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Should I Always Forgive Everyone in Every Way?

That's because they had already repented, they only needed to believe.

In other places, eg , the apostle only says to repent and be baptized, because they already believed in Christ.

There is one place where they say salvation is a choice and that is .

From these examples we can see that the gospel is tailored towards the particular audience being spoken to.
In fact in the bible are a number of gospels, there is not really one thing called "the gospel".

James:

Yes, but how does your comment answer my question, which is, "What must I do to forgive?"

Are you saying God requires repentance before He fully forgives, and so I should require repentance before I fully forgive?

If you are, you might be right. For Jesus said:

"So watch yourselves. If a brother sins against you, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times a day and seven times says, 'I repent,' forgive him."

(Luke 17:3-4)

Or do you think Jesus is not saying we should forgive completely only if the one to be forgiven repents?
 
James:

Yes, but how does your comment answer my question, which is, "What must I do to forgive?"

Are you saying God requires repentance before He fully forgives, and so I should require repentance before I fully forgive?

If you are, you might be right. For Jesus said:

"So watch yourselves. If a brother sins against you, rebuke him. If he repents, forgive him. If he sins against you seven times a day and seven times says, 'I repent,' forgive him."

(Luke 17:3-4)

Or do you think Jesus is not saying we should forgive completely only if the one to be forgiven repents?

It only makes sense that God requires repentance or confession before He will forgive as shown by the example of Zacchaeus or the verses you posted. However if someone has already repented (by word or deed), then there is no point asking them to repent again, as many do in the name of "preaching the gospel".
 
It only makes sense that God requires repentance or confession before He will forgive as shown by the example of Zacchaeus or the verses you posted. However if someone has already repented (by word or deed), then there is no point asking them to repent again, as many do in the name of "preaching the gospel".

Yes, but what must I do to forgive?
 
Yes, but what must I do to forgive?

I thought it should have been obvious, to forgive someone is to not blame them, in your heart. It involves making a choice to not blame them (by exercising the will), exercising a loving/compassionate emotion towards them, and an intentional thought (that they are not to blame).
 
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I like to see the passages referred to in context.

Back to that in a minute..

First lets review ...

I said...


And Spockrates did his little twist....



Forgiveness is the choice to forgive because it is a decision you make. Once you have decided you wish to forgive in obedience to Christ, something you can actively do to help you stay firm to your choice to forgive is to pray for the one that wronged you.

Praying is not the forgiving. Praying for those that have wronged you is another of Jesus' commands and it really helps to affirm your decision to forgive and strengthen you to press on.



Regarding Jesus forgiving those that crucified him. The choice was made before He spoke the words.



Yes there is. It is the good news that salvation has come through Christ Jesus!


So back to the passages in Acts where folks were saved at Pentecost and the Philipian Jailer believed,...

All of them realize they had a need and asked pertinent questions. (Asking questions is a good thing when there are no ulterior motives.)

My apologies for misunderstanding. You see, I thought that making a choice to do something is not the same as following through with that choice or successfully doing what I chose to do. Is there ever anything you made a choice to do, yet still failed to do? There are many such choices for me, which is the source of guilt and regret.
 
A final thought...

Though the act of praying is not the choice to forgive, whist praying, you can make the choice to forgive. You can choose to forgive at anytime.

Yes, I think I understand, now. So the question remains: What must I do to forgive? Your answer is the same: Choose to forgive.

So please tell me: Do you believe choosing to do something is the same as doing it? Or are there things we choose to do that we never do?
 
Deut 29:4
Isaiah 6:9-10
Jeremiah 5:21
Ezekiel 12:2
Matthew 13:14-15
Luke 8:10
Acts 28:25
Romans 11:8-10
John 12:38-40
Mark 4:12

A few scriptures to meditate upon by all who have followed this thread, if you wish. Or... perhaps pontificate upon?

Just the musing of an old lady here...
 
Strypes,

Maybe this example will help you see why I'm so confused by your answer: Ask an abortion advocate and an anti-abortionist what abortion is. They might both answer, "Abortion is a choice."

If you ask, "What kind of choice?" The abortion advocate might say, "A choice for a woman to exercise her reproductive rights." The anti-abortionist might say, "A choice for a woman to not allow the painful killing of an innocent human being."

Now the abortion advocate and the anti-abortionist both believe abortion is a choice, but when asked what kind of a choice, one finds they mean different things by the word choice. Therefore, saying, "Abortion is a choice," while true, is far too vague to help the one asking understand what kind of a choice abortion is.

Perhaps then you might see why I'm having such difficulty understanding what you believe about how to forgive? When you say, "Forgiveness is a choice," it is no more helpful to me than the one who tells me, "Abortion is a choice." For I still don't know exactly what kind of a choice that is. Telling me, "It's a choice to forgive!" doesn't really help, when I don't know what forgiveness is.
 
