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[Bill]

Who that has the HG needs any teaching of man? 1 John 2:27

Let us also note that the Catholic Church was the group that with held the Bible from their own paritioners claiming that it was the church leadership
that were the only ones that had the right to interpret scripture. Council of Trent 1545.
At one time the penalty for indepependant interpretation was death.

Look up groups such as the Novatians, Paulicans, Bogomils, Patarines, all included under the name Catharis and see what was done to them by the CC.

I have no problem with any individual but the organization is a monster that can never be satisfied thus the power and blood lust went on for way to long.

Unfortunately, the CC has had its share of idiots. I often compair the CC to the USA, having its share of corrupted government officials. Yet it doesn't stop anyone from standing up at the Star-Spangled Banner when it's played at some sports event. And having that sense of pride of being a United States citizen.

Certainly we don't have some song that represents the Catholic church where you stand up and salute like you would for the United States. But on the other hand, with the corrupt officials, doesn't stop me from believing in being Catholic either.

As Christians, God loves all of us, without having distinction of churches because we are all His children.

Now I can sit here and amusingly think about my experience with the snake handlers in Appalachia, where they would also claim to be Christians. And indeed they are Christians just to another extreme. ( if you've never experienced the church called the Holy Ghost people in Appalachia, I suggest you try it sometime. But if they dump the box out LOL on the altar floor just keep your feet up on the kneeler and not on the floor)

I think, at the time, literacy was an issue. Not like today were everyone goes to school, can read and write.

 

[Bill]

Let me ask you a simple question.

What are the requirements for one to be saved (born-again) according to the RCC?

Must be baptized, must repent of sin and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour

( the baptisms are given to infants, with parents and Godparents agreeing to teach the child the ways of God. When the child reaches 13 they are required to confirm thier faith before the church)

In addition, daily scripture reading, praying and weekly services are encuraged. This helps everyone to build up your faith, and gain wisdom in the Lord.

Recieving the Blessed bread and wine are a center piece of the service. We believe when a priest blesses the bread and wine, it becomes the body and blood of Jesus.

Like the Mana and water in the desert with Moses. The bread that came from heaven, and as Scripture says, the Rock that was Jesus, or the living water.

The blessed bread and wine. Jesus says to do this in rememberance of me, so we do.

I want to point out that I'm not trying to tell you this is the way everyone has to be. I'm only responding to your question. And I'm not trying to convert you to the way I think, just trying to explain it.

I don't expect you to understand everything, or to really accept Catholicism, because you've never been brought up that way you've never have learned that Catholics are also Christians.

I've been to many services of the Protestant churches, where the preachers themselves would talk against the Catholics. Something I thought was crazy, because never do I go into a Catholic church and experience the same going the other way. In fact no one ever even talks about the Protestants.

I'm sure there are a few churches here and there that might talk about Protestants, I've just never experienced it.

 

[Charlie24]

Must be baptized, must repent of sin and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour

( the baptisms are given to infants, with parents and Godparents agreeing to teach the child the ways of God. When the child reaches 13 they are required to confirm thier faith before the church)

In addition, daily scripture reading, praying and weekly services are encuraged. This helps everyone to build up your faith, and gain wisdom in the Lord.

Recieving the Blessed bread and wine are a center piece of the service. We believe when a priest blesses the bread and wine, it becomes the body and blood of Jesus.

Like the Mana and water in the desert with Moses. The bread that came from heaven, and as Scripture says, the Rock that was Jesus, or the living water.

The blessed bread and wine. Jesus says to do this in rememberance of me, so we do.

I want to point out that I'm not trying to tell you this is the way everyone has to be. I'm only responding to your question. And I'm not trying to convert you to the way I think, just trying to explain it.

I don't expect you to understand everything, or to really accept Catholicism, because you've never been brought up that way you've never have learned that Catholics are also Christians.

