Once saved can we lose our salvation??
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Hi David
Please consider the disciples who all fled and hid in the fear of the jews after Jesus had been crucified. And Jesus came to them and gave the Holy spirit making them born-again.
So you could say they were hated by all men for His name sake and they endured to the end and they were saved.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
So Jesus was telling them before hand that they must endure which they did. And we too have to because of hate because of Jesus name's sake but once we are born again we are saved.
Lets take a look of again in here:
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. ----- Note no false prophet can take away God's sheep. Joh 10:8 Joh 10:27
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
So the enduring is about love! The disciples didnt turn each other in and hate each other they endured to the end till the promise of Holy spirit came. Joh 20:22
Even you would not agree with this intepretion you should note that Jesus was talking about Love vaxing cold and people hating and betraying each other.
Thats big if you ask me.
It's not something I would ever except any born again christian to do. As this is about some great moral corruption.
The following verse and two questions is what I posted Jari.
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"Originally Posted by David777
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Is this out of context? How do you interpret this one Jari?"
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Now my friend Jari what did you mean when you stated the
following answer to my questions?
"Could that mean those who are not yet saved need to endure?"
Please consider the disciples who all fled and hid in the fear of the jews after Jesus had been crucified. And Jesus came to them and gave the Holy spirit making them born-again.
So you could say they were hated by all men for His name sake and they endured to the end and they were saved.
Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
So Jesus was telling them before hand that they must endure which they did. And we too have to because of hate because of Jesus name's sake but once we are born again we are saved.
Lets take a look of again in here:
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. ----- Note no false prophet can take away God's sheep. Joh 10:8 Joh 10:27
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
So the enduring is about love! The disciples didnt turn each other in and hate each other they endured to the end till the promise of Holy spirit came. Joh 20:22
Even you would not agree with this intepretion you should note that Jesus was talking about Love vaxing cold and people hating and betraying each other.
Thats big if you ask me.
It's not something I would ever except any born again christian to do. As this is about some great moral corruption.
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Peace be unto you
Jari, are you taking theology classes, or something? Are you having another man teach you what to believe about the Bible? I ask because of that comment that you made about me searching the internet for my scripture. I just want you to know that I actually do my own research. I don't pray for God's guidance, and then pick up a Matthew Henry commentary, or Martin Luther, Cyrus Scofield, or John Darby work to find out what I should believe about a particular verse. I have had very little exterior influence in coming to my conclusions. The books that I have read and the people that I have heard preach, I have disagreed with. No man has taught me what to believe, or how to defend my beliefs.
And if your comment about pride was aimed in my direction: it isn't pride that you see, it's obedience. Actually, if anyone is proud it's people that believe in OSAS, believing that God should treat them differently than He has people in the past. If you would step back and look at what you believe you might see how contradictory to scripture it actually is. God is no respecter of persons, right? How can you expect a just God who has punished so many others in the past for their sins, to turn around and treat you differently for yours?
OSASers don't believe that they can aid in their making it to Heaven, right? You don't believe that you have to do anything to keep or attain your salvation? Are you supposed to try to stop sinning? If you don't watch how much you sin you have to start questioning whether or not you were saved to begin with, right? In a sense, by your own rules, you have to work to prove that you are saved. So where is the difference between what you and I believe, really? You choose to believe for salvation, correct? Or, do you not believe in freewill? If you chose to believe in Christ, that IS a work.
If a person who claims to be saved continues to sin without restraint, OSASers question whether or not they were truly saved to begin with. It's almost as though you are not sure when you are saved. You admittedly sin daily, but that person sins worse sins than you do so they cannot have truly attained salvation? Where do you draw the line, and how can a person that believes in OSAS ever truly decide whether they are saved or not? What kind of sin, and how much of it, is okay for someone who believes in OSAS to commit before they need to start questioning whether they were truly saved to begin with? There are a lot of people out there that would like to know the answer to this question. Many of your own.
One difference in what you believe and what I believe is that we don't have a bunch of churches full of believers fellowshipping with unbelievers because they can't tell the difference between themselves. There are verses in the New Testament that tell believers not to fellowship with unbelievers, but in the world of OSAS that becomes remarkably difficult because there really isn't much difference between some of you and the sinful world around you.
