The gifts of the Holy Spirit for the Church??

[Brad Huber]

show be where i condemned order

Liberal thinking for sure think like me or you are canceled .

You spend a lot of time finding fault here with people, a little more than usual with me. You are not worth my time explaining things because you like to argue and find fault. Either follow the directions I set out in my first post, or leave the discussion. I pray the Lord would make this "important" enough in your mind to apply. Not really all that sure that you even follow the leading of the Holy Spirit due to your combative nature.

 

[Waggles]

1. We have a portion of time set up in church service after singing in worship for any prophecies (with any limits?) or tongues if there are interpreters.
2. Healings at what point of the service, or not at sunday service, but at another time or day, but in the church setting, whether non believers are invited in, that sort of stuff
3. Words of knowledge and how and when employed.
4. Often those teaching in sunday school are merely people who want to (or guilted into) teach but may not be gifted in it, examples of truly "good" teachers who enrapture the audience, with faces shining with the power of God

1Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

1: In our worship meetings/services the voice gifts are operated towards the end of the meeting after the teaching of doctrine (on Sundays after communion).
3: A word of knowledge is a gift that the Spirit endows to individual saints as needed - to pastors and teachers and also often to a person witnessing to another person. This gift is a knowledge of the word of God
as appropriate for giving a talk or for sharing the gospel with someone.
2: Gifts of healing are readily made available 24/7 by the power of God - every saint can pray for healing as needed either for themselves or for others. I have enjoyed many miraculous healings and seen others instantly healed
before my eyes through prayer.
In our meetings we have a prayer line where those wanting prayer (often for healing) can come forward and then have hands laid on them and to be prayed over in both English and/or tongues.
Many people, including myself, can testify to being healed instantly in the prayer line.
4: Sunday school is conducted by a multitude of parents and grandparents who are all grounded in doctrine and use prepared lessons for the learning of the many Bible stories. If someone needs help with their ministry
as a Sunday School teacher then they would pray about this for help from God.

The gifts of faith and healings and miracles often go together - like in the prayer line both parties to prayer operate faith in healing through God and when delivered this is a working of a miracle.
Note that miracles are not limited to healings - the saints have numerous testimonies to a plethora of miracles (and blessings).

 

[Reba1]

You spend a lot of time finding fault here with people, a little more than usual with me. You are not worth my time explaining things because you like to argue and find fault. Either follow the directions I set out in my first post, or leave the discussion. I pray the Lord would make this "important" enough in your mind to apply. Not really all that sure that you even follow the leading of the Holy Spirit due to your combative nature.

A liberal cancel . yup the other guy is always out of line to some ... you are looking for fault finding at the point of discounting discussion . I will concede to your not wanting me around ...

 

[PloughBoy]

A liberal cancel . yup the other guy is always out of line to some ... you are looking for fault finding at the point of discounting discussion . I will concede to your not wanting me around ...

Here i come to save the D----------AY! I am on your side "Reba 1"... You see modern day translators and Pastoral want to bees [Bumble Bees] has so shape the "Translated Biblical Text" so they may Have "The Preeminence" instead of "Jesus Christ". and Place The Queen of Christianity on the Throne. with Advisors on How she should Rule. and lord over The Flock of GOD. But they fail to realize The King don't play that. Ain't no queen sitting on His Throne. This King is a Jealous KING And Ain't No woman Ruling HIS Kingdom

American Standard Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am THE LORD!, that doeth all these things.

GOD is "SOVEREIGN" Chaos cannot exist without the Power of GOD and for now JESUS has ALL POWER" not some But All! Not some authority, BUT ALL Authority. The wind cannot blow unless He commands it. Waves in the Seas cannot make a sound, unless He tells it to speak although the waves moves, they still cannot speak unless He tells them to Roar. The lighting in the sky when it flashes, it cannot light up unless HE tells it to, although It flashes it cannot light up unless he gives it permission to show its light.

CHAOS belongs to GOD and no body else but HIM. For CHAOS BOWS to HIS Command. Although when it was no LIGHT, GOD still Had to CREATED "DARKNESS" when DARKNESS didn't exist. HE spoke and "DARKNESS" came into Existence. And it still didn't have Light to Know That it was DARK. The Light Had to appear to let DARKNESS know that It Existed. For "Chaos" never knew it Existed, until "GOD" Told it,,,, That it Exist.

