Sinless Perfection And The Truth That Sets You Free

[At Peace]

Another comment regarding non-believers -- how do believers share the Gospel unto salvation with unbelievers if we refuse to have any contact with them. And That will include conversation with them. And what about family, relatives, neighbors who are non-believers. Do we refrain from conversing with them? Aren't we supposed to be showing Christ-like love to them so that they will be attracted to Christ through us and maybe accept Him as Savior as a result.

It must be difficult to explain Christ to non-believers when "we" are acting like devils...eh?
Thankfully, we have been given every thing necessary to remain in the light, wherein is no darkness-sin.
"We" will show by our lives what Christianity is.
If the unbeliever wants what "we" have, he will inquire about it.

 

[At Peace]

I can not help but think to myself that if someone was perfect first they would never ever claim to be perfect because that would be prideful

Some times you have to answer questions about "the doctrine which is according to Godliness", and the answer must be honest.

. Second we could easily see if a person was perfect because I would have to think they would spend most of there time in the prayer request section encouraging and praying for people seeking prayers. Seems some people never go there they just like to argue and cause strife certainly not a characteristic of what I would call perfect.

I suppose that the ones who stand on the corner shouting to God are demonstrating your brand of perfection?
We can pray for the needy without letting others know our hopes for others.

I can not help but think only a sinner would run around boasting how perfect they are and how everyone else is a child of the devil. A perfect person would never make accusations of that kind to other people they would always encourage people.

If the scriptures I use unsettle you, I must wonder how the Spirit must make you feel.

Luckily for us we have a loving caring God who has sent his son to die for us so all of us can come to him and repent from our sinful ways and be forgiven and continue to grow in our faith and walk with Christ knowing one day we will become so much more then we are now while we live in the flesh which by nature is sinful. God goes the glory

Jesus came to conquer sin, while in the flesh. (Rom 8:3-4)
I hope your life illustrate that.

 

[At Peace]

" He slipped a bit" is my exact point! Job was not perfect by Mr. Peace's definition...perfection with out one blemish or flaw, 24/7. But, those, who have Jesus in them, though they "slip" up once in awhile, are perfect by God's standards which, of course, is derived from being a believer! As far as I have determined from Mr. Peace himself, he never "slips up"!

Job was an OT man, and couldn't "crucify the flesh" with Christ, as we can.
He couldn't be reborn of Godly, incorruptible seed.

It is written..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)
And..."He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him." ((1 John 2:10)

 

[At Peace]

Only those who are not children of God will not know their destination until the final judgement. All born again believers already know they are saved by the Word of their testimony, and the blood of the lamb.

What if that "testimony" includes sin?

1Jn 5:13 I write this to you who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) the name of the Son of God [in the peculiar services and blessings conferred by Him on men], so that you may know [with settled and absolute knowledge] that you [already] have life, yes, eternal life.

I would think that if one "believed in the name of Christ", he would live according to the Son of God's commands.
Remaining obedient to God is indeed the factor by which we will be judged.
It is written..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)

 

[Curtis]

What if that "testimony" includes sin?

Confessing sin would also be part of a Christians "testimony"

 

[Curtis]

"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us,

The time is now were God is judging his children in this life. If a believer does wrong the Lord God in this life chastises, and corrects those who belong to him.

Heb 12:6 For the Lord corrects and disciplines everyone whom He loves, and He punishes, even scourges, every son whom He accepts and welcomes to His heart and cherishes.
Heb 12:7 You must submit to and endure [correction] for discipline; God is dealing with you as with sons. For what son is there whom his father does not [thus] train and correct and discipline?
Heb 12:8 Now if you are exempt from correction and left without discipline in which all [of God's children] share, then you are illegitimate offspring and not true sons [at all].

 

[Curtis]

What if that "testimony" includes sin?

You can bet your life the "blood" would be required to over come because without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin!
If there was no sin, then there would be no need for the blood!

 

[Sue D.]

Job was an OT man, and couldn't "crucify the flesh" with Christ, as we can.
He couldn't be reborn of Godly, incorruptible seed.

It is written..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)
And..."He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him." ((1 John 2:10)

Abraham was Also and O.T. man. He believed in God and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. Hebrews 11 -- the 'by faith' chapter. The O.T. people looked ahead To the cross as the prophets foretold would take place.
Genesis 15:6 "Abram believed the Lord, and He credited it to him as righteousness." Abram referred to the Lord as "O Sovereign Lord...."

It's placing our faith in Christ's shed blood on the cross / His bodily resurrection after 3 days. The O.T. animal sacrifices offered yearly by the priest were looking forward to the Final sacrifice of the Perfect Lamb of God -- those animal sacrifices had to be animals without blemish / spotless. The people actually living in the time of Christ -- were there to watch the crucifixion and hear of His bodily resurrection -- not all of Them believed. And now - in 'these days' -- we have the written Word of God and lots of people Still don't believe /accept what happened back then.

Without the risen Savior to place our faith in, we have Nothing.

Everyone is reborn the same way -- placing their faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross -- back then and Now.

By faith -- Abraham obeyed God's leading -- called him to the promised land. Abraham and Sarah gave birth to Isaac Isaac and Rebekah gave birth to Jacob and Esau --- Jacob produced 12 sons = Israel and the 12 tribes and Judah was one of those sons -- the line through which Christ was born. Christ's birth was predicted in Isaiah 7:14 and fulfilled in Matthew 1:23 "Immanuel = God with us.

