Sinless Perfection And The Truth That Sets You Free

[Dave M]

Paul the Apostle said

Philippians 3:12
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.

Even the great Paul says he is not perfect, we can not find one person other then Jesus in the bible that is claims to be perfect or that is perfect.

 

[Dave M]

this is a fantastic video on the very subject that I beleive is spot on, would love to here @At Peace and others thoughts on it I really think you might like it,

 

[Sue D.]

this is a fantastic video on the very subject that I beleive is spot on, would love to here @At Peace and others thoughts on it I really think you might like it,

I was listening for a while -- the part where he was commenting about the men after God's own heart -- David being one of them. And Paul and Moses. Those are the ones I can remember. They were far from sinless perfection. The point was that God can use us in Spite of our pasts.

Maybe we don't take God's Word seriously enough. And 'resist the devil and he will flee from us' -- however, even though we Can have victory over sin -- satan knows how to make our human weaknesses look Very attractive. If sin was ugly we wouldn't have any problem resisting it. But satan knows how to appeal to our 5 senses and if he doesn't succeed in one way, he'll go another way.

And, Society / educational institutions, ridicule God / His Word / anyone who voices anything positive about Christianity. So is it any wonder that lots of people / Christians included / aren't that upset with 'sin'. No one really gets reprimanded for 'sinning' these days. Not even in churches. Lots of churches don't teach God's Word these days.

We Are to seek God's face -- we Are to live each day by putting God 1st. We Need to have High goals to aim at.

Maybe our 'aim' should be to reach our 'neighbor' for Christ. Live our lives in a way that will attract people to Christ. As Christ-like as possible. Showing people Godly love.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Greetings again,

I would rather someone coming here (TalkJesus) and encouraging me and all others, members and guests, to cease from sin, to turn from it and if need be, repent, than for someone to come and encourage me or entice me or anyone else to sin.

So far, I have yet to meet someone I agree with fully on all points of theology and yet i have had the undeserved honour to meet and learn from many who know that we are called to One Body and the Head is Christ.. that by grace we are saved... men who want to be part of God's plan of His loving kindness towards man... and do so even if there are differing takes that often develop into different takes again over time.... but the Lord remains the same as He was and as He will be.

The Bible and every Scripture given is not a theology.

We are not called and chosen to be theologists and philosophers. Sure, we can engage in that but again, give me one man who will remind us all to cease from sin over ten thousand who would promote it.

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Perhaps this message written 100 years ago is still something we need to remember?
May it melt our hearts more that we may love more, Him Who first loved us.

"... to give His life a ransom for many" (Matthew 20:28)

You have heard sometimes about hell being let loose. Yes, but hear this.
Come to Caiaphas' palace on the passover night, and look at this. "Then did they spit in His face, and buffeted Him: they blindfolded Him and then they smote Him with the palms of their hands, saying: Prophesy to us, Thou Christ, who is it that smote Thee?
And they stripped Him, and put on Him a scarlet robe. And when they had platted a crown of thorns"--I wonder in what sluggard's garden it grew!--"they put it upon His head, and a reed in His right hand; and they bowed the knee before Him and mocked Him, saying: Hail! King of the Jews! And they spit upon Him again, and took the reed out of His hand, and smote Him upon the head. Then Pilate took Jesus and scourged Him. After which they brought Jesus forth wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe. And when the Chief Priests saw Jesus, they cried out, Crucify Him! crucify Him! Then Pilate delivered Him to them to be crucified . "

My brethren,--these are dreadful, most dreadful, things. And all the time, God Almighty, the God and Father of Jesus Christ, restrained Himself, He held Himself in, and sat as still as a stone, seeing and hearing all that.
The arrest, the trial, the buffeting, the spitting, the jesting and the jeering, the bloody scourging, the crown of thorns, the reed, and the purple robe--Why? In the name of amazement, why did the Judge of all the earth sit still and see all that said and done?
Do you know what made Him sit still? Did you ever think about it?
And would you like to be told how it could be? God Almighty, my brethren, not only sat still, but He ordained it all; and His Son endured it all, --in order to take away sin.

Alexander Whyte


Bless you ....><>

Who here promotes sin?

 

[Born Again 2004]

this is a fantastic video on the very subject that I beleive is spot on, would love to here @At Peace and others thoughts on it I really think you might like it,

It's what I believe!

 

[At Peace]

Paul the Apostle said

Philippians 3:12
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own.

Even the great Paul says he is not perfect, we can not find one person other then Jesus in the bible that is claims to be perfect or that is perfect.