Back to Title Thread, which is A Question.

"The gifts of the Holy Spirit for the Church??"
I am speechless. May i say? Which one? which gift, which church, and for what purpose? >>>>>>> How did i get way out here? Reba 1, you got me way out here. I cannot find my way back to the church.

Sorry

 

[Waggles]

I am speechless. May i say? Which one? which gift, which church, and for what purpose? >>>>>>> How did i get way out here? Reba 1, you got me way out here. I cannot find my way back to the church.

 

[Brad Huber]

Here i come to save the D----------AY! I am on your side "Reba 1"... You see modern day translators and Pastoral want to bees [Bumble Bees] has so shape the "Translated Biblical Text" so they may Have "The Preeminence" instead of "Jesus Christ". and Place The Queen of Christianity on the Throne. with Advisors on How she should Rule. and lord over The Flock of GOD. But they fail to realize The King don't play that. Ain't no queen sitting on His Throne. This King is a Jealous KING And Ain't No woman Ruling HIS Kingdom

American Standard Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am THE LORD!, that doeth all these things.

GOD is "SOVEREIGN" Chaos cannot exist without the Power of GOD and for now JESUS has ALL POWER" not some But All! Not some authority, BUT ALL Authority. The wind cannot blow unless He commands it. Waves in the Seas cannot make a sound, unless He tells it to speak although the waves moves, they still cannot speak unless He tells them to Roar. The lighting in the sky when it flashes, it cannot light up unless HE tells it to, although It flashes it cannot light up unless he gives it permission to show its light.

CHAOS belongs to GOD and no body else but HIM. For CHAOS BOWS to HIS Command. Although when it was no LIGHT, GOD still Had to CREATED "DARKNESS" when DARKNESS didn't exist. HE spoke and "DARKNESS" came into Existence. And it still didn't have Light to Know That it was DARK. The Light Had to appear to let DARKNESS know that It Existed. For "Chaos" never knew it Existed, until "GOD" Told it,,,, That it Exist.

Back to Title Thread, which is A Question.

"The gifts of the Holy Spirit for the Church??"
I am speechless. May i say? Which one? which gift, which church, and for what purpose? >>>>>>> How did i get way out here? Reba 1, you got me way out here. I cannot find my way back to the church.

Sorry

Up to your usual drama. Please read the first post, and either answer it or exit the thread.

 

[PloughBoy]

Up to your usual drama. Please read the first post, and either answer it or exit the thread.

Evidently, You know some words and how to pronounce some. But in_depth comprehension seems to tax you and eludes you big time! Or you just do not read but only in "Comic" Sunday Morning News Paper length.

My quote was: Post 64
Back to Title Thread, which is A Question.
"The gifts of the Holy Spirit for the Church??"
I am speechless. May i say? Which one? which gift, which church, and for what purpose? >>>>>>> How did i get way out here? Reba 1, you got me way out here. I cannot find my way back to the church.

Sorry::

If not the case, you must be a unforgiving critic of me Because of my claiming that I am a "Child of the LIVING GOD" and that you are only a friend of christians and the people of this world. and I am a foreign "Entity" But I thank my Father who is GOD Almighty for the badge of Honor that your words has crown me [Brad Huber] and I will stand before the BEMA SEAT and Answer to all your charges [ Brad Huber] that you have ever place for over my head. and I stand guilty as you have charge me. And i will Bow before HIS FEET! As your words {Brad Huber} are Launch at The Judgment bar.