OSAS is too easily counterfeited. Anyone can claim to be saved. Anyone can be confused and truly believe that they are saved. I wonder how many people have died and was sent to Hell even though they had "believed" that they were saved because the doctrine that you people teach is so unclear on such matters. Clear it up for me here, Jari, so that I can stop posting in this thread: How much can someone sin, and which sins are okay for a person to commit, before they need to start questioning whether they were saved or not? Feel free to chime in too, RJ, I know that you want to.
Jari, are you taking theology classes, or something? Are you having another man teach you what to believe about the Bible? I ask because of that comment that you made about me searching the internet for my scripture. I just want you to know that I actually do my own research. I don't pray for God's guidance, and then pick up a Matthew Henry commentary, or Martin Luther, Cyrus Scofield, or John Darby work to find out what I should believe about a particular verse. I have had very little exterior influence in coming to my conclusions. The books that I have read and the people that I have heard preach, I have disagreed with. No man has taught me what to believe, or how to defend my beliefs.
Yes, Jari, and in more than one place those branches are warned that they can be broken off. But, you can only be broken off by having first been there in the first place. Romans 11 tells you that, if you would read it with God's help instead of depending on another to tell you how you should read it.
And if your comment about pride was aimed in my direction: it isn't pride that you see, it's obedience. Actually, if anyone is proud it's people that believe in OSAS, believing that God should treat them differently than He has people in the past. If you would step back and look at what you believe you might see how contradictory to scripture it actually is. God is no respecter of persons, right? How can you expect a just God who has punished so many others in the past for their sins, to turn around and treat you differently for yours?
OSASers don't believe that they can aid in their making it to Heaven, right? You don't believe that you have to do anything to keep or attain your salvation? Are you supposed to try to stop sinning? If you don't watch how much you sin you have to start questioning whether or not you were saved to begin with, right? In a sense, by your own rules, you have to work to prove that you are saved. So where is the difference between what you and I believe, really? You choose to believe for salvation, correct? Or, do you not believe in freewill? If you chose to believe in Christ, that IS a work.
If a person who claims to be saved continues to sin without restraint, OSASers question whether or not they were truly saved to begin with. It's almost as though you are not sure when you are saved. You admittedly sin daily, but that person sins worse sins than you do so they cannot have truly attained salvation? Where do you draw the line, and how can a person that believes in OSAS ever truly decide whether they are saved or not? What kind of sin, and how much of it, is okay for someone who believes in OSAS to commit before they need to start questioning whether they were truly saved to begin with? There are a lot of people out there that would like to know the answer to this question. Many of your own.
One difference in what you believe and what I believe is that we don't have a bunch of churches full of believers fellowshipping with unbelievers because they can't tell the difference between themselves. There are verses in the New Testament that tell believers not to fellowship with unbelievers, but in the world of OSAS that becomes remarkably difficult because there really isn't much difference between some of you and the sinful world around you.
OSAS is too easily counterfeited. Anyone can claim to be saved. Anyone can be confused and truly believe that they are saved. I wonder how many people have died and was sent to Hell even though they had "believed" that they were saved because the doctrine that you people teach is so unclear on such matters. Clear it up for me here, Jari, so that I can stop posting in this thread: How much can someone sin, and which sins are okay for a person to commit, before they need to start questioning whether they were saved or not? Feel free to chime in too, RJ, I know that you want to.
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Hi Stickz
The point is when it talks about branches it isnt explicitly said that it would be referring to salvation.
I read bible my self too.
No it wasnt aimed at your direction, that was just one example. Remeber paul said dont be proud in romans when he talked about those branches?
God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. The way i see it if we admit we need grace were not being broud and thats how we should think...
Why you say OSAS is pride? Its love to me.
Why would God need to be hard on us? Does God want us really to earn heaven? salvation is free Gift bible says and thats shows God's love to me.
The only reason God punished people was not because they sinned but because they didnt believe in Him at all and therfore didnt obey Him and sinned.
Believing in Christ is not a work in my opinion. Unless you mean pushes to gain that faith... But like Jesus says no one comes to Him unless Father first draw Him.
