Sinless Perfection And The Truth That Sets You Free

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

How do you define upset?.

one could ask, how do you define 'go to heaven' and while at it, who gets to go to heaven and why... and of course, who says so?

Can you see how questions, like yours and mine can be wonderful opportunities to dig a little deeper in the Bible and to grow together in grace and the knowledge of Him Who gave Himself a ransom... for our sin.

I suppose one question might be asked which is sort of connected,
what does it mean to not perish, as per John 3:16?

thank you for sharing those verses. Do they all talk about the same heaven you were referring to or could some be referring to something different?


and, thank you for your compliment about my awesome insight. I can't say it is all that good, but thank you nonetheless.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Born Again 2004]

suppose one question might be asked which is sort of connected,
what does it mean to not perish, as per John 3:16?

The question would be by some, what does it mean to you?

thank you for sharing those verses. Do they all talk about the same heaven you were referring to or could some be referring to something different?

• They do to me
• What do say it is!

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I am not sure what you mean by this?

The question would be by some, what does it mean to you?

I wrote:
Br. Bear said:
thank you for sharing those verses. Do they all talk about the same heaven you were referring to or could some be referring to something different?
to which you reply:

• They do to me

• What do say it is!

to which i say that I am glad they do and the next line indicates that perhaps you should slow down a bit.
However, the reason I asked about the verses you presented is because a couple appear to be talking about the sky and/or the sky and stars etc, which in my mind is a bit different from what I thought heaven is, as in the abode of God as you might suggest?

The heavens declare the glory of God;the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Day after day they pour forth speech night after night they reveal knowledge.
Psalm 19:1-2

There is a time for everything,and a season for every activity under the heavens.
Ecclesiastes 3:1

Ah, Sovereign Lord, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is too hard for you.
Jeremiah 32:17

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
Genesis 1:1-2

Bless you ....><>

 

[Born Again 2004]

Greetings,

I am not sure what you mean by this?


I wrote:
Br. Bear said:
thank you for sharing those verses. Do they all talk about the same heaven you were referring to or could some be referring to something different?
to which you reply:


to which i say that I am glad they do and the next line indicates that perhaps you should slow down a bit.
However, the reason I asked about the verses you presented is because a couple appear to be talking about the sky and/or the sky and stars etc, which in my mind is a bit different from what I thought heaven is, as in the abode of God as you might suggest?




Bless you ....><>

Heaven is the presence of God....The opposite is Hell or the absence of God....both are for eternity!

 

[Born Again 2004]

However, the reason I asked about the verses you presented is because a couple appear to be talking about the sky and/or the sky and stars etc, which in my mind is a bit different from what I thought heaven is, as in the abode of God as you might suggest?

All of God's creating!

to which i say that I am glad they do and the next line indicates that perhaps you should slow down a bit.

Slow down?...slow down from what? All I am doing is answering your stated questions ( comments) and being astonished at such a leader of TJ seems to be questioning what the Bible says about Heaven....not a single scripture but in totality!

 

[At Peace]

• No one here is defending sin, you are the only one bringing that up. JUST like God, we hate the sin but love the sinner! We love you!

• And I love you too.
• But to allow folks to continue walking in sin would show me remiss.
• 
  

• The sin that is at issue is willful or deliberate or one who practices sin. That the Bible refers to:
  [*]John 8: 34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.
  
  [*]Hebrews 10:26 (KJV) 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
  
  [*]Hebrews 10:26 (NIV) 26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
  [*]None of us sin deliberately, willfully or practice it....but in some way we might sin.

• Care to elaborate?
  How does one commit sin accidentally?
• According to James, in James 1:14-15, all sin requires enticement, temptation, lust, and conception.
• After all that, how can a sin be accidental?
• 
  

• When we die and go to Heaven...we don't make it there because we are sinless, we make it there because Jesus is inside us!
  [*]When you make it to Heaven, I suppose ( unlike the rest of us), you will make it there completely sinless and with Jesus inside you. If that does happen, you will be one unique individual.... perfect as Jesus..

Is "sinless" different than "obedient"?
No disobedient folks are going to heaven.

Thankfully, God has made it possible to be obedient till the redemption of our vessels.

 

[Br. Bear]

• And I love you too.

• But to allow folks to continue walking in sin would show me remiss.

Hosea 2:19 And I will betroth thee unto Me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto Me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

Psalms 40:11 Withhold not Thou Thy tender mercies from me, O LORD: let Thy lovingkindness and Thy truth continually preserve me.

Jeremiah 31:3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Psalms 51:1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to Thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of Thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

Isaiah 54:10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but My kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of My peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.

Psalms 42:7-8 Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of Thy waterspouts: all Thy waves and Thy billows are gone over me. Yet the LORD will command His lovingkindness in the daytime, and in the night His song shall be with me, and my prayer unto the God of my life.

Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other. Psalm 85:10

 

[Born Again 2004]

• And I love you too.
• But to allow folks to continue walking in sin would show me remiss.
• 
  
• Care to elaborate?
  How does one commit sin accidentally?
• According to James, in James 1:14-15, all sin requires enticement, temptation, lust, and conception.
• After all that, how can a sin be accidental?

Is "sinless" different than "obedient"?
No disobedient folks are going to heaven.

Thankfully, God has made it possible to be obedient till the redemption of our vessels.

Sure, you either don't understand or can't because it doesn't work with your theology, even to the point of continually twisting scripture to satisfy your need to be right!

 

[At Peace]

Sure, you either don't understand or can't because it doesn't work with your theology, even to the point of continually twisting scripture to satisfy your need to be right!

Not sure what exactly you are referring to, but if you think that obedience to God is a heresy, I can be of no help to you.

 

[Dave M]

Not sure what exactly you are referring to, but if you think that obedience to God is a heresy, I can be of no help to you.

what a odd thing to say to BA because you and him have known each other for sometime, and I know by his history of posting here as well he Loves God and has never suggested such a thing. wonder why someone claiming to be perfect would be so cynical in your reply at least it appears that way on the internet. May God come into heart at Peice and open your eyes in Jesus name I pray for you.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Not sure what exactly you are referring to, but if you think that obedience to God is a heresy, I can be of no help to you.

Never thought about needing your help....go in peace!

 

[Bendito]

Sinless Perfection is heresy!
When heresy is used today with reference to Christianity, it denotes the formal denial or doubt of a core doctrine of the Christian faith as defined by one or more of the Christian Churches.
A person who promotes his / her ability to be sinless, commits heresy against the church. They often quote many scriptures to support their claim but in error, which holds them in bondage to their lack of understanding of what a human is as compared to God.
One of the often quoted scriptures reveals their error, is in John 8. Specifically John 8: 32-34 pertains to truth and practicing sin...anyone who practices sin.
Jesus is not saying that the truth will set you free from sinning, it will set you free from the consequence of sin. And certainly Christians do not purposely or practice sin. Romans 8:1.

Consider....Every Christian, I mean EVERY Christian is at a different place in his growth/ learning in the anointing. So when a person says. "I am a Christian, therefore I cannot sin." He is NOT committing heresy at all... Heresy is the deliberate choice to stand against the Word. The Christian who thinks he cannot sin is not in the same place you are. He is deceived to a point and cannot see the truth. Other Christians think that they have a sinful nature, not realizing that the one with a sinful nature died...then was reborn with the very DNA and nature of God, and having old ways of thinking and old habits to overcome.
You have to realize that growth is not instant and it is not automatic. By making the statement that the one who thinks he is incapable of sinning to any degree is a heretic, you judge wrongly. Check yourself. Get the log out of your own eye before...

The fact is we are dead to sin, we do not have to sin, and we can avoid it any time at all...We have to be quick on the draw to recognize it before we step into it, but we DO have the choice to sin or not now.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Consider....Every Christian, I mean EVERY Christian is at a different place in his growth/ learning in the anointing. So when a person says. "I am a Christian, therefore I cannot sin." He is NOT committing heresy at all... Heresy is the deliberate choice to stand against the Word. The Christian who thinks he cannot sin is not in the same place you are. He is deceived to a point and cannot see the truth. Other Christians think that they have a sinful nature, not realizing that the one with a sinful nature died...then was reborn with the very DNA and nature of God, and having old ways of thinking and old habits to overcome.
You have to realize that growth is not instant and it is not automatic. By making the statement that the one who thinks he is incapable of sinning to any degree is a heretic, you judge wrongly. Check yourself. Get the log out of your own eye before...

The fact is we are dead to sin, we do not have to sin, and we can avoid it any time at all...We have to be quick on the draw to recognize it before we step into it, but we DO have the choice to sin or not now.

• Great thing about TJ, everyone has an opinion.
• Heresy is a belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.
• Heresy is an opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted.
  

 

[Bendito]

• Great thing about TJ, everyone has an opinion.
• Heresy is a belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (especially Christian) doctrine.
• Heresy is an opinion profoundly at odds with what is generally accepted.

As I said. Deliberate

 

[Born Again 2004]

As I said. Deliberate

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[Bendito]

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Read what I wrote above...Heresy is deliberately subscribing to a teaching that is opposite to the Word. An opinion can be a deliberate decision to believe

 

[Born Again 2004]

Read what I wrote above...Heresy is deliberately subscribing to a teaching that is opposite to the Word. An opinion can be a deliberate decision to believe

Like I said a belief or opinion!

 

[Bendito]

Like I said a belief or opinion!

As you wish

 

[amadeus2]

As I said. Deliberate

In other words just being wrong in our belief and our walk is not in itself heretical, but deliberately going against what we know or believe to right would be.

 

[Bendito]

In other words just being wrong in our belief and our walk is not in itself heretical, but deliberately going against what we know or believe to right would be.

Right!! Thank you Amadeus One does not just 'Oops' and fall into heresy.