The Error of Dispensationalism

[PloughBoy]

8Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!” 9And He said, “Go, and tell this people:
‘Keep on listening, but do not understand;

And keep on looking, but do not gain knowledge.’

10“Make the hearts of thispeople [d]insensitive,

Their ears [e]dull,

And their eyes [f]blind,

So that they will not seewith their eyes,

Hear with their ears,

Understand with their hearts,

And return and be healed.”11Then I said, “Lord, howlong?” And He answered,

“Until cities are devastatedand without inhabitant,

Houses are without people

And the land is utterlydesolate,

12The LORD has completely removedpeople,

And there [g]are manyforsaken places in the midst of the land.

13“Yet there will still be a tenth portion in it,

And it will again be subjectto burning,

Like a terebinth or an oak

Whose stump remains when it is cut down.

The holy seed is its stump.”

 

[God's Truth]

not one person in the bible was able to keep the law,

That is not true. If no one ever kept the law, then the Bible wouldn't tell us people did. I gave you scriptures but you ignore them.

until Jesus came and he was the one who fufilled the law.

Jesus fulfilled the law means the law was about him.
It means killing of the lambs and the blood shedding for our sins---was done by Jesus.
It means the various washings the people had to do, are now done by Jesus who washes us.
The circumcision in the flesh---now done by Jesus who circumcises our hearts.
The earthly temple is now Jesus and our own body.
The priests are now us, and the high priest is now Jesus.

The law was never meant to be kept, it was a impossible task.

No way. The law was kept by many.

That is what Jesus did he was the only person ever to keep the law

James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all".

I am not sure you understand that scripture, and I hope you don't harden yourself against me and will continue to discuss with me.

Galatians 3:21​

Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.

The old law could not give eternal life, only the new law can. That doesn't mean no one had to obey the old law and that no one obeyed it blamelessly.

 

[God's Truth]

I am under a command. I don’t care if the whole wide world do not hear a word I say, I don’t care! I really don’t . Because this world does not belong to me! I am nothing more than a mere “Mailman” carrying The Mail by word of mouth and penmanship of fingers! “MENE MENE TEKEL UPHARSIN”.

How do like that “Fruit”?

Are you talking to yourself? Do you want someone to reply?

 

[PloughBoy]

Are you talking to yourself? Do you want someone to reply?

I talk to the wind, the water that comes out the shower head, I speak to those who are in my dreams , even preach to the congregation that sits among the pews in The Assembly. For over 44 years, I have talked to “GOD” himself. When “GOD” is one’s FATHER what else does He need! “even when I walk through “The Valley of The Shadow of DEATH for thou art “With me”
Evidently you do not know this “GOD” I know!
If you did you would not say foolish things. The foolish things cannot come out of your mouth. Your lips cannot form the words. When this “GOD” is your “FATHER”!
“Hallelujah”
Anyhow!

 

[God's Truth]

I talk to the wind, the water that comes out the shower head, I speak to those who are in my dreams , even preach to the congregation that sits among the pews in The Assembly. For over 44 years, I have talked to “GOD” himself. When “GOD” is one’s FATHER what else does He need! “even when I walk through “The Valley of The Shadow of DEATH for thou art “With me”
Evidently you do not know this “GOD” I know!
If you did you would not say foolish things. The foolish things cannot come out of your mouth. Your lips cannot form the words. When this “GOD” is your “FATHER”!
“Hallelujah”
Anyhow!

We are in a discussion site, so why not discuss with me? You don't want your beliefs challenged?

 

[PloughBoy]

We are in a discussion site, so why not discuss with me? You don't want your beliefs challenged?

The reason, you have no systematic way of study no form of “Biblical Hermeneutics” you have no knowledge of “Biblical Terminology” no order. So you need someone of the same “Quality” of yourself, so that the two that are engaging are mutual on the subject matter.
You want grade school “apologetics” and I do not want no parts of any kind of “Christian apologetics” for it is not my field of “Theological studies”

 

[God's Truth]

The reason, you have no systematic way of study no form of “Biblical Hermeneutics” you have no knowledge of “Biblical Terminology” no order. So you need someone of the same “Quality” of yourself, so that the two that are engaging are mutual on the subject matter.
You want grade school “apologetics” and I do not want no parts of any kind of “Christian apologetics” for it is not my field of “Theological studies”

What do you think of these scripture:


1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

 

[Dave M]

. I gave you scriptures but you ignore them.

what you gave was people who did not even have the law, peace be with you

 

[God's Truth]

what you gave was people who did not even have the law, peace be with you

What do you mean they didn't have the law?