And feel free to pour more upon my head as you please concerning my "animosity and drama" and my approach to "The Christ GOD" who owns everything, "words'. the Air in the Sky, the words that comes out of our mouths, the sound that enters the air our ear ways in which belongs to Him. Our souls our minds our thoughts, the beams that flashes the Characters of our being. now i will give you something else to talk about:

For i am one of "The Sons of the LIVING GOD" and what Ever Jesus owns and what ever GOD HIS FATHER gives HIM throughout "ETERNITY" is Mines Too! even the breath you Breath For this Is "The INHERITANCE of THE SAINTS OF GOD"

Now:
New American Standard Bible
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. [ and the world knows us not]
But one day we will Appear and we will Dazzle Heaven and All ETERNITY , forever and ever and there will be no end of our Brilliancy

 

[Brad Huber]

Might I get a moderator to take out Ploughboys and Reba1's posts, as they are only here to complain and nitpick. I tire of having them do their best to be argumentative so as to disrupt a thread they "want" disrupted. I have asked them both to either contribute as per I describe or to leave the thread.

 

[Waggles]

1: a word of wisdom - [G4678 - enlightenment - devout and proper prudence in interaction with men not disciples of Christ - skill and discretion in imparting Christian truth - the knowledge and practice of
the requisites for godly and upright living]
2: a word of knowledge - [G1108 - understanding - especially of things lawful and unlawful for Christians - moral wisdom, such as is seen in right living]
3: faith - [G4102 persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession;
by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself]
4: gifts of healings - [ G2386 - to be cured and set free from any ailment or impairment - to be made whole]
5: workings of powers - [G1411 force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself) miracles]
6: prophecy - [G4394 a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden;
especially by foretelling future events]
7: discernings of spirits - [G1253 - distinguishing, judging + G4151 - a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc.,
or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:
8: kinds of tongues - [G1085 - kindred + G1100 - the tongue, a language or dialect]
9: interpretation of tongues - [G2058 - translation or interpretation of what has been spoken in tongues]

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The three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit - prophecy, tongues and interpretation are only to be operated during worship meetings and in order as laid out by Paul in 1Corinthians 14.
These gifts are for the body of Christ - the ekklesia - for edification (building up); exhortation (encouragement); comfort (peace, consolation).

The other six gifts can be dispersed and given to saints upon need and in response to seeking through prayer.
James 1:5 But if any of you lacketh wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all simply and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

 

[Waggles]

I get the impression (thought) from reading other posts that many Christians believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are given to specific people only.
For example, gifts of healing are only worked through some people who 'have' this gift, or likewise with discerning of spirits.
But in the body of Christ these gifts are given to all as required, as sought for through prayer.
To "step out in faith" is often required and a simple prayer to God asking for a boost to one's faith will often deliver a spiritual confidence to be an ambassador to Christ Jesus.
Everyone who is a disciple can pray for healing - even non-Pentecostal believers have received the gift of healing.

The only exception to the above rule, that I know of, is the operation of the three voice gifts in a meeting which does tend to use the same people over again.
Most people who operate these gifts can be used for two out of three gifts - such as tongues and prophecy or interpretation and prophecy - some saints only operate one of the voice gifts.
Whilst everybody in a Pentecostal Church who has been baptized can pray in tongues not all operate the gift of tongues in a worship meeting.

All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. 1Corinthians 12:11

 

[PloughBoy]

Might I get a moderator to take out Ploughboys and Reba1's posts, as they are only here to complain and nitpick. I tire of having them do their best to be argumentative so as to disrupt a thread they "want" disrupted. I have asked them both to either contribute as per I describe or to leave the thread.

Was not The thread title a Question with 2 question marks at the end of the question?

TheTitle Thread
"The gifts of the Holy Spirit for the Church??"

and my end responds was this:
My quote was: Post 64
Back to Title Thread, which is A Question.

"The gifts of the Holy Spirit for the Church??" <<<<<< what does this mean, the question.

I am speechless. May i say? Which one? which gift, which church, and for what purpose? >>>>>>> How did i get way out here? Reba 1, you got me way out here. I cannot find my way back to the church.<<<<<<< "meaning the original question"

The gifts of GOD to the body of Christ, The number cannot be counted for their are many members and each one have a function like the human body. Blood vessels, veins, nerves, valves, arteries, muscles, tendons, and on and on. There is only One Body, One Head, two feet, two hands, each hand is different with its own vessels and veins. muscles and tendons. each fingers is different. There is only "One Congregation" One "assembly".

Ok but the world has many churches , many heads, many leaders, many teachers, many teachings many different doctrines, different "Covenants"

Just wanted clarity, but i did drift off a bit but admitted it and i return to the the Original Title question for clarity.