I've been to many services of the Protestant churches, where the preachers themselves would talk against the Catholics. Something I thought was crazy, because never do I go into a Catholic church and experience the same going the other way. In fact no one ever even talks about the Protestants.

I'm sure there are a few churches here and there that might talk about Protestants, I've just never experienced it.

What about "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus " no salvation outside the Church?

Why was this changed to "one can be saved outside the Church (RCC) but must become a part of the Church to remain saved?

What about the Eucharist, is not that demanded for salvation by the Church? Another ceremony by the Church.

There is only one author of Scripture who tells us exactly how to be saved, and it is none of above!

Romans 10:8-10

"But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[Samson2020]

Didn't Jesus say He was here to fulfill the Law?

And that He did.
But He also said that the whole of the law is summed up in two commandments: Love the Lord thy God with all you are and Love thy neighbor as thyself.
That is the royal law according to James 2:8 If the old Mosaic law was still in effect we would be circumcising folks when they are converted, but as it
isn't as far as fleshly ordinances are concerned we do not.

Spiritually speaking the Law was a marriage contract between Israel and God, but since they could not uphold their end of the contract there were no children
from the marriage.
When Jesus fulfilled the Law and took it to the cross He voided the old marriage contract. The New contract was the creation of sons through faith in the
first born Son being raised from the dead. Now if we are baptized into His death we are not under the law of ordinances and commandments, but free
from them. For the Law was to living men.

Gal 2:6 Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ................
Peter speaks"
Acts 15:8 And God, which knows the hearts bare them witness, by giving them the Holy Ghost, even as He did to us, and put no difference between
us and them(Gentiles). NOW WHY THEREFORE DO YE TEMP GOD TO PUT A YOKE UPON THE DISCIPLES NECK THAT NEITHER WE NOR OUR
FATHERS WERE ABLE TO BEAR.(Fulfill the Mosaic Law). But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH THE LAW, then Christ died in vain.

The Law keepers are only really after two things: Your adoring admiration of them and your money. Number one issue for them is TITHING, seconded by
your subjection to their rule over you.

Our Lord came out from Judah which the Mosaic Law never says a thing about a priest coming from Judah. Therefore, since there was a change in the
priesthood there was of necessity a change in the law, tithing went away for there are no Levites, nor are there just 11 other tribes, for God has included
Gentiles and Jews as one new man under the new covenant. Heb 7:11-12
So by the Law you would have to tithe to a levitical priest who in turn is doing service in a temple and for the people. That happening in the CC, any of
them Levites that take your money?


And don't forget CONFIRMATION, PENANCE, AND ORDERS.

 

[Bill]

And that He did.
But He also said that the whole of the law is summed up in two commandments: Love the Lord thy God with all you are and Love thy neighbor as thyself.
That is the royal law according to James 2:8 If the old Mosaic law was still in effect we would be circumcising folks when they are converted, but as it
isn't as far as fleshly ordinances are concerned we do not.

Spiritually speaking the Law was a marriage contract between Israel and God, but since they could not uphold their end of the contract there were no children
from the marriage.
When Jesus fulfilled the Law and took it to the cross He voided the old marriage contract. The New contract was the creation of sons through faith in the
first born Son being raised from the dead. Now if we are baptized into His death we are not under the law of ordinances and commandments, but free
from them. For the Law was to living men.

Gal 2:6 Knowing that a man is NOT JUSTIFIED by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ................
Peter speaks"
Acts 15:8 And God, which knows the hearts bare them witness, by giving them the Holy Ghost, even as He did to us, and put no difference between
us and them(Gentiles). NOW WHY THEREFORE DO YE TEMP GOD TO PUT A YOKE UPON THE DISCIPLES NECK THAT NEITHER WE NOR OUR
FATHERS WERE ABLE TO BEAR.(Fulfill the Mosaic Law). But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; FOR IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COMES THROUGH THE LAW, then Christ died in vain.

The Law keepers are only really after two things: Your adoring admiration of them and your money. Number one issue for them is TITHING, seconded by
your subjection to their rule over you.

