Got a verse nullifying our "requirement" to love God above all else?
Sinless Perfection And The Truth That Sets You Free
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I don't know, and...I don't know.
But this I do know...God has provided everything we need to remain faithful to Him. (2 Peter 1:3-4)
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Uh....lol...that would be for the unbeliever..not that some is not as perfect as yo say!
Now -- what do You mean by Your comment? Being saved in or out of water? ----man's participation is not required.
I was just rereading "At Peaces' comment about confessions being made at the time of baptism -- (he Does have some 'interesting' beliefs) <sigh>
But your comment about 'man's participation is not required". What do you mean by That?
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Good morning @At Peace
Yes it is true we cant build a relationship with God that is built on lies.
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Can you provide scripture that backs up each part of your statement ?
Confession isnt a once only event. We are not perfected at baptism.
I was saved at 11 baptized at 14 but backslid in my 20's....I returned to the Lord, confessing my sin broken and repentant. The Lord was with me all through those back slidden days gently convicting me to return to Him.
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us oursins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John -:9
Sinners ARE unbelievers.
They don't believe they will end up in a lake of fire for "just stealing a cookie".
It is written..."For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." (2 Cor 7:10)
If one is truly sorry for their sins, they won't do them again.
To repent (turn from) one's repentance of sin (turn from sin) is manifested by more sin. That is the sorrow of the world.
I'm sorry you don't believe that baptism in Jesus' name washes away all our past sins. Making us perfectly clean. (Acts 2:38, 22:16)
And I'm sorry you don't believe that crucifixion into Christ and into His death, burial, and resurrection doesn't kill the old man and his Adamic nature. (Rom 6:3-6, Col 2:11-13)
Saved... without baptism, with a false "turn from" sin, and who knows how many years away from God.
You better recheck your thinking.
Had you died during your departure, you would not have been saved at the final judgement.
Sound like a suitable reason to continue walking in the light...as He is in the light.
And in the light/God, there is no sin.
I do appreciate your interest, and pray that God will open to you all the understandings necessary to remain in the light.
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I was saved at 11
My parents both unbelievers would not allow me to be baptized until I was 14
I was no less saved for not being baptized.
Your attitude is so self righteous and judgemental.....not in any way Christlike
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This is what I think and I am only answering from my perspective and what I glean from scripture:
- Confession and being saved can be done at baptism and, if done with earnest, it is a beautiful thing any many people come to the Maker during this event. I am in now way questioning the
- But, this is not always, because many don't feel saved or question if the ultimate change took place.
- When your Born Again there is no doubting, at least this is what I have found.
- The works of Jesus ( being God) are holy and righteous.He is the only one that has had and can have works that are pleasing to God.
I would say that depends on the situation and a decision made by God and not by man....lol, think cookies are safe with Christians.
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There are several types of "baptisms". There is "baptized by one Spirit into one body", "water baptism", and the "baptism of the holy Spirit". None of these are the same. When a person confess's Jesus to be their Lord, and believes God has raised him from the dead,(Romans 10:9) that person is "baptized by one Spirit into one body". After salvation it is a good idea to be "water baptized" which is just an outward sign to others of what you have done in accepting Jesus as your savior. Then there is there is "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" which is when the Holy Spirit comes upon a person for service. In God's eyes there is only "one" baptism" , but there three "instances" to this one baptism.
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Water baptism does not save a person from hell, nor does it give a person eternal life, but it does save us "...by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience....." when a person gets "saved", and if they are not water baptized they will always wonder in their mind if they should be water baptized. Doing so will "clear their conscience" and not think about it again.
1Peter 3:21 And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (AMP)
1Peter 3:21 And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (AMP)
@ At Peace -- the only reason a person will end up in the lake of fire and brimstone is because they have not accepted God's way to stay Out of it.
@ Born Again 2004 -- what do You mean by "a decision made by God and not man". Baptism by immersion is showing other people the decision that has already been made in your heart. The person has already accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior -- we are showing others that we believe that Jesus died on the cross, was buried and rose again after 3 days.
Being a born-again believer should Not be based on our feelings. Some times a person will 'feel' saved and sometimes Not. Our salvation needs to be based on what Scripture says. That Jesus Christ is God's Son, that He died and was buried and rose again after 3 days. All according to what Scripture tells us. We believe in our heart and confess with our mouth, the Lord Jesus. Realizing that we Need salvation. And Why we need it. Thanking God for what He has done For us -- in our place - through Jesus Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus is telling us that "I am the Way,the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but through Me."
There should not be any question about the ultimate change has really taken place. We Can know that we have eternal life. The Holy Spirit will give us a real inner peace that no one can take away. And people will see the fruits of the Spirit in our lives.