 

[PloughBoy]

1: a word of wisdom - [G4678 - enlightenment - devout and proper prudence in interaction with men not disciples of Christ - skill and discretion in imparting Christian truth - the knowledge and practice of
the requisites for godly and upright living]
2: a word of knowledge - [G1108 - understanding - especially of things lawful and unlawful for Christians - moral wisdom, such as is seen in right living]
3: faith - [G4102 persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession;
by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself]
4: gifts of healings - [ G2386 - to be cured and set free from any ailment or impairment - to be made whole]
5: workings of powers - [G1411 force (literally or figuratively); specifically miraculous power (usually by implication a miracle itself) miracles]
6: prophecy - [G4394 a discourse emanating from divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden;
especially by foretelling future events]
7: discernings of spirits - [G1253 - distinguishing, judging + G4151 - a spirit, that is, (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital principle, mental disposition, etc.,
or (superhuman) an angel, daemon, or (divine) God, Christ’s spirit, the Holy spirit:
8: kinds of tongues - [G1085 - kindred + G1100 - the tongue, a language or dialect]
9: interpretation of tongues - [G2058 - translation or interpretation of what has been spoken in tongues]

-------------------- <>< \o/ ><> --------------------------
The three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit - prophecy, tongues and interpretation are only to be operated during worship meetings and in order as laid out by Paul in 1Corinthians 14.
These gifts are for the body of Christ - the ekklesia - for edification (building up); exhortation (encouragement); comfort (peace, consolation).

The other six gifts can be dispersed and given to saints upon need and in response to seeking through prayer.
James 1:5 But if any of you lacketh wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all simply and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

So is it illegal to operate these gifts on a street corner or open field. a park, or beach? Prophesying, speaking in a Foreign Language, and being a Interpreter for someone proclaiming the Gospel, like in Chinese. You speak english and then you have a Chinese interpreter. to Interpret in a park to Chinese people? So that is illegal to proclaim in open air. Like "George Whitfield" He was a open air preacher too, the church told him He had to preach 2 miles out in the Corn fields. and they talk about him like a dog. Those church leaders hired hooligans to beat up preachers preaching in the open air. for preaching is make for churches. and not street corners and in the Corn fields. "the Gifts are made for The Church and not cornfield Preachers.

"The three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit - prophecy, tongues and interpretation are only to be operated during worship meetings and in order as laid out by Paul in 1Corinthians 14.
These gifts are for the body of Christ - the ekklesia - for edification (building up); exhortation (encouragement); comfort (peace, consolation)."

 

[PloughBoy]

I get the impression (thought) from reading other posts that many Christians believe that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are given to specific people only.
For example, gifts of healing are only worked through some people who 'have' this gift, or likewise with discerning of spirits.
But in the body of Christ these gifts are given to all as required, as sought for through prayer.
To "step out in faith" is often required and a simple prayer to God asking for a boost to one's faith will often deliver a spiritual confidence to be an ambassador to Christ Jesus.
Everyone who is a disciple can pray for healing - even non-Pentecostal believers have received the gift of healing.

The only exception to the above rule, that I know of, is the operation of the three voice gifts in a meeting which does tend to use the same people over again.
Most people who operate these gifts can be used for two out of three gifts - such as tongues and prophecy or interpretation and prophecy - some saints only operate one of the voice gifts.
Whilst everybody in a Pentecostal Church who has been baptized can pray in tongues not all operate the gift of tongues in a worship meeting.

All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. 1Corinthians 12:11

I wonder, what the poor church did, before 1900's without the Pentecostal movement.

Modern Pentecostalism began on January 1, 1901, when Agnes Ozman, a student at Charles F. Parham's Bethel Bible School in Topeka, Kansas, spoke in tongues (actually, the story is that she spoke in "Chinese", and did not speak English again for several days).