Paul mentions exactly what he had yet to attain in verse 11.."If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."
This is also manifested in verse 21...."Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." (Phil 3:21)

 

[At Peace]

this is a fantastic video on the very subject that I beleive is spot on, would love to here @At Peace and others thoughts on it I really think you might like it,
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This video was like a car ride over hilly terrain.
The preacher would describe righteousness, then supply the ways and means to ignore it.
"Be clean"...."but we can never be clean".
I wish he had ended the sermon with the way God supplied to remain sinless.

 

[Dave M]

Paul mentions exactly what he had yet to attain in verse 11.."If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead."
This is also manifested in verse 21...."Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." (Phil 3:21)

we do not become perfect until or resurrected bodies if you were perfect now what in the world will you call it when you have a new glorified body more perfect LOL Just keep on loving Jesus will talk more about it in heaven

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Who here promotes sin?

I do not think anyone here promotes sin.
Some may admit to struggling with a particular sin .........but thats not promotion nor enticement to sin.

 

[Born Again 2004]

this is a fantastic video on the very subject that I beleive is spot on, would love to here @At Peace and others thoughts on it I really think you might like it,

I especially like the part where the Preacher said " there had been no one in the Bible, other than Jesus, that was perfect. You think of all the notable people in the Bible, many, for sure where representing God directly and none were perfect...not one!

 

[Dave M]

This video was like a car ride over hilly terrain.
The preacher would describe righteousness, then supply the ways and means to ignore it.
"Be clean"...."but we can never be clean".
I wish he had ended the sermon with the way God supplied to remain sinless.

thanks for your reply I appreciate you watching it, hope you have a wonderful evening

 

[Sue D.]

This video was like a car ride over hilly terrain.
The preacher would describe righteousness, then supply the ways and means to ignore it.
"Be clean"...."but we can never be clean".
I wish he had ended the sermon with the way God supplied to remain sinless.

The thing Is -- that no person on this earth -- save the Son of God -- or in the very , very beginning with Adam and Eve -- After they sinned -- No one will Be sinless or remain sinless. Because After Adam and Eve -- we've all been born with the propensity For sinning. Something as simple as glancing over at someone else's paper for the right answer. Of course, I don't even know if That is possible these days. What with all the technology. Everything being done on computer -- probably no paper to take a peek at. Then again, there's the hi-tech crime.

The 'little white lie" that we told our husband, wife or kids to keep from hurting their feelings.

If it Were possible to live a perfect life -- there'd be no reason for the cross, would there? The Ten Commandments were given to show us that it's impossible to obey every law all the time. Well - the controversy between Sabbath and Sunday worship. The Law was meant to be our school master / tutor -- that we Need Christ's birth, death and bodily resurrection. That we Can't do it ourselves.

Because Of Calvary mankind is no longer a Slave to sin. But we still do Sin. And there Are some very good, righteous people in this world. And they are that way because of their love of God. But no one can be entirely sinless. Some would put Mother Teresa in that catagory -- or Billy Graham -- people who lived a very good life. But God Also knows our motivation For being good people. And our motivation Should be in pleasing God -- being Christ-like as much as possible. Knowing that we fall short because we're human and Christ being the Son of God.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Do you have any scripture that says we "have" to keep sinning? It is a requirement?
Here are a few that say we don't have to.

Luke 1:6; They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and requirements of the Lord.

John 8:11; She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."

John 5:14; Afterward Jesus *found him in the temple and said to him, "Behold, you have become well; do not sin anymore, so that nothing worse happens to you."

Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 6:13; and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Rom 6:14; For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
Rom 6:17; But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,
Rom 6:18; and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

Rom 6:22; But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life.

There is grace and forgiveness for those who repent.

Luke 5:32; "I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."
Luke 24:47; and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
2 Cor 7:10; For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without reservation, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.
2 Pet 3:9; The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

If anything... I would say those who teach we can continue to live in sin while we are Christians would be the "heresy".

Jude 1:4; For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27; but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

How will we know these people? These false teachers...

Matt 7:15; "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Matt 7:16; "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
Matt 7:17; "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
Matt 7:18; "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
Matt 7:19; "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matt 7:20; "So then, you will know them by their fruits.

Simple... if they have "bad fruit" (sin) they are a false teacher. If they are teachers others it's OK to have bad fruit... they are a false teacher. You can't have both "good fruit" and "bad fruit", if you have bad fruit.. you are a bad tree.

I believe that is determined by God and what his connotation of bad fruit is!

 

[Sue D.]

I believe that is determined by God and what his connotation of bad fruit is!

