Protestants and Catholics

[Brother-Paul]

A lot of claims .

Getting into a finger pointing arguement gets a little silly in my mind, at this point. Almost as bad as Republicans and Democrats in the USA setting blame for many things that set us where we are today.

Nobody is finger pointing Bill, you raised the questions when you started the post.

You have been. given answers based on whether an item is in scripture or not, with additional confirmation as we.

All the details provided are clear to see but you don't appear to want to accept them and cannot confirm with scripture what you suggest

Do you really believe the RCC had so much power as to " create " so much from almost the beginning till the reformation. Almost where God isnt involved . That is how it comes across to me.

The RCC does what the Pope at the time says, he claims he has 'power' to change even the divine word.

The RCC chose to preach in Latin, from Latin, most people couldn't read or write Bill, it was long after the printing press, before scripture was available to many, and even longer before most could read or write. Only those from wealthy backgrounds were educated, that was why there was no real challenge until Luther.

It wasn't the Reformation that split the chur h Bill, it was the errors of the RCC, which they failed to change and still carry on the old none scriptural items today.

Man always thinks he can run things his way, God stepped in at the Reformation, enough was enough.

Your examples of the word " Pope " not being in scripture , so what.

Using your analogy, the United States must be an evil emipre. We have a President. And the word President isnt found in the Bible. You drive an automobile, it must be from the devil, that word is not found in scripture, therefore we all worship Satan. Cell phones, toilets, riding mowers, shall i go on. All these things from the devil, as the words are not found in the Bible.

Dear Bill, my heart is troubled, I will add a reply to this last message then stop until things are calm again.

The president and your other examples have nothing to do with the church, but the Pope has.

The president doesn't claim a position based on Peter, but the Pope does.

We are not talking anologies Bill, we are talking church and scripture.

Peace be with you Bill

 

[Bill]

Nobody is finger pointing Bill, you raised the questions when you started the post.

You have been. given answers based on whether an item is in scripture or not, with additional confirmation as we.

All the details provided are clear to see but you don't appear to want to accept them and cannot confirm with scripture what you suggest





The RCC does what the Pope at the time says, he claims he has 'power' to change even the divine word.

The RCC chose to preach in Latin, from Latin, most people couldn't read or write Bill, it was long after the printing press, before scripture was available to many, and even longer before most could read or write. Only those from wealthy backgrounds were educated, that was why there was no real challenge until Luther.

It wasn't the Reformation that split the chur h Bill, it was the errors of the RCC, which they failed to change and still carry on the old none scriptural items today.

Man always thinks he can run things his way, God stepped in at the Reformation, enough was enough.





Dear Bill, my heart is troubled, I will add a reply to this last message then stop until things are calm again.

The president and your other examples have nothing to do with the church, but the Pope has.

The president doesn't claim a position based on Peter, but the Pope does.

We are not talking anologies Bill, we are talking church and scripture.

Peace be with you Bill

I guess i cant see what the difference is, whether a persons title is Pope or Presedent. As these things are irrelevant when it comes to Christs teachings. Jesus never said you can't call yourself " Pope " . What he did say, if he is with us, he isnt against us.

And what do all these arguements have to do with the Teachings of Jesus anyways.

The bottom line is all that matters. Jesus is God . Jesus died for our sins, Jesus rose from the dead. Jesus rose into Heaven.

If this is in your heart, whether Protestant or Catholic, you are good. And all the answers to all the questions will be answered in heaven.

All the politics, as i call it won't stop anyone from going to heaven.

If Jesus is the Center of your heart. " Your treasure is where your heart is " ( scripture )

 

[Brother-Paul]

I guess i cant see what the difference is, whether a persons title is Pope or Presedent. As these things are irrelevant when it comes to Christs teachings. Jesus never said you can't call yourself " Pope " . What he did say, if he is with us, he isnt against us

The pope has been placed as head of the RCC, as the bishop of Rome, it is his job to shepherd the catholic church in accordance with The Word of God.