And David was a man after God's own heart. As was Moses. King Solomon was one of the greatest -- wisest kings. He was very young when he became king and asked God for wisdom in leading His people and God rewards him by giving him above and beyond what he'd asked for.

 

[Sue D.]

What if that "testimony" includes sin?


I would think that if one "believed in the name of Christ", he would live according to the Son of God's commands.
Remaining obedient to God is indeed the factor by which we will be judged.
It is written..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)

No one is 'saved' by keeping the Ten Commandments.

Of course a person's testimony will include 'sin'. What our life was Before we came to Christ and what's it's been like Since we came to Him. A believer will be 'judged' by what they've done for God since their salvation. God Does have 'good works' for us to do. We gain crowns for various things. and we Loose crowns that we might have had when we Don't do those things. But we'll be laying those crowns at the Savior's feet. But those 'works' for God are Not to preserve our salvation. Part of Ephesians 2:8 - 9 says 'not of works, lest any one should boast.' If any works on our part helped us get saved -- then we could boast that we 'were in church every Sunday' or 'I gave So much money to help support the church' -- or I helped x number of people get saved. or 'I lived a perfect life, so I Really merit salvation'.

The Gospel unto salvation is that all would hear and repent and accept Christ as Savior.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Job was an OT man, and couldn't "crucify the flesh" with Christ, as we can.
He couldn't be reborn of Godly, incorruptible seed.

It is written..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)
And..."He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him." ((1 John 2:10)

Why is it that everyone here rejects your self proclaimed perfection....are you the only one here going to Heaven?

 

[At Peace]

Confessing sin would also be part of a Christians "testimony"

It is, if the confession is done at baptism. (Matt 3:6, Mk 1:5)
Confession after that just manifests a prior false repentance from sin.
We can't build a realationship with God that is based on lies.

 

[At Peace]

You can bet your life the "blood" would be required to over come because without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin!
If there was no sin, then there would be no need for the blood!

"...If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Heb 6:6)
How many times must Christ "bleed" for you?

 

[At Peace]

Abraham was Also and O.T. man. He believed in God and it was accounted unto him as righteousness. Hebrews 11 -- the 'by faith' chapter. The O.T. people looked ahead To the cross as the prophets foretold would take place.
Genesis 15:6 "Abram believed the Lord, and He credited it to him as righteousness." Abram referred to the Lord as "O Sovereign Lord...."

Yes, Abraham never disobeyed God.

It's placing our faith in Christ's shed blood on the cross / His bodily resurrection after 3 days. The O.T. animal sacrifices offered yearly by the priest were looking forward to the Final sacrifice of the Perfect Lamb of God -- those animal sacrifices had to be animals without blemish / spotless. The people actually living in the time of Christ -- were there to watch the crucifixion and hear of His bodily resurrection -- not all of Them believed. And now - in 'these days' -- we have the written Word of God and lots of people Still don't believe /accept what happened back then.

So sad...eh?

Without the risen Savior to place our faith in, we have Nothing.
Everyone is reborn the same way -- placing their faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross -- back then and Now.

Yes, and Romans 6:3-6 explains it perfectly.

By faith -- Abraham obeyed God's leading -- called him to the promised land. Abraham and Sarah gave birth to Isaac Isaac and Rebekah gave birth to Jacob and Esau --- Jacob produced 12 sons = Israel and the 12 tribes and Judah was one of those sons -- the line through which Christ was born. Christ's birth was predicted in Isaiah 7:14 and fulfilled in Matthew 1:23 "Immanuel = God with us.
And David was a man after God's own heart. As was Moses. King Solomon was one of the greatest -- wisest kings. He was very young when he became king and asked God for wisdom in leading His people and God rewards him by giving him above and beyond what he'd asked for.

All wonderful presages of what was to come.
God rewards us too, by giving us above and beyond what we ask for.
For instance...It is written..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
He gives us an escape from every temptation!
Thank you God!

 

[Curtis]

How many times must Christ "bleed" for you?

How many times did Jesus say to forgive?

 

[Curtis]

Confession after that just manifests a prior false repentance from sin.

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[Born Again 2004]

It is, if the confession is done at baptism. (Matt 3:6, Mk 1:5)
Confession after that just manifests a prior false repentance from sin.
We can't build a realationship with God that is based on lies.

No, one can be saved in or out of water...man's participation is not required!

 

[amadeus2]

Why is it that everyone here rejects your self proclaimed perfection....are you the only one here going to Heaven?

If we all do then likely we are all wrong because of our lack of charity. How important is perfect knowledge when we have no charity? [see I Cor 13]
Charity is so great that without it no matter what we may think, we are as sounding brass; we are nothing; and we receive no profit.

 

[Born Again 2004]

If we all do then likely we are all wrong because of our lack of charity. How important is perfect knowledge when we have no charity? [see I Cor 13]
Charity is so great that without it no matter what we may think, we are as sounding brass; we are nothing; and we receive no profit.

Sorry, I thought I was talking to Mr. Peace?

 

[At Peace]

How many times did Jesus say to forgive?

God's forgiveness will not be evidenced on the wicked at the last judgement.

 

[At Peace]

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

All praise and glory to God...
As you have posted a verse that says we CAN be free from all sin, I exhort you to remain in the light from henceforth!.
Keep manifesting the owner of the seed from which you were reborn.
It isn't impossible.