Referring back to post #155 Your comment "If anything ... I would say those who teach..that we can continue to live in sin.... would be the 'heresy'. I Strongly disagree. You're suggesting that I'm trying to promote 'heresy'. IF a person is going about their daily lives Looking for ways to sin -- there is a Big problem. If their attitude shows a lack of concern For their sinful actions, there's a problem. Their actions show a lack of salvation. There Is a lot of easy-believism being encouraged. How often does a person who walks the aisle ever get asked 'why have you come forward'. What brings you here this morning or this evening. Is the person taken aside -- into another room and talked with -- without feeling any pressure of 'holding up a church service'.? Do we make sure that the person understands their need? That they understand what Jesus Christ has done for them on the cross? That there is a real heaven or hell in their personal future? Because that is what God's Word tells us.

False teaching is anything other than Jesus Christ and Him crucified and bodily rising from the dead after the 3 days. Jesus Christ is the Son of God -- not just some great religious teacher of that day,

I think that promoting sinless perfection isn't a good plan. Because it suggests that Bible-teaching churches are full of non-saved people. I know lots of people who struggle with 'junk' in their lives. They are very much believers. They may have spent many years in sinfulness and have a lot to deal with. They have grown kids / grandkids who are dealing with messy relationships -- sickness -- trying to reconcile relationships.

We are living in a world that doesn't like to hear the word 'sin'. We live in a world that doesn't want to hear God's Word -- or God's authority. The world is a 'me-centered' place.

All of this means that we need Christian fellowship as much as possible to encourage each other in His Word. We need daily meals in His Word.

 

[At Peace]

we do not become perfect until or resurrected bodies if you were perfect now what in the world will you call it when you have a new glorified body more perfect LOL Just keep on loving Jesus will talk more about it in heaven

If your "perfection" is dependent on your future "mansion", you had better get started living like you love God above all else.
My perfection happened when I was reborn of God's seed and quickened by the Holy Ghost.
"And He is not ashamed to call them brethren". (Heb 2:11)

 

[At Peace]

The thing Is -- that no person on this earth -- save the Son of God ... No one will Be sinless or remain sinless. .

Are not the reborn, God's children?
Sons and daughters of the Most High?

 

[At Peace]

Because Of Calvary mankind is no longer a Slave to sin.But we still do Sin.

Then "we" is still a slave to sin. {John 8:32-34)

 

[At Peace]

Referring back to post #155
We are living in a world that doesn't like to hear the word 'sin'. We live in a world that doesn't want to hear God's Word -- or God's authority. The world is a 'me-centered' place.

All of this means that we need Christian fellowship as much as possible to encourage each other in His Word. We need daily meals in His Word.

Would you rather 'fellowship' with the people who manifest their hate for God, (Matt 6:24), or those who manifest their love for God?

 

[Born Again 2004]

Referring back to post #155 Your comment "If anything ... I would say those who teach..that we can continue to live in sin.... would be the 'heresy'. I Strongly disagree. You're suggesting that I'm trying to promote 'heresy'. IF a person is going about their daily lives Looking for ways to sin -- there is a Big problem. If their attitude shows a lack of concern For their sinful actions, there's a problem. Their actions show a lack of salvation. There Is a lot of easy-believism being encouraged. How often does a person who walks the aisle ever get asked 'why have you come forward'. What brings you here this morning or this evening. Is the person taken aside -- into another room and talked with -- without feeling any pressure of 'holding up a church service'.? Do we make sure that the person understands their need? That they understand what Jesus Christ has done for them on the cross? That there is a real heaven or hell in their personal future? Because that is what God's Word tells us.

False teaching is anything other than Jesus Christ and Him crucified and bodily rising from the dead after the 3 days. Jesus Christ is the Son of God -- not just some great religious teacher of that day,

I think that promoting sinless perfection isn't a good plan. Because it suggests that Bible-teaching churches are full of non-saved people. I know lots of people who struggle with 'junk' in their lives. They are very much believers. They may have spent many years in sinfulness and have a lot to deal with. They have grown kids / grandkids who are dealing with messy relationships -- sickness -- trying to reconcile relationships.

We are living in a world that doesn't like to hear the word 'sin'. We live in a world that doesn't want to hear God's Word -- or God's authority. The world is a 'me-centered' place.

All of this means that we need Christian fellowship as much as possible to encourage each other in His Word. We need daily meals in His Word.

I have no clue what your talking about! I am not talking about one striving to be perfect in this life.
I am taking about one that says they are PERFECT, without flaw in this life.

 

[amadeus2]

I especially like the part where the Preacher said " there had been no one in the Bible, other than Jesus, that was perfect. You think of all the notable people in the Bible, many, for sure where representing God directly and none were perfect...not one!

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Job 1:1