And I think the sinning is often misunderstood topic because it doesnt have anything to do what we try because God has already given us new a heart. Bible says we are a new creation old has gone and new has come. This is because we were made alive by His Holy spirit, i believe. And john 1 says: 1Jn 5:18-19 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (19) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
This is more of attribute that God has given us, than self effort. Because again we have the HS to enable understand these thing better. We still sin but 1jn probably means we have become aware of sin and hence avoid the sin. When before we came to God and were bornagain we were like rest of the world, completely in wickedness.
Like Jesus says in John 3 you must be bornagain and when you believe your saved then.
And I don't think it was never for us to think who is saved and not but just preach the word. Rom 10:6 - 7
I don't want to answer rest of the question because Im not an OSASer. And you need to ask those question from the people who say those things. I don't personally put it that way.
The point is when it talks about branches it isnt explicitly said that it would be referring to salvation.
I read bible my self too.
No it wasnt aimed at your direction, that was just one example. Remeber paul said dont be proud in romans when he talked about those branches?
God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. The way i see it if we admit we need grace were not being broud and thats how we should think...
Why you say OSAS is pride? Its love to me.
Why would God need to be hard on us? Does God want us really to earn heaven? salvation is free Gift bible says and thats shows God's love to me.
The only reason God punished people was not because they sinned but because they didnt believe in Him at all and therfore didnt obey Him and sinned.
Believing in Christ is not a work in my opinion. Unless you mean pushes to gain that faith... But like Jesus says no one comes to Him unless Father first draw Him.
And I think the sinning is often misunderstood topic because it doesnt have anything to do what we try because God has already given us new a heart. Bible says we are a new creation old has gone and new has come. This is because we were made alive by His Holy spirit, i believe. And john 1 says: 1Jn 5:18-19 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. (19) And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
This is more of attribute that God has given us, than self effort. Because again we have the HS to enable understand these thing better. We still sin but 1jn probably means we have become aware of sin and hence avoid the sin. When before we came to God and were bornagain we were like rest of the world, completely in wickedness.
Like Jesus says in John 3 you must be bornagain and when you believe your saved then.
And I don't think it was never for us to think who is saved and not but just preach the word. Rom 10:6 - 7
I don't want to answer rest of the question because Im not an OSASer. And you need to ask those question from the people who say those things. I don't personally put it that way.
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No I don't particularly want to but feel I must.
Nothing you have posted yet against OSAS is true of how Jari and I believe! Again, lets make this perfectly clear: You say that we think that sin does not matter and we can willfully do what ever....I repeat, we do not believe that distortion and as long as you push it or, something similar, I am going to politely rebutt it.
You just dont listen! let's try it again.....we do see our sin and we hate it and we allow the chatisement of the holy spirit and his help in correcting it....I just don't see why you refuse to hear that and acknowledge that we do care about our sin. The only reason I can see why you don't is that you would have no case against us.
Case in point: You kindly go back and pull up one of my threads where I said sin does not matter or we can freely or willfully sin and get away with it....you find it, make your undeniable case and I will eat crow!
Again, please show me where I said that I do not have to look at my sin.....you can't!
This is so typical of the things you say about us: if anyone is proud it's people that believe in OSAS, believing that God should treat them differently than He has people in the past
For goodness sake, you guys just don't get it do you? God does treat us differently, it started at the cross and when God abolished the Old Covenant....If you haven't noticed we live under a new agreement with God it is called the New Covenant!
We do not live under the old law of atoneing...we live under the law of grace!!!
Maybe you should reconsider and study a few comentaires. Breaking of a branch doesn't mean those who were believers.
The symbolism of separating the sheep from the goats, the Wheat from the Chaff and the Wheat from the tares (weeds) is symbolic of judgement and separating the saved from the unsave.
We all, including unbeleivers are born of God through Adam and, of course an unbeleiver who is not born of the spirit is separated out, broken of and destroyed.
What you preach can lead to bondage, or is simple truth and does not!
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Peace be unto you
John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
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Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
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Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
These conditionals make for nice little stumbling blocks, because in turn if ye are led of the flesh you are under the law.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
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Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
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Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
These conditionals make for nice little stumbling blocks, because in turn if ye are led of the flesh you are under the law.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
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Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
What you preach is comforting to the fleshly mind. What I preach can lead someone to true freedom.
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All your verses prove nothing!!
C' es la vie!!....I'm done with this thread!!
Voy Con Dios!
