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Limited atonement !

Those in the world of 2 Cor 5:19 dont have sin charged to them, so they are totally Justified from sin. Now does that apply to all without exception ? Of course not. Those in Rev 18:4-5 have their sins charged to them and God remembers their sins ! 2
 
How Jn 1:29 teaches limited atonement !

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The world here is limited, its a particular world. Again the word world means:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort .

The world here in Jn 1:29 is limited to all them that have had their sins taken away ! 3
 
How Jn 1:29 teaches limited atonement !2

Im going to show from scripture how the word world in Jn 1:29 teaches limited atonement, simply because have not had their sins taken away. The words taketh away in Jn 1:29 are airó:

I raise, lift up, take away, remove.

to remove: to remove the guilt and punishment of sin by expiation, or to cause that sin be neither imputed nor punished

of things; to take out of the way, destroy: χειρόγραφον, Colossians 2:14; cause to cease: τήν κρίσιν, Acts 8:33 (Isaiah 53:8)

The ideal is from the OT law from on the day of atonement Lev 16:21 when the High Priest would confess all the sins of the House of Israel, not all mankind, then lay hands on the live goat, symbolic of israel sins being laid to the account of the live goat, and then the live goat is sent away with their sins, removed from the presence of God. However this was only for Gods Chosen People Israel, Gods World of His People. Remember the word world means :

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort .!

Would not that define the nation of Israel ? Particularly Separated from the rest of mankind ? Its the same with the world in Jn 1:29, its not all mankind that has had their sins sent away or removed from Gods Law and Justice !

John writing to believers only writes 1 Jn 3:5

5 And ye know that he[ the lamb of God] was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
 
@Brightfame52

This site and section is not a message board. You evade discussion and mindlessly post your biased and sick interpretation of scripture.

I think mods need to block this thread since you are not up for discussion.
 
How 2 Cor 5:19 teaches limited atonement !2

2 Cor 5:17-19

17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now the World in 2 Cor 5:19 cant possibly be all without exception because those of this World are new creatures in Christ Vs 17. All men Christ died for Vs 14-15 are new creatures, their sins have been put away, and they are new creatures by Justification and reconciliation ! Now this cannot be said of the world that shall be condemned 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

Now is the reconciled world in 2 Cor 5:19 the same as the condemned world in 1 Cor 11:32 ? The answer is NO ! 3
 
@Brightfame52

This site and section is not a message board. You evade discussion and mindlessly post your biased and sick interpretation of scripture.

I think mods need to block this thread since you are not up for discussion.
I evade false accusations, if you want to discuss exactly what I posted fine, if not, dont waste time with false accusations because you cant receive the Truth
 
I evade false accusations, if you want to discuss exactly what I posted fine, if not, dont waste time with false accusations because you cant receive the Truth
You are teaching that Gos is extremely evil. If you think that is truth your brain is broken.
 
I'm like skimming through all these post n this keeps coming to me2 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
 
The World of the Elect !

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This world has been discharged of all of its sins, and is in a blessed state as these to whom God will not impute sin Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.


8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Now the World in 2 Cor 5:19 cant be the condemned world in 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.


This world is condemned and charged with its sins ! 3
 
The World of the Elect !

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This world has been discharged of all of its sins, and is in a blessed state as these to whom God will not impute sin Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.


8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Now the World in 2 Cor 5:19 cant be the condemned world in 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.


This world is condemned and charged with its sins ! 3
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
 
The World in 2 Cor 5:19 doesnt have its sins charged to them, so it cant mean everyone without exception as its falsely claimed by many !

Lets read

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 4
 
The individuals that compose the world of 2 Cor 5:19 will eventually be subjectively reconciled to God, their natural enmity and being enemies in their minds by wicked works as per Col 1:21

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled


The Spirit of Christ gives these reconciled individuals repentant hearts and minds causing them to submit to God in Christ. If this werent true then 2 Cor 5:19 would be a lie ! And so they come to God through Christ Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 4
 
Be ye reconciled to God !