Our Lord came out from Judah which the Mosaic Law never says a thing about a priest coming from Judah. Therefore, since there was a change in the
priesthood there was of necessity a change in the law, tithing went away for there are no Levites, nor are there just 11 other tribes, for God has included
Gentiles and Jews as one new man under the new covenant. Heb 7:11-12
So by the Law you would have to tithe to a levitical priest who in turn is doing service in a temple and for the people. That happening in the CC, any of
them Levites that take your money?


And don't forget CONFIRMATION, PENANCE, AND ORDERS.

I think you misunderstood what I meant by the laws of Moses.

God orchestrated the way in which he was to be worshiped. The building of the Temple, all the ornate objects that were in the temple. The way the priests were dressed, and the Holiness of the whole thing of who could touch what, or not touch something.

Jesus never told anyone not to continue worshiping God and following these traditions that God had set out. This is what I was trying to talk about the traditions of God.

As far as going Beyond talking about what God teaches in Scripture, I'm not here for a fight. And that's not what I was sent here for in the first place.

I was sent here by the Lord, to talk about God's love.

 

[Bill]

What about "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus " no salvation outside the Church?

Why was this changed to "one can be saved outside the Church (RCC) but must become a part of the Church to remain saved?

What about the Eucharist, is not that demanded for salvation by the Church? Another ceremony by the Church.

There is only one author of Scripture who tells us exactly how to be saved, and it is none of above!

Romans 10:8-10

"But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

You only asked " what are the requirements for one to be saved (born again) in the RCC"

This I have answered.

I was sent here by the Lord to talk about God's love.

So let us talk about God's love.

If a person has faith and the love of God in their heart, and also believes in the presence of angels. Would it be right for someone who does not believe in the presence of angels, to condemn that person?

There are some churches that believe that dancing is evil. Shall I condemn them, because I don't think dancing is evil? Of course not, it is ridiculous.

In the scripture, we see that the Disciples of Jesus, not including the apostles. Could not grasp the understanding of the bread and the wine. Did you see Jesus condemning them? Nor do I condemn you because you do not understand what I understand.

Certainly there are some Catholics that feel that they are above others, and they are in for a rude awakening. Because that is being judgmental. Jesus teaches us there is only One Judge. It is neither you or I that is this judge.

Even those who are pagans, that really live the life of a pagan, should not be judged to where they're going to end up when they die. Because we do not know the mind of God.

As far as pagans go, we are to preach the word to them. To reach out with love to those that do not understand God's love. We are to forgive them, and pray for them, that they shall find God.

 

[Samson2020]

Jesus never told anyone not to continue worshiping God and following these traditions that God had set out. This is what I was trying to talk about the traditions of God.

Would you mind pointing out somewhere in the NT where the traditions in the OT were to be followed in the new age. The veil was rent at the moment of His death
signifying the end of the Levitical way.

I'm not here for a fight. And that's not what I was sent here for in the first place.

I'm not after a fight either just to help wherever one may need help.

 

[Charlie24]

You only asked " what are the requirements for one to be saved (born again) in the RCC"

This I have answered.

I was sent here by the Lord to talk about God's love.

So let us talk about God's love.

If a person has faith and the love of God in their heart, and also believes in the presence of angels. Would it be right for someone who does not believe in the presence of angels, to condemn that person?

There are some churches that believe that dancing is evil. Shall I condemn them, because I don't think dancing is evil? Of course not, it is ridiculous.

In the scripture, we see that the Disciples of Jesus, not including the apostles. Could not grasp the understanding of the bread and the wine. Did you see Jesus condemning them? Nor do I condemn you because you do not understand what I understand.

Certainly there are some Catholics that feel that they are above others, and they are in for a rude awakening. Because that is being judgmental. Jesus teaches us there is only One Judge. It is neither you or I that is this judge.

Even those who are pagans, that really live the life of a pagan, should not be judged to where they're going to end up when they die. Because we do not know the mind of God.