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[h=3]What is forgiveness?[/h]Researchers who study forgiveness and its effects on our well-being and happiness are very specific about how they define forgiveness.
Psychologist Sonja Lyubomirsky calls forgiveness “a shift in thinking” toward someone who has wronged you, “such that your desire to harm that person has decreased and your desire to do him good (or to benefit your relationship) has increased.” Forgiveness, at a minimum, is a decision to let go of the desire for revenge and ill-will toward the person who wronged you. It may also include feelings of goodwill toward the other person. Forgiveness is also a natural resolution of the grief process, which is the necessary acknowledgment of pain and loss.

Researchers are very clear about what forgiveness is not:

Forgiveness is not the same as reconciliation.
Forgiveness is one person’s inner response to another’s perceived injustice. Reconciliation is two people coming together in mutual respect. Reconciliation requires both parties working together. Forgiveness is something that is entirely up to you. Although reconciliation may follow forgiveness, it is possible to forgive without re-establishing or continuing the relationship. The person you forgive may be deceased or no longer part of your life. You may also choose not to reconcile, perhaps because you have no reason to believe that a relationship with the other person is healthy for you.

Forgiveness is not forgetting. “Forgive and forget” seem to go together. However, the process of forgiving involves acknowledging to yourself the wrong that was done to you, reflecting on it, and deciding how you want to think about it. Focusing on forgetting a wrong might lead to denying or suppressing feelings about it, which is not the same as forgiveness. Forgiveness has taken place when you can remember the wrong that was done without feeling resentment or a desire to pursue revenge. Sometimes, after we get to this point, we may forget about some of the wrongs people have done to us. But we don’t have to forget in order to forgive.

Forgiveness is not condoning or excusing. Forgiveness does not minimize, justify, or excuse the wrong that was done. Forgiveness also does not mean denying the harm and the feelings that the injustice produced. And forgiveness does not mean putting yourself in a position to be harmed again. You can forgive someone and still take healthy steps to protect yourself, including choosing not to reconcile.
Forgiveness is not justice. It is certainly easier to forgive someone who sincerely apologizes and makes amends. However, justice—which may include acknowledgment of the wrong, apologies, punishment, restitution, or compensation—is separate from forgiveness. You may pursue your rights for justice with or without forgiving someone. And if justice is denied, you can still choose whether or not to forgive.

Forgiveness is a powerful choice you can make when it’s right for you that can lead to greater well-being and better relationships.

Sources
The How of Happiness, by Sonja Lyubomirsky
 
[h=3]What is forgiveness?[/h]Researchers who study forgiveness and its effects on our well-being and happiness are very specific about how they define forgiveness.
Psychologist Sonja Lyubomirsky calls forgiveness “a shift in thinking” toward someone who has wronged you, “such that your desire to harm that person has decreased and your desire to do him good (or to benefit your relationship) has increased.” Forgiveness, at a minimum, is a decision to let go of the desire for revenge and ill-will toward the person who wronged you. It may also include feelings of goodwill toward the other person. Forgiveness is also a natural resolution of the grief process, which is the necessary acknowledgment of pain and loss.

Researchers are very clear about what forgiveness is not:

Forgiveness is not the same as reconciliation.
Forgiveness is one person’s inner response to another’s perceived injustice. Reconciliation is two people coming together in mutual respect. Reconciliation requires both parties working together. Forgiveness is something that is entirely up to you. Although reconciliation may follow forgiveness, it is possible to forgive without re-establishing or continuing the relationship. The person you forgive may be deceased or no longer part of your life. You may also choose not to reconcile, perhaps because you have no reason to believe that a relationship with the other person is healthy for you.

Forgiveness is not forgetting. “Forgive and forget” seem to go together. However, the process of forgiving involves acknowledging to yourself the wrong that was done to you, reflecting on it, and deciding how you want to think about it. Focusing on forgetting a wrong might lead to denying or suppressing feelings about it, which is not the same as forgiveness. Forgiveness has taken place when you can remember the wrong that was done without feeling resentment or a desire to pursue revenge. Sometimes, after we get to this point, we may forget about some of the wrongs people have done to us. But we don’t have to forget in order to forgive.

Forgiveness is not condoning or excusing. Forgiveness does not minimize, justify, or excuse the wrong that was done. Forgiveness also does not mean denying the harm and the feelings that the injustice produced. And forgiveness does not mean putting yourself in a position to be harmed again. You can forgive someone and still take healthy steps to protect yourself, including choosing not to reconcile.
Forgiveness is not justice. It is certainly easier to forgive someone who sincerely apologizes and makes amends. However, justice—which may include acknowledgment of the wrong, apologies, punishment, restitution, or compensation—is separate from forgiveness. You may pursue your rights for justice with or without forgiving someone. And if justice is denied, you can still choose whether or not to forgive.

Forgiveness is a powerful choice you can make when it’s right for you that can lead to greater well-being and better relationships.