The president is put in control of running the country, the president is nothing to do with the church.

That is the clear difference Bill

 

[Brother-Paul]

And what do all these arguements have to do with the Teachings of Jesus anyways.

Who is arguing Bill, I am not, we are discussing scripture related items are we not?

When you say something that is correct with scripture, we agree.

When you reply with a message that isn't correct with scripture, I need to reply, not in my opinion Bill, but confirming why I disagree with scripture. Is that not the right way to do it Bill?

I am not the only one to reply, although you do send a few posts to me, I am happy to reply to you, in His Love. My replies have been in line with what others have also said.

If I am wrong I will hold my hand up, I have in the past, but I won't get upset if I don't like the reply or it is not what I want to hear.

Peace be with you Bill

 

[Bill]

The pope has been placed as head of the RCC, as the bishop of Rome, it is his job to shepherd the catholic church in accordance with The Word of God.

The president is put in control of running the country, the president is nothing to do with the church.

That is the clear difference Bill

So what is the problem. You just said it yourself that the pope is the bishop of Rome and it is his job to Shepherd the Catholic Church in accordance to the Word.

You just said it yourself

 

[Brother-Paul]

So what is the problem. You just said it yourself that the pope is the bishop of Rome and it is his job to Shepherd the Catholic Church in accordance to the Word.

You just said it yourself

I did Bill, we agree so far.

I agree he is the Bishop of Rome for the RCC/CC.

I don't agree he is of the line he claims with Peter.

I do not agree with the practices mentioned previously by the RCC/CC. I am not going to list them again.

I repeat the RCC changed the 10 commandments, you said they never. They did Bill.

My tea will be ready soon, so I will give you the details after my tea. I am not going to go round in circles with this my friend, so I will give you those details to confirm the outstanding comment, then withdraw.

I think that is best Bill

I pray the Lord will bless you.

Shalom

 

[Bill]

Who is arguing Bill, I am not, we are discussing scripture related items are we not?

When you say something that is correct with scripture, we agree.

When you reply with a message that isn't correct with scripture, I need to reply, not in my opinion Bill, but confirming why I disagree with scripture. Is that not the right way to do it Bill?

I am not the only one to reply, although you do send a few posts to me, I am happy to reply to you, in His Love. My replies have been in line with what others have also said.

If I am wrong I will hold my hand up, I have in the past, but I won't get upset if I don't like the reply or it is not what I want to hear.

Peace be with you Bill

That should be rephrased a little.

When I say something that you agree with that is familiar to you that you understand then you agree with it.

But that thinking is the same whether a person is a Protestant or a Catholic.

The hard part just trying to show the truth and maybe both sides would disagree at the same time.

Or if you have 1 Thing that the other side doesn't agree on then trying to show why it's true.

The biggest enemy that both the Protestants and the Catholics have, other than the devil is our own selves.

And this goes back to the stubbornness I was talking about earlier the stubbornness as a whole both all of the Protestants and all of the Catholics to go beyond our own thinking and follow the will of God.

An example of this would be following the will of the Holy Spirit.

Now people can be baptized in the Holy Spirit and still not recognize the holy spirit because no one is really teaching anything when it comes to the gifts of the Spirit or how to recognize the spirit in your life.

Certainly God teaches some to recognize the movement of the spirit within themselves.

But there is a vast majority of people who received the baptism of the spirit and Our Shepherdless when it comes to actually knowing what to look for.

These people are told to look for the peace in your heart which is correct except to be able to recognize God's peace verses your own peace. And this becomes a problem because some people cannot understand the difference

 

[Bill]

I did Bill, we agree so far.

I agree he is the Bishop of Rome for the RCC/CC.

I don't agree he is of the line he claims with Peter.

I do not agree with the practices mentioned previously by the RCC/CC. I am not going to list them again.

I repeat the RCC changed the 10 commandments, you said they never. They did Bill.