As far as pagans go, we are to preach the word to them. To reach out with love to those that do not understand God's love. We are to forgive them, and pray for them, that they shall find God.

I'm not condemning any person, I'm condemning Catholicism.

If by chance any person takes offence by that, I'm only showing that salvation according to Catholicism is not found in Scripture.

Catholicism follows Judaism in that the ceremonies and rituals of Scripture have taken precedence over faith and truth in Christ.

In Revelation 3:20, Christ is standing outside the apostate church trying to get in.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. "

 

[Bill]

I could get into a good debate, but for the sake of this websight, and Bro. Bear and all the moderators. I am a guest here. If you wish to understand catholics, i suggest reading some unbiased books. Remember, not all catholics are like myself, nor all Protestants like you.

Whether a church believes in dancing or not, or a teacher preaches Saturday only. Or a person holds Mary the mother of Jesus in high esteem. None of these things will save you.

But anger and hatered, and slander towards your brothers and sisters will set you on God's chopping block.

So always reach out in love, God's love. Be forgiving to those who quarrel. Accept with open arms, and pray for the brothers and sisters. Do not let the Darkness control your need of "Righteousness", or what you deem as Righteousness.

If in the Righteousness, the idea is, "get beneath me" then it does not come from God. This "get beneath me" only comes from the devil.

We are not to set ourselves up as above others, but to be the servants.

If you go to the feast, thinking you are "all that". Expecting to be praised, then how foolish we look when God sets you at another table.

Even for myself, i only see me as the servant of the Most High. I know my place with God, but will not claim it. I would rather give to others my place in heaven. Not because i do not long to be there, but because i want all to be filled with God's love.

 

[Charlie24]

I could get into a good debate, but for the sake of this websight, and Bro. Bear and all the moderators. I am a guest here. If you wish to understand catholics, i suggest reading some unbiased books. Remember, not all catholics are like myself, nor all Protestants like you.

Whether a church believes in dancing or not, or a teacher preaches Saturday only. Or a person holds Mary the mother of Jesus in high esteem. None of these things will save you.

But anger and hatered, and slander towards your brothers and sisters will set you on God's chopping block.

So always reach out in love, God's love. Be forgiving to those who quarrel. Accept with open arms, and pray for the brothers and sisters. Do not let the Darkness control your need of "Righteousness", or what you deem as Righteousness.

If in the Righteousness, the idea is, "get beneath me" then it does not come from God. This "get beneath me" only comes from the devil.

We are not to set ourselves up as above others, but to be the servants.

If you go to the feast, thinking you are "all that". Expecting to be praised, then how foolish we look when God sets you at another table.

Even for myself, i only see me as the servant of the Most High. I know my place with God, but will not claim it. I would rather give to others my place in heaven. Not because i do not long to be there, but because i want all to be filled with God's love.

There is no "anger and hatred, and slander towards my brothers and sisters."

I have been stating facts about the most important thing in the life of any man/woman, that being salvation.

We either follow the Scripture to find the truth of salvation or we tip toe around it and lose in the end.

 

[Bill]

There is no "anger and hatred, and slander towards my brothers and sisters."

I have been stating facts about the most important thing in the life of any man/woman, that being salvation.

We either follow the Scripture to find the truth of salvation or we tip toe around it and lose in the end.

I was trying to find where I had said something, that was not scriptural or lead you to believe that I am not following the scripture. So I've copied a few of my statements.

"I fully agree " love God with your whole heart and love your neighbor as yourself""

"Must be baptized, must repent of sin and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour"

"Recieving the Blessed bread and wine are a center piece of the service. We believe when a priest blesses the bread and wine, it becomes the body and blood of Jesus."
This is found in Matt 26:26 - 28 , Mark 14:22 - 24, Luke 22:19&20, John 6:30 - 62.

Let me highlight from the Gospel of John.