Luke 1:5In the time of Herod king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah, and whose wife Elizabeth was a daughter of Aaron. 6They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and decrees of the Lord.

 

[joestue]

Paul even claimed to be blameless under the law, not that I really believe that, as he must have been talking about the ceremonial law and not those other parts like do not murder

6They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and decrees of the Lord.

 

[PloughBoy]

What do you think of these scripture:


1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

I think nothing ,” he is making a statement, then there is a story being told,

“when the plain sense of scripture makes common sense seek no other sense”

 

[PloughBoy]

I think nothing ,” he is making a statement, then there is a story being told,

“when the plain sense of scripture makes common sense seek no other sense”

I am not a student of “eisegesis”

 

[God's Truth]

Paul even claimed to be blameless under the law, not that I really believe that, as he must have been talking about the ceremonial law and not those other parts like do not murder

Excellent! Thanks for reminding me of that.

 

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@Dave M
@PloughBoy
@Bethel
@God's Truth
@joestue

'Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss
for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord:
for whom I have suffered the loss of all things,
and do count them but dung,
that I may win Christ,
And be found in Him,
not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law,
but that which is through the faith of Christ,
the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That I may know Him,
and the power of His resurrection,
and the fellowship of His sufferings,
being made conformable unto His death;
If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.'
(Philippians 3:8-10)

Hello there,

Coming back to this thread today, I thought I would listen to the video clip after all, and see what it had to say. However from the very first sentence I realised it would be a complete waste of time, because it was obvious that the man did not know what he was talking about, so I turned it off.

The goal of every believer is to go on to know Christ in all His fulness, and thereby know God Himself: for Christ makes Him manifest. So all true Bible study has this as it's object. I personally have found the dispensational approach to reading the Word of God very helpful, but it is merely a means to an end, and that end is as stated:- To know Christ, and be found in Him.

I see no profit in defending a means of study, for it is what is being studied that is important, not the means: and in the case of each one of us, it is the Bible that we study - The Word of Truth. Now that is worth defending.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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@Dave M
@PloughBoy
@Bethel
@God's Truth
@joestue

'God, who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son,
(Hebrews 1:1-4)

Hello again,

True Dispensationalists acknowledge the truth of Hebrews 1:1-2 (above).

1) God has spoken!
2) 'at sundry times' as well as 'in divers manners'.

* If we are to understand what He has spoken, we must learn to distinguish, not only the various peoples to whom He has spoken, and the 'sundry times' at which He has spoken to them, but also the 'divers manners' in which He did so.

* In Hebrews 1:1-2, the 'time' when God spoke 'to the fathers' is set in contrast with the time in which He hath 'spoken unto us'. The 'time' in which 'He spake by the prophets' stands in contrast with the time in which 'He spake by His Son.' And the 'time past' is obviously distinguished from 'these last days' .

* So that Times and Dispensations are inseparable from the Divine Word: not only the Times in which the Words were spoken, but the times of which they were spoken, and to which they refer. These different times are called Dispensations. Dispensation meaning 'the act of administering', or the time during which that administering is carried on.