My tea will be ready soon, so I will give you the details after my tea. I am not going to go round in circles with this my friend, so I will give you those details to confirm the outstanding comment, then withdraw.

I think that is best Bill

I pray the Lord will bless you.

Shalom

Like I said before the bottom line is what's most important and the other stuff I just put that stuff in God's hands.

As an example I don't agree with the practice of the Holy Ghost people they are the ones that are called The Snake handlers they live primarily in Appalachia area.

However I know where their hearts are at and I know that that is in the Lord Jesus.

There are a number Church of God groups. You can drive down the road let's start with the First Church of God then drive down the road a little further and find another Church of God and drive down the road a little further and find another one and that's will continue for five more times. Each church is independent of the other and each church is actually a branch from the original one they split over silly arguments. If I recall correctly the main Church argued over a painting that they had painted on the wall of Adam and Eve and the painter put a belly button on Adam and that's what caused the split in the church. Now personally I just called it silly arguments it has nothing to do with the bottom line. The only thing that I seek is the bottom line. And if their heart is in the right place that's all that really matters.

Now it doesn't matter whether the Protestants agree with me or not it doesn't matter if the Catholics agree with me or not. The only thing that matters is the bottom line

 

[Brother-Paul]

Hi Bill

Here is a link, as promised, confirming the changes made to the 10 commandments by the RCC

Although this is from a web page I can confirm, as stated earlier in this thread that I have seen this myself.

It was in a catholic church were I used to live, painted on the stone, and had been there a long time. When I first looked at it, I knew something was wrong, I looked and looked and wondered, I read it numerous times and even counted the commands. It was the marriage of my son to a catholic girl, she was not a practicing catholic, my son an atheist, he only agreed like many, to get married.

Here are the changes

The Roman Catholic Church changed the Ten Commandments

There are other websites that show this, I chose it due to the way it is laid out, it is exactly what I have seen, more than once.

Scripture is clear, NOT ONE DOT OR TITTER IS TO BE CHANGED IN THE WORD. No clauses attached this is the message to all.

 

[Brother-Paul]

hat should be rephrased a little.

When I say something that you agree with that is familiar to you that you understand then you agree with it.

But that thinking is the same whether a person is a Protestant or a Catholic.

The hard part just trying to show the truth and maybe both sides would disagree at the same time.

Or if you have 1 Thing that the other side doesn't agree on then trying to show why it's true.

Dear Bill,

We cannot pick and choose what scripture we like and which we choose to ignore.

If someone proclaims this is right with scripture and it clearly isn't, we have a duty to tell them, but do it in love and confirm the errors are not scripture based using scripture to confirm it.

This is what we have done.

Blessings

 

[Bill]

Hi Bill

Here is a link, as promised, confirming the changes made to the 10 commandments by the RCC

Although this is from a web page I can confirm, as stated earlier in this thread that I have seen this myself.

It was in a catholic church were I used to live, painted on the stone, and had been there a long time. When I first looked at it, I knew something was wrong, I looked and looked and wondered, I read it numerous times and even counted the commands. It was the marriage of my son to a catholic girl, she was not a practicing catholic, my son an atheist, he only agreed like many, to get married.

Here are the changes

The Roman Catholic Church changed the Ten Commandments

There are other websites that show this, I chose it due to the way it is laid out, it is exactly what I have seen, more than once.

Scripture is clear, NOT ONE DOT OR TITTER IS TO BE CHANGED IN THE WORD. No clauses attached this is the message to all.

Let us both agree that whatever you read at the church you belong to was not the Ten Commandments but that particular church is not the way the Catholic Church looks at the Ten Commandments.

I have a copy of the Catholic concordance at my house and it will tell you that the Ten Commandments are exactly as they are written in the laws of Moses in the Bible.

And now I just want to say that from if you go look at a King James version today that's written today and look at a King James version that was written back in the 50s you'll find that there's quite a few words that have been changed.

