lord who was the God above all Gods, Jesus Father.

And yes, it does make a difference, especially when the truth is in question which bible is studied. If the interpretations we have do not agree, then the very best thing is to go back to the original. Which is the received text. The first person who wrote those words were inspiried and filled with the Spirit of God. Those are who are to be trusted above all. The original Greek manuscripts and original Hebrew when talking OT should be held in higher authority than any other copies of the scriptures that we have today.

If there are a million clones of the same sheep, and there is a discrepancy in if the eyes are supposed to be blue or brown, then the original is looked at for the truth.

faithfulservant · Jun 27, 2012

Michelle71 said:
Please look at the link. It shows the original Greek text of the passage in question. What better way to get to the truth than go back to the original document that was penned for the evidence. The original document is the one that was inspired by God, and God breathed.

I'm trying to share with you something the LORD has shown me. Mind you, I have a home library loaded with extrabiblical resources ranging from Christian history, word study resources, commentaries, etc, etc... In our foolishness, we can easily start pursuing something other than God in our search for wisdom and knowledge. We can easily start to rely upon ourselves or others for illumination of these wonderful truths more than we rely upon God. There are a million rabbit-holes to error, but only one path to truth: Jesus. There is a time and place for such research, but it always has to be, in my humble opinion, secondary to simply, and prayerfully, seeking God for His truth.

This is where following His Spirit is critical in our growth and maturation in the Lord. He knows exactly what we're ready to receive, and He has a special plan for teaching us that is personalized for our utmost growth in order to equip us for the works He ordained us for from the foundations. His plan is perfect.

Let me give you an example. When I was first born again I began to study the Bible all by myself. It was all new to me. I wasn't raised in a Christian environment. I had no idea what to do or how to do it, but I knew I could trust God completely. On my first go through I simply prayed for the LORD to guide me. One day, I clearly heard Him tell me to read the Book of Leviticus. I did so, then I began to wander off to other books on my own. Not long after, I clearly heard Him tell me to read Hebrews. Mind you, I had never read these books before. When I began to read Hebrews, and the Holy Spirit began teaching me about the priesthood and I could see the interconnectedness between the two books that makes the understanding of them so enriched, I was blown away. It was the kind of thing only someone who knows the Word of God intimately could guide you to do. It was then I knew the most important thing we can do when seeking wisdom and knowledge is to do so through prayer and diligent study of His Word.

Most people don't teach a couple of really important fundamental truths to new believers. It's like people insisting believers need to go to a Bible study or just go to a church. What would be more accurate would be to say that they need to get really, really close and intimate with the Lord through prayer and study of His word on their own. THEN, the Holy Spirit of God will guide them and prepare them. Could the Holy Spirit guide them to a particular Bible study, teacher, or teaching? YES! Will the Holy Spirit guide them to the right church? YES! But it's Jesus who is doing the leading at this point, and not our fleshly attempt to handle our own walk with Him.

In Hebrews it mentions "tasting the goodness of God's Word" as one of the experiences a mature Christian will have. I believe this means the power of laying hold of God's scriptures with deep faith and watching the truth manifest in your own life. I believe Christians will only taste this goodness if they lean on His Word with the utmost faith, and put no faith in their own abilities.

With all this in mind, let's consider a few simple, key scriptures. What does God say about learning from/of Him?

#1) All knowledge and wisdom are found in Christ Jesus. If we look for it elsewhere, we won't find it.

Colosians 2
1 For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God's mystery, which is Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

#2) Above all other things, we must recognize that Jesus is our ultimate Teacher/Rabbi

Matthew 23
8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.

10 Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

#3) We have been blessed with the anointing of God. That means we can search the mind of God ourselves when seeking truth!

1 Corinthians 2
9 But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"---
10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.
13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

1 John 2
27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie---just as it has taught you, abide in him.

#4) We can trust God's Word and His Spirit when we seek wisdom and knowledge from/of Him:

John 16
13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

Keep in mind, God's Word is the ultimate authority in all these things. But He's already declared how truths are established:

Matthew 18
16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed.

This is why on the mountain where Jesus was transfigured, God made sure there were two witnesses to establish the fact that Jesus was destined to fulfill the law and prophets:

Matthew 17
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
4 Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, "This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!"