* My job title at one time was, an 'administrator', because I helped look after the daily administration of the affairs of the business that I worked for. I dispensed the business administration on a daily basis. This is what Paul was called upon to do, when He was given the revelation of God concerning the 'fellowship' (ie., 'dispensaation') of the mystery (Ephesians 3:9 ): he dispensed God's Truth for that 'Time':-

'For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward:​

but if against my will,​

a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.'​

(1Cor. 9:17)​

​

'That in the dispensation of the fulness of times​

He might gather together in one all things in Christ,​

both which are in heaven, and which are on earth;​

even in Him:'​

(Eph 1:10)​

'If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God​

which is given me to you-ward:'​

(Eph 3:2)​

​

'Whereof I am made a minister,​

according to the dispensation of God​

which is given to me for you,​

to fulfil the word of God; ... '​

(Col, 1:25)​

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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@Dave M
@PloughBoy
@Bethel
@God's Truth
@joestue

Hello yet again,

God's principles of administration were always perfectly adapted to the 'times and seasons' during which they were carried out. The Lord's principles of administration with Adam before the 'Fall', must have been quite different from those with Adam's immediate posterity after the 'Fall'. His administration with Israel 'under the law' was carried out on different principles from those which are now in operation during this present administration of grace. These again are obviously quite different from those which will characterise God's coming administration in Judgment. And these, again, will be necessarily quite different from those which will belong to the administration of glory in 'the fulness of times' when all things shall be gathered together in One under the Headship of Christ (Epheisians 1:10).

* The present administration of God is in Grace; not in Law, Judgment, or Glory. It belongs to the time which is called 'the Administration of the Mystery' ( or Secret): that Secret which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men,' (Ephesians 3:5). It was 'hid in God from the beginning of the world' (Ephesians 3:9). It was 'kept secret since the world began' (Romans 16:25). But Paul was made the special Administrator of all the truth connected with it. Committed to him by God.

* So, we see various administrations suited to the various and corresponding Times and Dispensations, during which they were carried out, and in force. In 'other ages' certain truths were hidden, which are contrasted with the truths which are 'now revealed.'

* In the same way the Lord Jesus said, 'I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now' (John 16:12).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Dave M]

Those that think you can keep the law, or that anyone was justified by the law, or that the law leads to salvation. I urge you to read Romans, several times.

@God's Truth

you say David kept the law,, did he not kill and commit adultery,,, that is braking the law is it not?


Romans 3

10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

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@PloughBoy
@Bethel
@God's Truth
@joestue

'Even as Abraham believed God,
and it was accounted to him for righteousness.'
(Gal 3:6)

Hello @Dave M,

Coming back to your initial question made to me regarding salvation. God's plan of salvation (from the grave) has always been the same. In Hebrews chapter 11, each person referred to had faith in the message God had given to him or her, and believing they acted upon it. They were men and women of faith. Within each dispensation God's plans change, but the plan of salvation (from the grave) is a universal truth, it never changes. Today, when we hear and believe the good news of God concerning His Son, and trust in Him as our Saviour and Lord then we are saved from the power of death, and receive the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus.

'But these are written, that ye might believe
that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life through His name. '
(John 20:31)

For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves:
it is the gift of God:
Not of works,
lest any man should boast.
For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus unto good works,
which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.'
(Eph 2:8-10)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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. The OT saints did not go directly to heaven, they went to AB until Jesus died and came down to AB and preached to them and then he brought them to heaven.

Hello @Dave M,

Where do you read this in the Bible?

 

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(8) Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying
Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?
Then said I, Here am I; send me.
(9) And he said, Go, and tell this people,
Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
(10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes;
lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
(11) Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered,
Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant,
and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
(12) And the LORD have removed men far away,
and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
(13) But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten:
as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves:
so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.'
(Isa 6:8-13)

Hello @PloughBoy,

Why did you post this Scripture, what was your intention in quoting it?

Verses 9-10 of this chapter is quoted by our Lord and Paul (but you will already know that), It is quoted at times of rejection, and is of great significance within Israel's history, isn't it? written down seven times (denoting spiritual perfection) :- Matthew 13:14; Mark 4:12; Luke 8:10; John 12:40; Acts 28:26-27; Romans 11:8; marking three great dispensational crises:-

- By Christ - (Matthew 13:14) as coming from Jehovah on a day a council was held 'to destroy Him'.
- By Christ - as coming from the Messiah in His glory (John 12:40-41) after council taken to 'put Him to death' (John 11:53 and compare 12:37)
- By Paul - as coming from the Holy Ghost , when after a days conference they 'believed not' (Acts 28:25-27).