So how are we supposed to know what's right and wrong when it comes to not one thing should ever be changed from the Bible.

Now if you want to complain about churches that rewrite the Bible for their own personal weirdness then I would totally agree with you.

As a couple examples the Methodist Church and I don't know if it's all of the members of the Methodist Church but I do know that there's a progressive group inside the Methodist Church that has Rewritten the Bible to neuter God. They've tried to take the masculinity out of the Bible so that Jesus is not the son and God is not the father.

Another group and I know it's not a Christian group it's more of a cult than anything is the Jehovah Witnesses or they have completely rearrange the Bible so it fits their message.

Now these type of examples are they're not really extreme cuz they're really happening but there are definitely things that I would really be upset with if it was in my church.

In the Catholic Church they use a combination of the writings of the Greek and the Hebrew in writing the Bible pretty much the way it should be done so if there's any real issues if it's anything it would be the scholars who write it down and figure it out try to translate it all.

I do understand that you got Catholic Scholars it's going to have the Catholic bent to it and you're going to have Protestant Scholars it'll have the Protestant bent to it. Those things of itself are not enough to condemn anyone because it's a matter of interpretation versus willfulness to change something

 

[Bill]

Dear Bill,

We cannot pick and choose what scripture we like and which we choose to ignore.

If someone proclaims this is right with scripture and it clearly isn't, we have a duty to tell them, but do it in love and confirm the errors are not scripture based using scripture to confirm it.

This is what we have done.

Blessings

Please don't make me laugh. Picking and choosing scripture for a person's own benefit happens all the time.

You do not have to go far to find that in Scripture. All you have to do is look at the devil when he's talking

 

[Bill]

Hi Bill

Here is a link, as promised, confirming the changes made to the 10 commandments by the RCC

Although this is from a web page I can confirm, as stated earlier in this thread that I have seen this myself.

It was in a catholic church were I used to live, painted on the stone, and had been there a long time. When I first looked at it, I knew something was wrong, I looked and looked and wondered, I read it numerous times and even counted the commands. It was the marriage of my son to a catholic girl, she was not a practicing catholic, my son an atheist, he only agreed like many, to get married.

Here are the changes

The Roman Catholic Church changed the Ten Commandments

There are other websites that show this, I chose it due to the way it is laid out, it is exactly what I have seen, more than once.

Scripture is clear, NOT ONE DOT OR TITTER IS TO BE CHANGED IN THE WORD. No clauses attached this is the message to all.

If you really want to get technical about everything stating that not one thing to be changed not one letter or not won anything should be changed from the scripture then why aren't we all not reading it in Greek and Hebrew.

Because it's darn near impossible to translate Hebrew into English the grammar is not correct.

Every time God says I in the Old Testament it's not pronounce i in English. We don't have a correct word for it. In English the word I is a singular noun , and the word I when God is talking in Hebrew is a singular plural noun . The closest you can get in English to a singular plural noun is this " I's "

 

[Brother-Paul]

Bill,

I cannot agree, I give you 10 out of 10 for trying. I have seen it more than once, it is in many.

Same as I have seen first hand the idol worship of Jesus figurine note: 'On the Cross' He is risen my friend and we are nor to worship idols, Jesus, Mary or any other.

We are going over old territory yet again, I have said what I have said many times, I have made clear what I have seen with my own eyes, I have, along with others, made clear so many errors in the RCC/CC, it seems no matter what you don't want to believe.

Enjoy your journey Bill, we part on good terms.

The Truth is in the Word, every word, every word breathed by God.

In Him and The Word I Trust.

Shalom

 

[Bill]

Bill,

I cannot agree, I give you 10 out of 10 for trying. I have seen it more than once, it is in many.

Same as I have seen first hand the idol worship of Jesus figurine note: 'On the Cross' He is risen my friend and we are nor to worship idols, Jesus, Mary or any other.

We are going over old territory yet again, I have said what I have said many times, I have made clear what I have seen with my own eyes, I have, along with others, made clear so many errors in the RCC/CC, it seems no matter what you don't want to believe.