Now who is Paul speaking to here ? Is he speaking to unreconciled sinners ? The answer is NO, in fact those he is speaking to have already by

Christ been reconciled to God, thats seen in 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

And Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

So the ones Paul is speaking to in 2 Cor 5:20

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Are those truthfully already reconciled, so what Paul is doing by the word of reconciliation he is preaching, which is the Gospel, the Power of God unto salvation Rom 1:16 he's bringing the already reconciled to Faith in the declared word of God, for Faith cometh by hearing Rom 10:17

What most neglect to tell us about "be ye reconciled to God" is that its an imperative passive voice, meaning that God through the Gospel is not only commanding reconciliation to Him by the Word, but actually brings about the reconciliation of their minds and hearts to Gods word and the obedience of Faith !

For those who dont know the passive voice is defined:

The passive voice represents the subject as being the recipient of the action. E.g., in the sentence, "The boy was hit by the ball," the boy receives the action.

The subjects of the imperative be ye reconciled to God are recipients of the action of the word of reconciliation in the power of the Spirit having their minds and hearts brought to Faith ! 4
 
The world in 2 Cor 5:19 is limited to those who have been objectively reconciled to God by His death. Thats why he tells believers that they had been [past tense] reconciled to God by Christs death, even when they themselves were active enemies Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. Same thing is implied 2 Cor 5:18

And all things
are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Now this objective reconciliation is once and for all by the death of Jesus Christ for all whom He died.

So the present tense reconciliation given in Vs 19 of 2 nd Cor 5 doesnt go beyond those who have been objectively reconciled by His death, which of them it entitles to non imputation of sin, sin not being laid to their charge. John Gill makes a solid comment here:


To wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself,.... This expresses and explains the subject matter of the ministration of the Gospel, especially that part of it which concerns our reconciliation with God; and declares the scheme, the author, the subjects, the way, and means, and consequence of it. The phrase, "in Christ", may be either joined with the word "God", as in our version, "God was in Christ reconciling"; that is, he was in Christ drawing the scheme, fixing the method of reconciliation; his thoughts were employed about it, which were thoughts of peace; he called a council of peace, and entered into a covenant of peace with Christ, who was appointed and agreed to, to be the peacemaker. Or with the word "reconciling", thus, God "was reconciling in Christ"; that is, by Christ; and so it denotes, as before, actual reconciliation by Christ. God, in pursuance of his purposes, council, and covenant, sent his Son to make peace; and laid our sins, and the chastisement of our peace upon him; this is the punishment of sin, whereby satisfaction was made for it, and so peace with God: or with the word "world", thus, "God was reconciling the world in Christ"; by whom are meant, not all the individuals of mankind, for these are not all in Christ, nor all reconciled to God, multitudes dying in enmity to him, nor all interested in the blessing of non-imputation of sin; whereas each of these is said of the world: but the elect of God, who are chosen in Christ, whose peace Christ is, whose sins are not imputed to them, and against whom no charge of any avail can be laid; and particularly the people of God among the Gentiles are here designed, who are frequently called "the world" in Scripture; being the world which God loved, for whose sins Christ is the propitiation, and of the reconciling of which mention is particularly made, John 3:16. And this sense well agrees with the context, which signifies, that no man is regarded for his natural descent; it is no matter whether he is a Jew or a Gentile, provided he is but a new creature: for Gospel reconciliation, and the ministry of it, concern one as well as another. Moreover, this reconciliation must be considered, either as intentional, or actual, or as a publication of it in the ministry of the word; and taken either way it cannot be thought to extend to every individual person in the world: if it is to be understood intentionally, that God intended the reconciliation of the world to himself by Christ, and drew the scheme of it in him, his intentions cannot be frustrated; his counsel shall stand, and he will do all his pleasure; a scheme so wisely laid by him in his Son, cannot come to nothing, or only in part be executed; and yet this must be the case, if it was his design to reconcile every individual of mankind to himself, since a large number of them are not reconciled to him: and if the words are to be understood of an actual reconciliation of the world unto God by Christ, which sense agrees with the preceding verse, then it is out of all question, that the word "world" cannot be taken in so large a sense as to take in every man and woman in the world; since it is certain that there are many who are not reconciled to God, who die in their sins, whose peace is not made with him, nor are they reconciled to the way of salvation by Christ: and should it be admitted that the ministry of reconciliation is here designed, which is not an offer of reconciliation to the world, but a proclamation or declaration of peace and reconciliation made by the death of Christ; this is not sent to all men; multitudes were dead before the word of reconciliation was committed to the apostles; and since, there have been great numbers who have never so much as heard of it; and even in the times of the apostles it did not reach to everyone then living: besides, the text does not speak of what God did by the ministry of his apostles, but of what he himself had been doing in his Son, and which was antecedent, and gave rise unto and was the foundation of their ministry. There was a scheme of reconciliation drawn in the counsels of God before the world began, and an actual reconciliation by the death of Christ, which is published in the Gospel, which these words contain the sum and substance of: and this reconciliation, as before, is said to be "unto himself"; to his offended justice, and for the glory of his perfections, and the reconciling of them together in the affair of salvation:

Now there is a Gospel sense in which subjective reconciliation is presently going on until the completion of all generations of objectively reconciled hear [spiritually] the good news of their Salvation/Reconciliation objectively in and through Jesus Christ..

Be warned that some teach a false view that this portion of scripture teaches universalism, everyone is reconciled to God or shall be, but that's not true because some shall die in their sins, the wrath of God is abiding on them, they shall not see life, and God still charges them with their sins Eph 5:6

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things [sins]cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
 
The world in 2 Cor 5:19 is limited to only some because ts a Justified world, all people aren't Justified. We know this because there will be a resurrection in the last day of both the Just/Justified and the unjust/unjustified See Acts 24:15

And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

They're the same unjust of 1 Cor 6:9

Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

But now Paul is speaking of a world of folk that God doesnt impute their sins unto them 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now non imputation of trespasses means forgiveness of them, Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.


8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.


2Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Now those whom God will not impute sin are a forgiven people therefore a Justified people. A forgiven people are judicially legally Justified. it means to cancel an indebtedness or liability of:

One of the NT words for Justification found in Rom 4:25 is the word dikaiósis which means:

acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution

acquittal is but a synonym for forgiveness,

Hence the world in 2 Cor 5:19 is a forgiven, acquitted, justified world with no trespasses charged to it !
 
I asked this before and never got an answer. What is the purpose of this thread?
To take away people's hope?

Even if it was true, what is the purpose in telling some people they can't be saved no matter what?

The message here seems to be.. "I'm going to heaven, and the rest of you suckers are going to hell, and there's nothing you can do about it".

How's that for sharing the love of Christ.
 
I asked this before and never got an answer. What is the purpose of this thread?
To take away people's hope?

Even if it was true, what is the purpose in telling some people they can't be saved no matter what?

The message here seems to be.. "I'm going to heaven, and the rest of you suckers are going to hell, and there's nothing you can do about it".

How's that for sharing the love of Christ.

Do not expect @Brightfame52 to deal with the point you have made. Expect a personal insult and more mindless drivel.
 
Reconciled to God based upon Non Imputation of their trespasses. When ?

2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

When did God in Chrst purpose not to impute their trespasses unto them ? 4
 
You sound confusing friend
My apologies that my post confused you. But you have made assertions based upon grammar that you don't seem to understand. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to teach you Greek, and I don't believe that you have the inclination to learn.

That world of particular individuals
(Well that certainly sounds confused to me.)

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

The world here is limited, its a particular world. Again the word world means:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort .
NO IT DOESN'T.

Are you the light of the world? OR...

Ye are the light of any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.​
(Matthew 5:14 KJV)

I provide for you the LINK to the Liddell Scott Greek Lexicon for "World"
A IV. Philos., world-order, universe,​

Rhema
Bright, you can't make up your own definitions.
 
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