RJ
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I agree that Hebrews 6:4 does seem to be saying that once someone has had an experience with God that they cannot fall away. But verses 6-8 seem to contradict that by saying that they can fall away, but they will be "burned" with the thorns and briers.
The parable of the sower (Luke 8) seems to suggest that people can start out on the road with God but then things happen along the way that stop their progress.
Could we, for example, say that the seed that falls into shallow ground who "receives the word with joy" (Luke 8:13) is not saved? It sounds like they received the Lord in the traditional sense.
Or what about those who are "are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of [this] life" ? (Luke 8:14)
It seems to me that "Salvation" is something deeper that just a confession of faith.
I believe we need to endure to be saved (Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13)
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Hebrews 6
6 They are crucifying God’s Son all over again and exposing him to public shame. 7 The ground receives a blessing from God when it drinks up the rain that regularly comes and falls on it and yields useful plants for those who farm it. 8 But if it produces thorns and thistles, it’s useless and close to being cursed. It ends up being burned.
I think Paul is saying here that you just can't or don't go in and out of salvation on a whim and, if you could, that would require Jesus to crawl back up on the cross, die and be resurrected all over again, each time a person wants forgiveness and salvation and, of course that is not going to happen.
Christ is our final and true Priest and, unlike the Priest's before him, like Aron, Christ's work was finished and he sat down.
Finaly, I think Pauls is saying that you better get it right because judgement is coming and God will separate the true believers from the non-believers.
Salvation does go deeper than an acclamation of faith. It is the difference between a Head Christian and a Heart Christian. Knowing of God is one thing but, knowing God and having God in you is the key.
"Once people have seen the light, gotten a taste of heaven and been part of the work of the Holy Spirit" ....Once in you, there is nothing in scripture that says God will leave you, in fact, he says just the opposite, that he will never forsake you.
4-8Once people have seen the light, gotten a taste of heaven and been part of the work of the Holy Spirit, once they've personally experienced the sheer goodness of God's Word and the powers breaking in on us—if then they turn their backs on it, washing their hands of the whole thing, well, they can't start over as if nothing happened. That's impossible. Why, they've re-crucified Jesus!