We can trust that whatever truth we find in the scriptures there will be two or more scriptures that will establish this truth. And God's Word is pure, and I agree there are times we need to make sure that we've got the literal words from the original text. But, that is always secondary to trusting Him and His ability to teach us despite the errors of man. I don't make a habit of reading from "dynamic" version of the Bible for just such a reason. But I know that if that's the only Bible you have, get into it because God will impart His truth and wisdom despite the poor text. We don't rely upon man for anything, or we will surely end in error. We must be fully persuaded that God in His sovereignty and omnipotence will teach us everything we need to know.

faithfulservant · Jun 27, 2012

Michelle71 said:


And yes, it does make a difference, especially when the truth is in question which bible is studied. If the interpretations we have do not agree, then the very best thing is to go back to the original. Which is the received text. The first person who wrote those words were inspiried and filled with the Spirit of God. Those are who are to be trusted above all. The original Greek manuscripts and original Hebrew when talking OT should be held in higher authority than any other copies of the scriptures that we have today.

This is the very essence of the error you are in:

John 5
39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Michelle71 · Jun 27, 2012

Of course God will speak by His Spirit to those who will listen. The ultimate acid test is if what you are hearing lines up with the
written Word of God that was passed down to us from those who the Spirit of God inspired to write those texts.

The whole accusation that someone who believes the scriptures the way they were written, and actually studies these things out are not doing so with prayer, seeking the Lord and testing the spirit is unfounded at best.

::PreciousinChrist:: · Jun 29, 2012

The Bible is the written text done by men ( whom God chose) to get it in different languages and so on.
But the Word of God is hidden in the texts which only the Spirit of God will reveal to those who love God.

1 Corinthians 2:9-10

" But as it is written:
"Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him. But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God."

The Bible and the Word of God are two different things!

God bless you

caprice09 · Jun 29, 2012

The study of scriptural context is a tribute to the consistency of God, who cannot lie (contradict Himself). Believing this to be true of God's nature means that all the evidence of God's works and interventions must be reconciled together to make manifest an unchanging righteousness in God. God, as a God of righteous Judgment, cannot choose something out of partiality and favoritism (have respect of persons in judgment, as He taught man not to do), it must be by judgment and consistant in its fairness. However this level of righteous judgment may come naturally to God but not to us. Many things proven to line up in scripture are proven true only after a drastic move of God which took the people by surprise (not unlike the prophecies of the Messiah, fulfilled in Christ, crucified for blasphemy!). There is an arrogance in assuming the full intent of God is fathomed by man; the things which "proceeded forth and came from God" are "Spiritualy discrened," for "God is a Spirit!" The power of God, is His ability to communicate those things to us through His Word, made manifest in the flesh through Jesus Christ. "Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? ...Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me."

"With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."

brakelite · Jun 30, 2012

Jesus is declared not only to be the Son, but also a Prince, who is to receive a kingdom. The Kingdom is given to Him by His Father, as a reward for His self sacrifice. In human terms the prince of a King is a fully fledged member of the royal family, an heir to the throne, thus making him of the same essence as the father, the king, yet not yet of equal authority. In Jesus case however, all authority was given to Jesus as a gift in order for Him to carry out His mission, prior to His receiving of the kingdom. As an aside, it is of great wonder that we, as adopted children, are co-heirs with Christ and will rule with Him. What a privilege!

As far as our redemption is concerned, it was essential that One, with equal authority and of the same essence of the Father, be sacrificed on our behalf, for only One greater than the law, that is the giver of the law, can atone for its transgression, the law being eternal and a transcript of the character of the law-maker. No created being could atone for the transgression of the law, for they must all be subject to that same law. Only One above the law could satisfy its demands. A divine Person, ie Christ.

I can understand the confusion of some like Bro Mike, who see in the scriptures, correctly, a clear distinction between He who is described as God, and the Son of God, Jesus. This clear distinction, and our recognition of it, is a salvific matter. However, the inability to reconcile that distinction with the idea that the Son is equally divine with the Father, making both distinct persons at the same time 'God', is understandable. After all, this distinction, yet at the same time indivisibility, has been called a mystery since time began.