" the Jews said, what sign will you give to show us that we should believe in you? What work will you do? Our fathers had manna to eat in the desert, as scripture says. He gave them bread from Heaven to eat."
Jesus answered, I tell you most solemnly it was not Moses who gave you bread from heaven, it was my father who gives you the bread from heaven. The true bread, for the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
Jesus is talking about himself being the bread that gives life to the world.
Jesus goes on to say, " I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never be hungry, he who believes in me will never thirst. But as I have told you you can see me and still you do not believe all that the father has given me will come to me and whoever comes to me I shall not turn him away."

Then later in John's gospel Jesus is speaking again, " if you do not eat the flush of the son of man and drink his blood you will not have life in you. Anyone who does Eat My Flesh and drink my blood has Eternal life, and I shall raise him up on the last day"

In John's gospel it says, " he taught this Doctrine at Capernaum, in the synagogue. After hearing it many of his followers said, "this is intolerable language. How can anyone accept it?"

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So you see Catholics do follow the scripture. We recognize that the Blessed Bread and Wine is the body and blood of Jesus

Your argument against the Catholics, is not against the Catholics. Your argument is against what you're willing to accept from scripture.

And as i have said before, God understands humanity. Jesus never said of those who did not grasp what was being said, that he condemned them. And this is showing to me the grace of God for all.

His followers the apostles, continued to practice the blessing of the Bread and Wine. And we know this because of the scripture. They too recognize that the bread and the wine after the blessing became the body and blood of Jesus.
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I'm sorry Bro Bear.

 

[Twistie]

I find that when a teaching is so ingrained, and so deeply embedded in people through almost Generations of the same teaching being taught over and over. And it is a false teaching. How do you reach a person to teach them that it is not in the Lord.

No I've tried a number of times at this website to explain my case, of why these teachings are not in the Lord. And even though to me it is clear even with all the scripture. They still will not believe it, or will not grasp it. Because it has been taught over the generations to be true.

A good example of this is the once saved always saved philosophy. Which is a false teaching.

But it takes a little bit of teaching, and a little understanding of the scripture to prove the case.

The first thing we have to look at is when Jesus is casting demons out of a person and the Pharisees or Sadducees are telling Jesus that it is only by the devil that he casts out demons. And Jesus tells them that the devil cannot cast out the devil.

We also see in the book of Acts that a human tries to cast a demon out without the power of God. And the demon throttles the person that tries to cast it out.

So these two examples show us that neither the devil nor man can cast a demon out of a person that only God can do that.

Now let us go back to the apostles in Jesus and Jesus sends the apostles out with his authority to cast out demons and to heal people. Jesus sends the apostles out to the towns to preach. And so they go out and they do these things and I find it interesting that if you look at this very scripture, it states in there the names of all the apostles that were sent out and of all the names Judas iscariot's full name is posted.

So we know without a doubt that Judas Iscariot is one of the 12 disciples who was sent out by Jesus to cast out demons and to heal people. And we also know that the only way a person can remove demons is they have to be in the Lord to do it.

Later when the apostles return to Jesus again it is listed all the names of the Apostles and Judas iscariot's full name is posted. And Jesus says to them Rejoice not in your work that you've done but Rejoice rather that your names are written in heaven.

Going back to the once saved always saved, it is clear in Scripture that Judas is scariest name was written in heaven, it's also clear that he also was one of those who went out casting out demons and healing people and we know that you can only cast out demons if you're in the Lord.

Later on we know that Judas betrays Jesus we know that he conspires with the Pharisees we know that he is paid 30 pieces of silver and we know what Jesus says of him it would have been better if you'd never been born. But you just made the choice to betray Jesus and later killed himself.

This understanding of the life of Judas blows out of the water any concept of the one saved always saved and predestination which are both false teachings

Flesh gives birth to flesh only Spirit births spirit YH is the only One who can reveal..I say this cause I learned to stop beating my head into walls is the only way I can think to say what I wanna say.. gosh I do sound rough huh?.. ;( Abba is still working on me tho I really am being taught how to be nice n I just got to so it can be gosh hard at times smh..