Enjoy your journey Bill, we part on good terms.

The Truth is in the Word, every word, every word breathed by God.

In Him and The Word I Trust.

Shalom

Answer me one question, was Judas Iscariot name written in heaven?

 

[Bill]

Hi Bill

Here is a link, as promised, confirming the changes made to the 10 commandments by the RCC

Although this is from a web page I can confirm, as stated earlier in this thread that I have seen this myself.

It was in a catholic church were I used to live, painted on the stone, and had been there a long time. When I first looked at it, I knew something was wrong, I looked and looked and wondered, I read it numerous times and even counted the commands. It was the marriage of my son to a catholic girl, she was not a practicing catholic, my son an atheist, he only agreed like many, to get married.

Here are the changes

The Roman Catholic Church changed the Ten Commandments

There are other websites that show this, I chose it due to the way it is laid out, it is exactly what I have seen, more than once.

Scripture is clear, NOT ONE DOT OR TITTER IS TO BE CHANGED IN THE WORD. No clauses attached this is the message to all.

You really sink your own ship when it comes to this Scripture . About not one dot is to be changed.

What of the Seven books removed from the scriptures also known as the Apocrypha.

By what right and who's authority were they removed?

These books are also the inspired Word of God.

 

[Bill]

Alright , so Bro Paul and i hashed out this buisness of the Pope title.

It is not found in the Bible. And Jesus never says it cant be used. Little bit of a stalemate.

Bro Pauls old church had the Ten Commandments posted on the wall, evidently not written in Hebrew. And as anyone who knows Hebrew, not everything in it can translate to English. We just dont have the correct grammer for it. I guess the question is, if we can not get the correct translation, are we all in error ?

If we condemn the Catholics for scriptural errors, why do the Methodist get a pass. They have clearly violated the Bible by neutering God ( again i dont know if this is all the Methodist church, or a progressive branch )

 

[Reba1]

How about we put out the effort to correct Scriptural errors. When your kid tells well Johnny does it does that make it ok. When i hear my brother praying to Mary it is hard to be polite. Yes he prays to Mary . Another brother ( I have 3 ) is just as far out with his word of faith garbage. We can all make mistakes or errors. I doubt any one here is perfect with perfect understanding.. When a brother messes up he is to be brought before the church
Jesus said
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

There is a difference between being in error and being self-righteous.

 

[Bill]

How about we put out the effort to correct Scriptural errors. When your kid tells well Johnny does it does that make it ok. When i hear my brother praying to Mary it is hard to be polite. Yes he prays to Mary . Another brother ( I have 3 ) is just as far out with his word of faith garbage. We can all make mistakes or errors. I doubt any one here is perfect with perfect understanding.. When a brother messes up he is to be brought before the church
Jesus said
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

There is a difference between being in error and being self-righteous.

Prayer , what is prayer ? The first thing that comes to mind, to have a conversation with God.

But can we talk with those who have passed on before us. Even in Scripture, the answer is yes.

Remember, our bodies are only the Temple of the Holy Spirit. The vessel is only a container of who we really are.

Jesus tells us, Love God with all your mind, Love God with all your heart, Love God with all your spirit, Love God with all your strength.

Jesus is talking about us , the trinity we were created to be. Scripture says, we were created in the image of God.

But what examples can we find in scripture, of talking to those who are " in Heaven " before us.

Jesus talks with Moses and Elijah. And Jesus calls Lazarus back from the beyond.

Now i know some here try to make excuses for Jesus. " He is Jesus, and can do what He wants " Not At All. Jesus is bound by the Covenant with Moses. Jesus can not talk to those who are dead. But this death is not the physical death, it is the separation from God .

If it was only death of the body, Then neither prophets nor Jesus could ever raise up anyone.

Those who pass on before us, who have gone home with Jesus. They are very much alive.

 

[Reba1]

Wow