While there are several instances of Jesus' claim to divinity, one that stands out for me was His words to the Samaritan woman at the well.
In His desire to give her a true direction for her faith and worship, Jesus said:
"I am the resurrection and the Life." In Christ is LIFE, original, unborrowed, underived. Only God is truly and in every sense immortal. We can lay claim to immortality, but only in so much as it is a gift. In Christ, it is an integral part of His nature. "He that hath the Son hath LIFE."
The divinity, and the eternalness or immortality of Christ is the believers assurance of eternity, and his hope of a resurrection.

Another example, mentioned previously, which cannot be ignored, is Jesus clear and utterly profound statement to the gathered members of the rulers and common folk alike, "Before Abraham was, I AM." This name of God was given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence. Jesus was here claiming this name as His own. He was claiming to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel:

Ps 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Ps 103:17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children’s children;
Ps 106:48 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD.
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Finally, I will cite the following, and let all readers draw their own conclusions.

Re 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Re 1:11, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Re 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Re 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Romans 8.28 · Jul 1, 2012

Question. Who did John the Baptist in Matthew 3:3 come in the wilderness preaching of to come? Jesus, and the following verses tell us that Jesus is Jehovah.

Matthew 3:3. "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah, you people."

Isaiah 40:3. "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

Isaiah 43:10-11. ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior."

Acts 4:12. Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Isaiah 43:11 said there was no savior beside Jehovah, and this verse proclaims Jesus as that savior.

Is only Jesus God? NO!

::PreciousinChrist:: · Jul 1, 2012

Romans 8.28 said:
Question. Who did John the Baptist in Matthew 3:3 come in the wilderness preaching of to come? Jesus, and the following verses tell us that Jesus is Jehovah.

Matthew 3:3. "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah, you people."

Isaiah 40:3. "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

Isaiah 43:10-11. ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none. 11 "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior."

Acts 4:12. Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Isaiah 43:11 said there was no savior beside Jehovah, and this verse proclaims Jesus as that savior.

Is only Jesus God? NO!

Let us look at what Phil 2:9-10 says :

"9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,..."

All the names of the Lord in the Old Testament such as Jehovah Jirah, Jehovah-Nissi, Jehovah Rapha and so forth have been condensed into ONE name : JESUS
The name JESUS is above every name.
Jesus is the Lord who was in the Old Testment. He is the same Lord who has been before the foundations of the world and always be forever more!
It is also good to note that throughout the New Testament none of these other names of the Lord are mentioned.

Therefore, yes Jesus is the only God.

God bless you

Michelle71 · Jul 8, 2012

Well, Proverbs 8 speaks about the pre-incarnate spirit of Jesus, who is the word of God made flesh.

Pro 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
Pro 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
Pro 8:3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors.
Pro 8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
Pro 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
Pro 8:6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
Pro 8:7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
Pro 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
Pro 8:9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Pro 8:10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Pro 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
Pro 8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pro 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
Pro 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
Pro 8:16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Pro 8:18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
Pro 8:19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
Pro 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
Pro 8:21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

This passage is not talking about just some attribute of God, because would God not have possessed the attribute of wisdom even before he made the earth? How would wisdom rejoice in the terrestrial parts of the earth, or take delight in the sons of men. This is talking about something much more than some attribute that God has.

Pro 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Pro 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Romans 8.28 · Jul 16, 2012

::PreciousinChrist:: said:
Therefore, yes Jesus is the only God.

God bless you

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (Who gave Jesus this power?)

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (Could this really be "Jesus saying, I am pleased with You Jesus?)

1 Corinthians 15:27 For He (Our Father) hath put all things under His (Jesus') feet. But when He (Jesus) saith all things are put under Him (Jesus), it is manifest that He (Our Father) is excepted (God our Father is not going to be under the power of Jesus.), which did put all things under Him (Jesus).

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him (Jesus), then shall the Son (Jesus) also Himself be subject unto Him (Our Father) that put all things under Him (Jesus), that God may be all in all. (Does this really say that Jesus shall be subject to Jesus?)

God bless you too dear sister in Jesus' name.

Michelle71 · Jul 17, 2012

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Pe 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Jesus has a God and Father. All foreknowledge dwells with God the Father who sanctifies those through His Holy Spirit who believe that Jesus' sacrifice, his blood, is the price paid for redemption.

Jesus is not the Highest God above all. He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is God's only begotten Son. Jesus' God and Father is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Peter, Paul, etc.