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Are you suggesting that people who don't believe in OSAS believe in being in bondage? Teach it? Preach it?
Definitely not. I suggest both parties debate the issue without using extreme and baseless claims.
What do you think?
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I find it interesting that you chose to question me first? It means that you took what I said offensively, but not what RJ said. I take it that you also believe in Once Saved, Always Saved.
When someone debates this doctrine, why is it that so many of you get so offended? Some of you seem to defend this doctrine against other professing Christians, more than you do Jesus against the Atheist mind. You take it too personal. I know someone that believes in Once Saved, Always Saved, that has told me that they could get mad and kill a bunch of people, and if they were to die immediately after, they would still get to Heaven. Because they are saved, without a doubt. If many of you believe things like this, then, yes, you are promoting a lot of things. Wouldn't you agree? Look at your post:
Yes, some of you do. Did I say that agua does? No. But, I might as well have. It doesn't seem like you could have taken it anymore offensively. Some of you go as far as saying that a saved person can commit suicide and if you're saved you will go to Heaven because you can't possibly lose your salvation once you get it. No matter what. I find that line of thinking preposterous. You could encourage some kid who is having typical growing pains to go ahead and end their lives because they had been "saved" a couple of years ago.
Yes, I see a lot of questionable things in the doctrine, and I'm sorry that it offends you for people to question it.
I had the liberty of discussing the issue of exagerated claims with RJ in the chatroom and posed the same question to him. I have also noticed since you joined this forum that you have conducted yourself in an aggressive and presumptuous way. No I am not OSAS.
Season your words mate.
Your experience is not indictative of all or even many of OSAS belivers. Be careful not to generalise.
I am not offended by the defense of your belief. Once again you need to not be presumptuous and debate the issue and not the person. You have some good insights and speak intelligently mostly. Don't lose your audience through poor approach.
Deal.
You should pop into the chatroom occasionally and meet some of the people you debate. I think you'll find you'll more than like them.
I would like to retract this statement and apologise to Stickz for making it.
David,
Agree on point b).
On your point a), however, the verse is written: If we endure, we shall reign with Him. In your writing you seem to equate the concept "reign" with "being saved" but think about the implication of that equation: that means *every* believers that are saved, will reign with The Lord.
Have you ever think what happen if *all* believers reign with The Lord?
Who then are we suppose to reign *over* ?
For years this question confounded me. And I see the injustice of suddenly giving lukewarm, stuck, baby Christians who never grow in their faith, the right to *reign* over anyone.
Until one day I realize (the credit goes 100% to the Holy Spirit's guidance) that being saved and earning rewards (which includes reigning with The Lord) are two different stages of a Christian's life on this earth.
In a marvelous display of the consistency of the Scriptures, the apostle Peter also wrote in: 2 Peter 1:11 "... and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." If (and only if) we have done what he prescribed in verses 3-10 previously. And he was being very clear using the words like "make effort" to indicate that there are a lot of things for us to do after being saved by grace through faith alone.
Similarly Paul's equating us Christian believers to soldiers and athlete's discipline, also echoes the same principle that to reap rewards in heaven, we must put the effort to get it.
But here's the danger. Don't make the mistake of applying that same principle to the process of being saved, it won't fit because we cannot work our way to salvation, right?
The principle applies *after* we are saved, in order to earn our rewards. This gives us something to go after, to pursue, guided by the Holy Spirit who indwells us.
There is also point c) in the passage you quoted above, that's the last verse: If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
What does that mean? to me, in my current understanding of the Scripture, that means even weak-in-the-faith Christians are saved.
Where would they end up in heaven and what kind of relationship they will have with The Lord, we don't know.
But I am sure of one thing: That I do not want to be in that situation. And I don't want any other brothers and sisters to be in that situation either.
Remember that we who have put our trust in Our Lord Jesus Christ are predestined to be conformed to His image. That is the ultimate image of a strong disciple who endures and made effort to do God's will and to be God's servant.
And that is what we should push each other to strife towards.
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I have never thought of it that way before. I've always thought and known for a long time that we would lose rewards for sinning against God and not trying to serve him.
But there are some verses that had given me trouble before.