And when I read The Historical story about "Azusa" over 40 years ago i was impress very, but i had already read another historical movement simliar during the early Church Fathers. But still very invigorating. "Seymour"

1906-1909 Azusa Street Revival; Pentecostalism becomes global under Seymour's leadership and " Agnes Ozman" and "Charles Fox Parham"

I was impress by their Biographies. I can "Pentecost" with "The Pentecostals" but i do not speak in "glossolalia" but I do have a "gift" in Languages. and a few more "GIFTS" as He sees fit as he pleases. and I never have taken time to count or to observe them, or care about them or given them consideration. Because my mind is focus on something Higher that cannot be express by mortal words. And the "gifts" cannot be compared with The Glory that has been revealed.

 

[Waggles]

Modern Pentecostalism began on January 1, 1901,

Holy Spirit revival and the beginnings of the Pentecostal latter rain came out of the divine healing movement of the 1880s.
It was from the believing again in divine healing that Christians began to inquire of the other gifts.

 

[Waggles]

Modern Pentecostalism began on January 1, 1901, when Agnes Ozman, a student at Charles F. Parham's Bethel Bible School in Topeka, Kansas, spoke in tongues

Holy Spirit revival and the beginnings of the Pentecostal latter rain came out of the divine healing movement of the 1880s.
It was from the believing again in divine healing that Christians began to inquire of the other gifts.
Azusa Street is the U.S. manifestation of this latter rain. England and Wales were already experiencing Holy Spirit Pentecostal revivals.
Smith Wigglesworth as a young man went to a church in Sunderland reputed to exercise the gifts of the Spirit.
"Then he turned to me [Wigglesworth] and remarked, "Have you heard the latest? They are receiving the Holy Spirit at Sunderland and speaking in tongues. I have decided to
go to Sunderland to see this thing for myself." [1900-1901]
Smith Wigglesworth Apostle Of Faith. by Stanley Frodsham, Gospel Publishing House, 1948, page 41

"The fire fell. It was a wonderful time as I was there with God alone. He bathed me in power. ... I was given a vision in which I saw the Lord Jesus Christ. I beheld the empty cross,
and saw Him exalted at the right hand of God the Father. I could speak no longer in English but I began to praise Him in other tongues as the Spirit of God gave me utterance.
I knew then, although I might have received anointing's previously, that now, at last, I had received the real baptism in the Holy Spirit as they received on the day of Pentecost." [1902 or 1903]
ibid, page 44

 

[PloughBoy]

Holy Spirit revival and the beginnings of the Pentecostal latter rain came out of the divine healing movement of the 1880s.
It was from the believing again in divine healing that Christians began to inquire of the other gifts.

Hey what about 3 or 4th century you haven't went back far enough.

 

[Dave M]

Romans 12
6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;
7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching;
8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads,[f] with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.

You know one gift that I think is given more here in the USA ,,then any other place in the world, is the gift of generosity. I have seen it first hand in church, in my ministry. One of the reasons I think this gift is given to people in the USA more then any other place (i could be wrong) is because we are the richest place on the planet. I dont think many people tap into this gift and use it to the full potential that it has.

How about the gift of serving man I have seen some servants servants in my current church and ministry. Giving up there free time to help other, to serve other.

Yes God is at work, and yes the Church is not perfect, why would it be if we are there.

 

[PloughBoy]

Holy Spirit revival and the beginnings of the Pentecostal latter rain came out of the divine healing movement of the 1880s.
It was from the believing again in divine healing that Christians began to inquire of the other gifts.
Azusa Street is the U.S. manifestation of this latter rain. England and Wales were already experiencing Holy Spirit Pentecostal revivals.
Smith Wigglesworth as a young man went to a church in Sunderland reputed to exercise the gifts of the Spirit.
"Then he turned to me [Wigglesworth] and remarked, "Have you heard the latest? They are receiving the Holy Spirit at Sunderland and speaking in tongues. I have decided to
go to Sunderland to see this thing for myself." [1900-1901]
Smith Wigglesworth Apostle Of Faith. by Stanley Frodsham, Gospel Publishing House, 1948, page 41

"The fire fell. It was a wonderful time as I was there with God alone. He bathed me in power. ... I was given a vision in which I saw the Lord Jesus Christ. I beheld the empty cross,
and saw Him exalted at the right hand of God the Father. I could speak no longer in English but I began to praise Him in other tongues as the Spirit of God gave me utterance.
I knew then, although I might have received anointing's previously, that now, at last, I had received the real baptism in the Holy Spirit as they received on the day of Pentecost." [1902 or 1903]
ibid, page 44