@ Born Again 2004 -- what do You mean by "a decision made by God and not man". Baptism by immersion is showing other people the decision that has already been made in your heart. The person has already accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior -- we are showing others that we believe that Jesus died on the cross, was buried and rose again after 3 days.
Being a born-again believer should Not be based on our feelings. Some times a person will 'feel' saved and sometimes Not. Our salvation needs to be based on what Scripture says. That Jesus Christ is God's Son, that He died and was buried and rose again after 3 days. All according to what Scripture tells us. We believe in our heart and confess with our mouth, the Lord Jesus. Realizing that we Need salvation. And Why we need it. Thanking God for what He has done For us -- in our place - through Jesus Christ.
John 14:6 Jesus is telling us that "I am the Way,the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but through Me."
There should not be any question about the ultimate change has really taken place. We Can know that we have eternal life. The Holy Spirit will give us a real inner peace that no one can take away. And people will see the fruits of the Spirit in our lives.
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- Mr. Peace appears to be conflicted with what he thinks ( man) about sin and what really matters and, that is what God thinks! My reply was based on a previous response by Mr. Peace regarding "sinners are unbelievers" and the "stealing" of cookies. The talk , from man, about sinners, believers / unbelievers does not count, they are like filthy rags.....it is what God determines and he makes the ultimate decision who is worthy and saved or unsaved! After he makes the decision who enters his realm!
- Again, from my perspective ,Baptism is and can be a beautiful thing but it is not a requirement for salvation. I think many are actually are saved during this ceremony because it is a change in attitude towards God that takes place and not the water. Many are not saved going into the water or out of it. At this time, because they actually don't believe. I have had Baptist tell me if they were not saved the first baptism, they should keep on trying , until they are. After being saved and you want to be Baptized, to show man an outward expression of an inner incident, I am not questioning that. Many are truly saved and never get wet....I may be wrong, but I suspect God knows who truly believes in him and water for him is not required. Also, God clearly says we are saved by Grace and not by works, or we could boast. I personally, think that to be Baptized, requires the too much participation by man and is perilously close to works.
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The thief on the cross was not baptized in water, and Jesus told him he would be with him in paradise.
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For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life
John 3:16
And the witness is this. that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God. in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:11-12
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus*
*Lowry 18th centuary hymn
John 3:16
And the witness is this. that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God. in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:11-12
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus*
*Lowry 18th centuary hymn
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Pretty simple Sister, you don't have to be water baptized to be saved. There is such a thing as being baptized by the Spirit that can happen with out ceremony!
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No sir and I don't expect you to understand!
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Yes Sister....
- You can be Born Again by the Holy Spirit outside of water.
- Water Baptism is a ceremony led, managed and conducted by man's participation... Your personal salvation does not require man's works!
Is baptism man's work or God's? If John the baptist was required to baptize by water it must be a requirement no? After all whatever God speaks as necessary must come back to Him fruitful. It was after all purposed for Christ and John to fulfill all righteousness and this righteousness is the Father's will, no?
Isn't it the baptism by the Spirit that automatically happens at the moment Of salvation? There's been confusion relating to 'baptism' OF or IN the the Holy Spirit and the term 'a second-blessing' is associated with baptism OF the Holy Spirit.
I was looking it up the other day -- I get confused as to what a person is talking about and the 'second-blessing'.
Back in your post #215 -- it sounded like you are saying that when a person Does go through baptism by immersion -- even if they aren't actually 'saved' at the time, that their heart attitude Can actually be changed Through that activity and That Could be their time of actual salvation. And I supposed that Could happen. And a lot of people Do get baptized the 2nd time because they realized that the 1st time, they had not actually Been a believer. So the 2nd time -- the salvation and baptism are in the right order -- they are showing everyone present that they Now are really saved. That actually Did happen to me. I was baptized with a group of kids at church youth camp. I'd had a great Head knowledge of salvation, but realized After being baptized that I hadn't applied my knowledge to my Heart. So several of us --having made the same realization -- asked to be rebaptized and pastor agreed to do so.
As for a person -- a Baptist -- saying that if the baptism by immersion doesn't 'take' the first time, keep on trying. There's a Baptist preacher somewhere who is not teaching correctly. Granted, there Are some people who are very emotional. They are apparently basing their salvation on how they felt at the time of their salvation. When their emotional 'high' is Over -- they don't 'feel' 'saved' any more. They don't experience that same 'emotional high' at the time of their being baptized, so they 'keep on trying' to get that 'high'. A pastor needs to teach otherwise. And maybe it's a Pentecostal preacher who's promoting that. There's a difference between Pentecostal and Baptist.
And maybe That's the problem -- people equate Pentecostalism with being Baptist. Emotionalism with salvation. But that can probably happen in any church with any person. I'm , by nature, not that much of an openly emotional person.
And I don't mean to be 'knocking' Pentecostal churches. I simply don't hold to their beliefs.
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