Armin I just found a real super, wonderful, great, fantastic book. The book is "THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT"
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I found this book to be very simple but so wonderfully helpful. I encourage you to get it or see if you can find at a book seller on your web. Blessings Armin.
by Andy Andrews
published by
Simple Rruths LLC
Naperville, Illinois 60563
ISBM 978-1-40418-780-1
Copyright@ 2009
Co publisher Thomas Nelson
I found this book to be very simple but so wonderfully helpful. I encourage you to get it or see if you can find at a book seller on your web. Blessings Armin.
Once saved always saved?
salvation is by God's grace based on a relationship we have with God through faith...one has to work out their own salvation. saying once saved, always saved gives someone the license to sin.
Matthew 24:13
He who stands firm to the end will be saved, suggesting that those who wony stand firm til the end wont be saved an you would have believed in vain(1 corinthians 15:1-2) this is cleary someone who was saved at one time, but didnt stand firm til the end.
Matthew 7:21-23
"Not everyone thay saith unto me lord, lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven"
"Many will say to me in that day lord lord have we not prophesied in thy name?" And in thy name have cast out devil?and in thy name done many wonderful works? and then I will profess unto them: I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity"
We you are saved you have to do God's will, not your will. you can go to church on a sunday,be godly on that day but when u leave church and go back to your old ways,say in the week, then holy again on a sunday...this does not gurantee a place in his kingdom if we keep going back...when you are saved you have to continue walking in the light as he is in the light.Do the will of God at all times.
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments"
We are expected to read God's word always, it helps us to grow in christ. Hosea 4:6 says "My people perish from lack of knowledge" a saved person should arm not to be one of those people.
When Saul was anionted king, he grew proud ans began rejecting God consistently in the end God rejected him and directed samuel to aniont david as king. Saul rejecting God consistently resulted in his prayers not being answeres when he needed him most( 1 sam 10:8,10; 28:6) because God knew his repentance was not real,he only wanted protection from the philitines...this was someone who knew God.God is a forgiving God when you repent, but if you persistently turn your back on him over and over and over again, there wil come a time he will respect your freedom of choice and holy spirit wil stop drawing you...it isnt that God refuses to forgive, its that some refuses to repebt.
Its important to ask God for guidance to understand his word and what is required of us in line with his commandment. its not our will, but his however we look at it.
God bless.
salvation is by God's grace based on a relationship we have with God through faith...one has to work out their own salvation. saying once saved, always saved gives someone the license to sin.
Matthew 24:13
He who stands firm to the end will be saved, suggesting that those who wony stand firm til the end wont be saved an you would have believed in vain(1 corinthians 15:1-2) this is cleary someone who was saved at one time, but didnt stand firm til the end.
Matthew 7:21-23
"Not everyone thay saith unto me lord, lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven"
"Many will say to me in that day lord lord have we not prophesied in thy name?" And in thy name have cast out devil?and in thy name done many wonderful works? and then I will profess unto them: I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity"
We you are saved you have to do God's will, not your will. you can go to church on a sunday,be godly on that day but when u leave church and go back to your old ways,say in the week, then holy again on a sunday...this does not gurantee a place in his kingdom if we keep going back...when you are saved you have to continue walking in the light as he is in the light.Do the will of God at all times.
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments"
We are expected to read God's word always, it helps us to grow in christ. Hosea 4:6 says "My people perish from lack of knowledge" a saved person should arm not to be one of those people.
When Saul was anionted king, he grew proud ans began rejecting God consistently in the end God rejected him and directed samuel to aniont david as king. Saul rejecting God consistently resulted in his prayers not being answeres when he needed him most( 1 sam 10:8,10; 28:6) because God knew his repentance was not real,he only wanted protection from the philitines...this was someone who knew God.God is a forgiving God when you repent, but if you persistently turn your back on him over and over and over again, there wil come a time he will respect your freedom of choice and holy spirit wil stop drawing you...it isnt that God refuses to forgive, its that some refuses to repebt.
Its important to ask God for guidance to understand his word and what is required of us in line with his commandment. its not our will, but his however we look at it.
God bless.
Sister you quoted 1 Corinthians 15 in conjuction to mat 24:13 but 1 Corinthians 15 says you only need to believe.
1 Corinthians 15
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Faith and enduring under trials are where different to me. I dont think anything else is needed but faith like it says in 1cor 15.
We stand if we believe the gospel.
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