Do you not know the word Pentecostal is a English name. and do you remember when the english Germanic Languages came into existence. when dealing with history i always go all the way back and then climb the ladder. it has been my practices for over 40 years. Everything i climb down then I climb back up. and watch how the languages has change and understand why GOD chose the Languages He picks, to convey His Truth. and the path He took. And the people he chose. And I remember the day i finish and understood and I close my BIBLE and now i understand. "The Salvation Story" and I need no more "Lexicons" no More Hebrew of Greek Concordances, No more dictionaries no more Church fathers, no more definitions no more notes, no more, and when i close that BOOK wow. and many throughout my 40 plus years many thought i had become so Heavenly minded i was no earthly GOOD, You are beholding another "Pilgrim"

The stuff you are talking about and referring to is nothing but kinder-garden material for converts that many only repeat those saying year after years the same things they spoke about when they 1st believe.

And i do believe all your experience are real and Truthful I do not know how long ago you received the "Holy Ghost" and you are still taking about "Tongues" in a conversation . I love to hear testimonies, But "Tongues" and you still are impress with the Baptism of the Holy GHOST? What other Glories have you been through ,way beyond the baptism of the "HOLY GHOST" What about the "The Dark Night of the SOUL" The deep DUNGEONS Lock up In CHAINS" What ABOUT The PIT of SLUDGE. And have you felt The very "TALONS of A BEAST TEARING into your very SOUL and Refused to release his GRIP because the FATHER is letting you know This is not a Game. Letting you realize You can die in the Claws of Demon and GOD can bring you back! and Heal your wounds But still leave scars on your mind so will not Forget Who HE IS!. .....AND Have been there to feel THE GLORY WHICH IS TO APPEAR == THAT YOU BEG "GOD" To not take you there again not until He Gives you your "GLORIFIED" BODY because it takes one to even approach its appearance.

When i hear some christians talk about Heaven. It seems they are talking about "WALMART" i do. And they do not realize it. they be saying Heaven, and then you wonder they ain't been reading the BOOK they been reading pop verses for over 40 years. And they get mad with you when you call them out. they do not know why they do that, but i do! But i still Love my brothers sisters in Christ, Because He put that love in me and not me myself. I have not that Ability to love them as i ought but He does. HE does. For all who belongs to Him will Be Taught by HIM and HIM alone.

This is not to tear you down but to encourage you, there is more a lot more and "The WAY" there, is in your "SANCTIFICATION and HOLINESS" that many will deter you from. And will proclaim it is not necessary being faithful. Faithful to a organization is not "The WAY "there. And i am not talking about "SALVATION" for you are secure there already.

You LOVE for "Pentecostalism" is more than your LOVE you have for GOD If only you would talk about GOD the way you talked about "Pentecostalism" you your self would see the difference. You have no problem walking without GOD. but you cannot do without "PENTECOSTALISM" because "Pentecostalism: has become your god. The Light of GOD exposes that which is in The DARK. And we Love darkness rather than LIGHT.

 

[PloughBoy]

Romans 12
6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;
7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching;
8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads,[f] with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.

You know one gift that I think is given more here in the USA ,,then any other place in the world, is the gift of generosity. I have seen it first hand in church, in my ministry. One of the reasons I think this gift is given to people in the USA more then any other place (i could be wrong) is because we are the richest place on the planet. I dont think many people tap into this gift and use it to the full potential that it has.

How about the gift of serving man I have seen some servants servants in my current church and ministry. Giving up there free time to help other, to serve other.

Yes God is at work, and yes the Church is not perfect, why would it be if we are there.

What about the Gift of Greed? and "gluttony"? Richest also according to GOD is a Curse some times. we are one the fastest people on Planet earth. I remember we used eat a slice of pie or cake, Now we eat whole thing! I big Family bag chips would last you a week. Today you lucky if it past the 5 O'clock news.

 

[Dave M]

What about the Gift of Greed? and "gluttony"

I think those are curses not gifts,

but yes that is what Jesus warns us about over and over in the bible.