 

[Twistie]

I honestly feel sorry for those that have to go through the tribulation. Especially when it comes to the mark of the Beast.

If you have children, family, elderly parents, friends. It will be really difficult for all of us to withstand not getting the mark of the beast. Because we will hear the crying out of people who are starving. And we will want to help them

It will only be through faith, that we will prevail. And also in that faith we may have to let people starve to death.

We can always say that we know the mind of God. And we can always say that we think we know the compassion of God. But when children are starving, and you're praying, and there seems to be no answer. This is where the real test of faith begins.

If one isn't living by faith at this time n at this point.. I can honestly say idk how they r doing it.. alls we got is our faith.. we know it's He that's is sheltering us allowing food on our table allowing us a way to get hubby back n forth to all the specialists n the surgeons n finding us a nurse to come n change his line in the port..n so so so much more..I even may be going to try for my drivers license. If it wasn't for my Faith and especially His grace I would of just layer down n gave up a long long long time ago..frfr

But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

 

[Bill]

If one isn't living by faith at this time n at this point.. I can honestly say idk how they r doing it.. alls we got is our faith.. we know it's He that's is sheltering us allowing food on our table allowing us a way to get hubby back n forth to all the specialists n the surgeons n finding us a nurse to come n change his line in the port..n so so so much more..I even may be going to try for my drivers license. If it wasn't for my Faith and especially His grace I would of just layer down n gave up a long long long time ago..frfr

But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

We should always have compassion for the lost, you never know when a word you speak, a seed you sow, will bring another thief hanging on the cross to Jesus.

 

[Charlie24]

I was trying to find where I had said something, that was not scriptural or lead you to believe that I am not following the scripture. So I've copied a few of my statements.

"I fully agree " love God with your whole heart and love your neighbor as yourself""

"Must be baptized, must repent of sin and accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour"

"Recieving the Blessed bread and wine are a center piece of the service. We believe when a priest blesses the bread and wine, it becomes the body and blood of Jesus."
This is found in Matt 26:26 - 28 , Mark 14:22 - 24, Luke 22:19&20, John 6:30 - 62.

Let me highlight from the Gospel of John.

" the Jews said, what sign will you give to show us that we should believe in you? What work will you do? Our fathers had manna to eat in the desert, as scripture says. He gave them bread from Heaven to eat."
Jesus answered, I tell you most solemnly it was not Moses who gave you bread from heaven, it was my father who gives you the bread from heaven. The true bread, for the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
Jesus is talking about himself being the bread that gives life to the world.
Jesus goes on to say, " I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never be hungry, he who believes in me will never thirst. But as I have told you you can see me and still you do not believe all that the father has given me will come to me and whoever comes to me I shall not turn him away."

Then later in John's gospel Jesus is speaking again, " if you do not eat the flush of the son of man and drink his blood you will not have life in you. Anyone who does Eat My Flesh and drink my blood has Eternal life, and I shall raise him up on the last day"

In John's gospel it says, " he taught this Doctrine at Capernaum, in the synagogue. After hearing it many of his followers said, "this is intolerable language. How can anyone accept it?"

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So you see Catholics do follow the scripture. We recognize that the Blessed Bread and Wine is the body and blood of Jesus

Your argument against the Catholics, is not against the Catholics. Your argument is against what you're willing to accept from scripture.

And as i have said before, God understands humanity. Jesus never said of those who did not grasp what was being said, that he condemned them. And this is showing to me the grace of God for all.

His followers the apostles, continued to practice the blessing of the Bread and Wine. And we know this because of the scripture. They too recognize that the bread and the wine after the blessing became the body and blood of Jesus.
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I'm sorry Bro Bear.

The Scripture does not tell us we need a Catholic Priest to intercede on our behalf for anything. As a believer we have direct access to the Throne of God. My Priest is the High Priest (Jesus Christ) that intercedes on my behalf.