Romans 8.28 · Jul 20, 2012

Michelle71 said:
Jesus has a God and Father. All foreknowledge dwells with God the Father who sanctifies those through His Holy Spirit who believe that Jesus' sacrifice, his blood, is the price paid for redemption.

Jesus is not the Highest God above all. He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is God's only begotten Son. Jesus' God and Father is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Peter, Paul, etc.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Philippians 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Would you agree that Jesus is our Savior? If not I'm sorry, and I've gone as far as I can with this.

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

(Isaiah 43:11) I, even I, am the LORD (Jehovah); and beside me there is no saviour. (12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD (Jehovah), that I am God.

Acts 4:10,12) (10) Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. (12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

(Isaiah 40:3) The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness (John the Baptist), Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Jehovah), make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Just Who did John the Baptist prepare the way of?

My thoughts.

Peace Seeker · Jul 21, 2012

Michelle71 said:
Jesus is not the Highest God above all. He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is God's only begotten Son. Jesus' God and Father is the same God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Peter, Paul, etc.

Your statement here greatly puzzles me :"He is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob". It sounds like something an old-covenant Jew, Muslim or Jehovah’s Witness would say! I will show you just a few reasons why I believe you are in error.

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Jesus' hearers took up stones and accused Him of blasphemy when He said this. Why? Because He was calling Himself God.

Mic 5:2
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting." Here is Jesus, the everlasting ruler of Israel.

What about the incarnate language in Mal 3? Is it not talking about Jesus? If it is, it is saying that He will purify the sons of Levi. The same sons of Levi whose God was Yahweh, who said He, alone, was their Savior and that He knows no other God or Savior and gives His glory to no one else.

Does God, the Father, give His glory to anyone else? I say He does. If not, why pray to or trust in Jesus???

Malachi 3
3 “Behold, I send My messenger, (John the Baptist)
And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek,
Will suddenly come to His temple, (He will incarnate and come down physically to His temple)
Even the Messenger of the covenant,
In whom you delight.
Behold, He is coming,”
Says the LORD of hosts.
2 “But who can endure the day of His coming?
And who can stand when He appears?
For He is like a refiner’s fire
And like launderers’ soap.
3 He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver;
He will purify the sons of Levi,
And purge them as gold and silver,
That they may offer to the LORD
An offering in righteousness.

Jesus is Emmanuel, God with us. And how does Yahweh call Himself the Alpha and Omega, and Jesus calls Himself Alpha and Omega? If Jesus isn’t God, why isn’t this blasphemy?

Name Applied to Jehovah and to Jesus as well :

Alpha and Omega --- Isaiah 44:6 / Revelation 22:13
Lord of Lords --- Deuteronomy 10:17 / Revelation 19:16
First and Last --- Isaiah 48:12 / Revelation 22:13
King of Kings and Lord of Lords --- Isaiah 43:15 / Revelation 17:14
Husband --- Hosea 2:16 / Revelation 21:9
Savior --- Isaiah 43:11 / Luke 2:11
Judge --- Genesis 18:25 / 2 Timothy 4:8

Jhn 8:24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am [He] (He, Who?), you will die in your sins."

Acts 9:3-6 : And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

This verse is showing that the light that shined around Saul from heaven was Jesus! Did Jesus answer because Yahweh was not interested answering an old-covenant Jew (Saul)?

Jesus calls Himself the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, which are names Yahweh has reserved for Himself time and again.

I am the bread of life
I am the Vine
I am the light of the world
I am the way the truth and the life

If Yahweh is a jealous God, who doesn't give His glory to anyone else, did He miss all these things Jesus said?

"And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son" (Zech 12:10).

Yahweh spoke those words through the prophet Zechariah, as is apparent from Zech. 12:1-10. Yahweh is speaking and uses the word ME in conjunction to being the one that gets pierced. Yet the Apostle John referred to the same Scripture (Zech 12:10) and says that it was fulfilled when Jesus was pierced on the cross by the Roman soldier's spear! Who was pierced, YHWH or Jesus?

Yahweh : "I am God and there is no other... to Me (not Jesus) every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance. They will say of Me, 'Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength' " (Isaiah 45: 22-24) .

Jesus : "………………at the name of Jesus every knee should bow... and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" (Philippians 2: 10-11).

I'll continue some more on this another time, right now I need to get to bed!!

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