Sinless Perfection?

[At Peace]

@At Peace
I will appose you at every turn on this forum because what you are teaching is not truth. If I did not care about you I would just hold my peace, and let you keep believing the things that are not true.
My hope is perhaps, God might give you repentance to the acknowledging of truth!

2Ti 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Ti 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

You do realize that you are evangelizing me to return to sinning?
BTW, is that "truth" the one Jesus said could free us from service to sin...in John 8:32-34 ?

 

[Curtis]

You do realize that you are evangelizing me to return to sinning?
BTW, is that "truth" the one Jesus said could free us from service to sin...in John 8:32-34 ?

Truth has never set anyone free. It is not until you "know" the truth before it sets a person free!

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Knowing what God has said is NOT knowing the person who said it!!

 

[Curtis]

They quit committing sin, that is what repentance from sin is.

No body quits sinning, and then gets saved. They get saved while they are still a sinner!!!

 

[Curtis]

Redemption doesn't mean free from sin.
Maybe you can supply the source of your information?

Redemption. The recalling of captives (sinners) from captivity (sin) through the payment of a ransom for them.

 

[Curtis]

But the only "corruption" God's temple will see is old age, dimming eyes, and sprained ankles.etc.

The body that is shown is NOT the body it shall be. It is shown corruptible, it is raised incorruptible, it is sown mortal, it is raised immortal.

1Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cor 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Curtis]

Correct.
And as long as we heed Paul's exhortation to keep the body in submission we too can keep resisting every temptation brought to beset us.

Keep the body submitted from what?

Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

A Christian who has his flesh under submission by the Holy Spirit does NOT make sin in his flesh disappear!

 

[Curtis]

We have His mind, and with it we control the "skin".

Control the skin from what? What is in the flesh that is so bad? Sin!!!

 

[Curtis]

Mortal bodies will pass away, because they wear out.

Mortal bodies wear out because of sin. No sin no death.

 

[Curtis]

But our minds are in charge of our skin on earth.

That's the problem!! The Physical mind is NOT suppose to be in control of anything. We walk by faith not by sight!!! To be carnally minded is death.

 

[Curtis]

What on earth do you think rebirth is?

The rebirth only deals with man's spirit not his flesh. The flesh will be redeemed at Jesus Return for his Church. Everyone has be born of the "water" through their mothers womb, but our spirit is born of the Spirit.

 

[Curtis]

"truth" the one Jesus said could free us from service to sin...in John 8:32-34 ?

Knowing truth has absolutely nothing to do man's physical brain in his head!! Believing truth has absolutely nothing to do with man physical brain either!! (Romans 10:10) Understanding truth has nothing to do with man's brain!!! (Matt 13:15)
The mind of Christ does not dwell within man's carnal mind, it dwells inside mans heart (spirit)!! Everything has to do man's re birthed human spirit that was born again!!! God is a Spirit, and when he speaks he does NOT speak to man's brain, but to his spirit.

 

[KingJ]

That is correct.
No sin manifests love.

1 Cor 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.

How many months now have you believed this way? When did it start?

 

[Born Again 2004]

God will not upbraid us for our lack of wisdom.
As God "heareth not sinners", (John 9:31), those in sin will receive nothing they ask for from God.
BTW, repentance from sin and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, can make you sin free too. (Rom 6:7)

I have never met someone like you....I was just wondering, how does faith work with you?

 

[At Peace]

Truth has never set anyone free. It is not until you "know" the truth before it sets a person free!
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

It doesn't matter which portion of the verse you emphasize, the result is freedom from service to sin.

Doesn't it worry you that because you still are not free from service to sin, it shows that you don't know the truth? Or Him?

Knowing what God has said is NOT knowing the person who said it!!

True,
But obedience to what is said manifests that we DO know Him.

 

[At Peace]

Redemption. The recalling of captives (sinners) from captivity (sin) through the payment of a ransom for them.

If we go by your definition, and we still commit sin, then we are not redeemed.
Right?
Romans 8:23
"And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."
Ephesians 1:14
"Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory".
The redemption spoken of in the above verses apply to the redemption of the body.
That was the subject of post #45, which I was answering to.

 

[At Peace]

The body that is shown is NOT the body it shall be. It is shown corruptible, it is raised incorruptible, it is sown mortal, it is raised immortal.

1Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Cor 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Yup.
The vessels God uses on earth now wear out and pass away.
Thanks be to God that we don't have to consider the "skin" when we think of living forever.
I know you are trying to infer that the "corruption" in your kindly provided verses is sin...but it is not.

 

[At Peace]

Keep the body submitted from what?

Not submitted FROM something.
Submitted TO God.

Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
A Christian who has his flesh under submission by the Holy Spirit does NOT make sin in his flesh disappear!

Quite right.
That happens when we are washed by the blood of Christ...at our baptism into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:3-6)

 

[At Peace]

Control the skin from what?

Control the "skin" from committing sin. From hating. From theft. From adultery. From drunkenness. From lack of self-control. Etc.

What is in the flesh that is so bad? Sin!!!

Nothing is "so bad" after we have been reborn of Godly, incorruptible seed.
This corruption doesn't mean sin, but age, and illness, and all the other things the "skin"-"vessel" is subject to in this fallen world.

 

[At Peace]

That's the problem!! The Physical mind is NOT suppose to be in control of anything. We walk by faith not by sight!!! To be carnally minded is death.

If that is the case, why do folks still commit sin?
A mind in subjection to God will not allow itself to be used to steel, lie, or kill. Etc.

Isn't "physical mind" an oxymoron?

 

[At Peace]

The rebirth only deals with man's spirit not his flesh. The flesh will be redeemed at Jesus Return for his Church. Everyone has be born of the "water" through their mothers womb, but our spirit is born of the Spirit.

You should read Romans 8:9-11.
Our bodies are killed, along with every portion of our previous being, during our "immersion" into Christ and into His death..(Rom 6:3-6)
We are quickened (made alive) by the infilling of the gift of the Holy Ghost.
That is "born again".