Hebrews 4:15-16

"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."


I don't need a Catholic Church to be saved, and I surly don't need a Pope who violates the Word of God on a regular basis.

 

[Bill]

The Scripture does not tell us we need a Catholic Priest to intercede on our behalf for anything. As a believer we have direct access to the Throne of God. My Priest is the High Priest (Jesus Christ) that intercedes on my behalf.

Hebrews 4:15-16

"For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."


I don't need a Catholic Church to be saved, and I surly don't need a Pope who violates the Word of God on a regular basis.

You're right, Jesus never told us that we had to receive the Catholic Church to be saved. He only said that you had to receive him to be saved, body and blood.

Like I said, the argument you have is not with the Catholic Church, it has to do with what you're willing to accept from scripture

You just use the Catholic Church as your reason not to follow the scripture

 

[Charlie24]

You're right, Jesus never told us that we had to receive the Catholic Church to be saved. He only said that you had to receive him to be saved, body and blood.

Like I said, the argument you have is not with the Catholic Church, it has to do with what you're willing to accept from scripture

You just use the Catholic Church as your reason not to follow the scripture

Yes, I'm thinking my argument is with the Catholic Church.

Bill, I'm sure you're a nice guy, and if we met we would could tell some of the same stories and get along just fine.

But don't tell me the RCC doesn't demand one to be part of their Church to be saved.

I know better! And it seems you're dodging that fact.

 

[Bill]

Yes, I'm thinking my argument is with the Catholic Church.

Bill, I'm sure you're a nice guy, and if we met we would could tell some of the same stories and get along just fine.

But don't tell me the RCC doesn't demand one to be part of their Church to be saved.

I know better! And it seems you're dodging that fact.

Your arguement is not about me. Like i said a few times, go read, unbiased writings.

As for me, i said why i think the way i do. I follow scripture.

I have never condemned Protestants, and i argue, with catholics, on behalf of Protestants all the time.

You see Protestants in general, overlook things, i do not. I use my spiritual experiences to help understand scripture on a deeper level.

If you pay attention to the words of Jesus, when He talks about the blessed body and blood, you will read something very important. And it is in every bible translation out there.

Recieving Jesus into your heart, is the most important thing.

Let us not get stuck on catholic rules, politics will kill your faith.

Jesus does not call you to be catholic, but he does call you to live with love in your heart

 

[Charlie24]

Your arguement is not about me. Like i said a few times, go read, unbiased writings.

As for me, i said why i think the way i do. I follow scripture.

I have never condemned Protestants, and i argue, with catholics, on behalf of Protestants all the time.

You see Protestants in general, overlook things, i do not. I use my spiritual experiences to help understand scripture on a deeper level.

If you pay attention to the words of Jesus, when He talks about the blessed body and blood, you will read something very important. And it is in every bible translation out there.

Recieving Jesus into your heart, is the most important thing.

Let us not get stuck on catholic rules, politics will kill your faith.

Jesus does not call you to be catholic, but he does call you to live with love in your heart

When we in our Church take the Lord's Supper it's a time to reflect on the broken body of Christ on the Cross (symbolized by the bread) and take of the cup (a symbol of His shed Blood for mankind).

We remember what Christ did there for us, and we examine ourselves that we are in the faith.

2 Cor. 13:5

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

 

[Bill]

When we in our Church take the Lord's Supper it's a time to reflect on the broken body of Christ on the Cross (symbolized by the bread) and take of the cup (a symbol of His shed Blood for mankind).

We remember what Christ did there for us, and we examine ourselves that we are in the faith.

2 Cor. 13:5

"Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

Reprobates, LOL.
Well I do like being the fool for the Lord, after all my birthday is April Fool's Day. It fits me so well.

I'm glad you take time in your church to reflect on the bread and the Brokenness of Christ on the cross. And all that Christ has done for us. It's more than what many do.