Sources
The How of Happiness, by Sonja Lyubomirsky

Grandma Mary:

Thanks for posting that. I think the author is saying that the answer to the question, "What must I do to forgive?" would be, "What you should do is to at least suppress the desire to seek revenge." Do you think the author is correct?
 
@Spockrates

It is best for me to not tell you what I think. However, if you are serious about following Jesus, you will get on your knees in prayer and you will break out your Bible in study, and you will willingly submit to the promptings of the Holy Spirit in the matters of forgiveness. Doesn't appear to me, and probably not to any of us who have participated, that you choose to understand in any way the issues of forgiveness.

I will not respond again to any post you make. Too frustrating to watch someone beat an issue and God's people to death with their choice to not understand. I suppose that is what "IGNORE" status is all about on forums. I always remember to make that choice later rather than sooner. I'm a slow learner sometimes.
 
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@Spockrates

It is best for me to not tell you what I think. However, if you are serious about following Jesus, you will get on your knees in prayer and you will break out your Bible in study, and you will willingly submit to the promptings of the Holy Spirit in the matters of forgiveness. Doesn't appear to me, and probably not to any of us who have participated, that you choose to understand in any way the issues of forgiveness.

I will not respond again to any post you make. Too frustrating to watch someone beat an issue and God's people to death with their choice to not understand. I suppose that is what "IGNORE" status is all about on forums. I always remember to make that choice later rather than sooner. I'm a slow learner sometimes.

I deeply regret offending you. I have prayed and God appears to be leading me to ask others my questions. To not do as he asks would be a sin, I think. So I cannot repent of what I believe to be God's will. But do you think I'm wrong?
 
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Grandma Mary:

Sorry for asking your opinion, again. I won't ask you any more questions. I appreciate what help you have provided. It is my sincere hope that God will provide for you as you have tried to provide for me. God bless.

:)
 
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You can choose to have an abortion or you can choose to not have an abortion.

The first choice would result in the death of the baby. The latter would result in a baby not being killed.

Pro abortionist would prefer you kill the child. Pro Life would prefer you didn't kill the child.


You can choose to forgive or you can choose to refuse to forgive.

The choice is yours.
 
It seems to me that the article that @grandmamary1219 posted for you says that forgiveness is a choice (says so twice).

This thread is now ten pages long. I will also be exiting this thread.

If you continue to address post to me I will not be responding.

If you want a different answer then ask a different question in a new thread.
 
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if you are serious about following Jesus, you will get on your knees in prayer and you will break out your Bible in study, and you will willingly submit to the promptings of the Holy Spirit in the matters of forgiveness.

Good advice
 
I thought it should have been obvious, to forgive someone is to not blame them, in your heart. It involves making a choice to not blame them (by exercising the will), exercising a loving/compassionate emotion towards them, and an intentional thought (that they are not to blame).

James:

My apologies for missing your post. It does sound obvious, but please allow me to consider the premise more carefully.

I now recall you mentioned that a few days ago (glad you returned, as we were making good progress, previously). Let me know if I'm not remembering correctly, but I believe I then asked you how I should refrain from showing blame. Should I not show blame with my emotions, only, or also with my words and deeds?

Your answer, if I recall accurately, is that I may indeed not show blame with words, thoughts and also deeds. Is this correct?
 
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You can choose to have an abortion or you can choose to not have an abortion.

The first choice would result in the death of the baby. The latter would result in a baby not being killed.

Pro abortionist would prefer you kill the child. Pro Life would prefer you didn't kill the child.


You can choose to forgive or you can choose to refuse to forgive.

The choice is yours.

Thank you for your reply and patience, Strypes.

:)

Now if I were to ask the anti-abortionist, "Exactly what kind if choice is abortion?" She might respectfully and gently say, "It's a choice to kill an unborn child, which is a choice you should not make."

And were I to ask the author Grandma Mary quoted, "Exactly what kind of choice is forgiveness?" the author might say, "It is a choice to not seek revenge."

And were I to ask our friend James in this discussion, "Exactly what kind of choice is forgiveness?" he might answer, "It is a choice to not show blame."

And I don't think the author and James disagree, though the answer of one might be more complete. And I don't think the author will be much help, as a written work is much like a painting (let me know if you don't know what I mean).

So now I wonder what your opinion is, Strypes. I wonder how you will answer the the question, "Exactly what kind of choice is forgiveness?"
 
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James:

My apologies for missing your post. It does sound obvious, but please allow me to consider the premise more carefully.

I now recall you mentioned that a few days ago (glad you returned, as we were making good progress, previously). Let me know if I'm not remembering correctly, but I believe I then asked you how I should refrain from showing blame. Should I not show blame with my emotions, only, or also with my words and deeds?

Your answer, if I recall accurately, is that I may indeed not show blame with words, thoughts and also deeds. Is this correct?

Your recollection is not entirely accurate , it is will (wish/desire), emotions (feeling), mind (thought). Refrain from showing blame can be done by an act of the will, a loving/compassionate emotion, and blameless thoughts.
 
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