The Rapture

[Sue D.]

No rapture at All? That all born-again believers will Stay on this earth until the 1,000 reign of Christ unless they die first?

that means that apparently believe that all the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 have already taken place?!

And what 'key' Scriptures are being misunderstood?!

 

[Hekuran]

I've been through all that earlier in the thread.

What I'm responding to here is the claim that anyone who does not believe in the rapture is not a Christian.

 

[Sue D.]

I've heard lots of the pros and cons about the rapture coming from a variety of threads on various Forums.

It Is simply the matter of When it Does happen, not If it does. And that all born-again believers Will be taken up.

The second coming of Christ is when He will come down Here for the 1,000 yrs of reigning.

 

[Bendito]

My friend. There will be no rapture before the tribulation, i can attest to that. But you and all who have been taught this will never believe what i or anyone else has to say. I dont hold that against you. But because of this you will not be prepared for the antiChrist, either

Sir You are listening to, and teaching doctrines of demons here. This is a very dangerous teaching...If I were to follow your teaching, of no rapture, it would mean that I could live like hell, and expect heaven when I'm done....By that teaching, I could tell you almost the exact day that Jesus will come back.

 

[Sue D.]

Bendito -- actually that's not what he's saying at all.

@ Hekuran -- are you saying no rapture at All ? or simply the timing Of it.

 

[Bendito]

Bendito -- actually that's not what he's saying at all.

@ Hekuran -- are you saying no rapture at All ? or simply the timing Of it.

Bill said:
My friend. There will be no rapture before the tribulation,

 

[Bendito]

I'll respond to this -- utterly disgusting -- and you know Why I feel that way. Because my brother-in-law was a pastor / missions for 40 years. He helped establish three churches in Brazil. and My late husband was also a pastor for 5 yrs. And they also had a camp ministry and took in street kids.

You know Why pastors are generally up on a platform preaching / teaching God's Word.. Because that position is an especially honorable position. And they can see how their congregation is reacting to / responding to that which is being shared / taught. Eye contact is important. They can see if what's being presented from God's Word is being understood.

No pastor worth his 'salt' does sermon prep on his own. He's teaching God's Word as the Holy Spirit is guiding him. He searches out Scripture -- that is his calling. He cares about the souls of his congregation.

The pulpit is Holy Ground. It is Not to be abused.

And, unfortunately there Are many churches that Don't teach Bible. God is going to hold them Extra accountable for those they lead astray. But people Also have the Holy Spirit guiding Them as to what church to attend. And some people really don't care about church.

Your portrayal of the pastorate -- well -- disgusting. And now you owe More apologies.

Sue....Tell me where a preacher is any more special than anyone else? He/she is not more special....They're there to serve, the same as elders, deacons, and the janitors.

 

[Bendito]

I challenge any and all of you to listen to this. 53:15 All of you can afford this much time.....Listen to the entire session...Please!
The Mystery of the Rapture - Amir Tsarfati

The Mystery of the Rapture - Amir Tsarfati

 

[Bendito]

I challenge any and all of you to lisen to this clip. It's only 53:15. We can all afford that small amount of time.

 

[Hekuran]

Bendito -- actually that's not what he's saying at all.

@ Hekuran -- are you saying no rapture at All ? or simply the timing Of it.

No rapture at all. The Bible never encourages us to put our hope in going to heaven. Our place is on the earth, renewed and released from the bondage of decay and death. That's what resurrection hope is.

 

[Bendito]

No rapture at all. The Bible never encourages us to put our hope in going to heaven. Our place is on the earth, renewed and released from the bondage of decay and death. That's what resurrection hope is.

Yup...That's a doctrine of demons.

 

[Hekuran]

Yup...That's a doctrine of demons.

Do you have any constructive remark to make? If I am wrong, be courteous enough to show me where. Otherwise, I was responding to Sue D and it would be better to keep a reign on your ignorant interjections.

 

[Bendito]

Do you have any constructive remark to make? If I am wrong, be courteous enough to show me where. Otherwise, I was responding to Sue D and it would be better to keep a reign on your ignorant interjections.

There are several scriptures, that you know, that refer to a pretrib rapture...There are also a couple precedents for it...Your British lAW law is strong on precedent as is American law, Canadian law, Australian law.......And it comes from the bible. PRECEDENT. To deny the rapture, the catching up of the Bride, the harpazo is deadly dangerous...And it denies Gods promise
I would rather tell you flat out, to your face, than keep silent. You deny Gods promise!

 

[Hekuran]

So you're just going repeat that I'm wrong without saying anything substantial. You're just caught up in churchianity teaching aren't you?

 

[Bendito]

There are several scriptures, that you know, that refer to a pretrib rapture...There are also a couple precedents for it...Your British lAW law is strong on precedent as is American law, Canadian law, Australian law.......And it comes from the bible. PRECEDENT. To deny the rapture, the catching up of the Bride, the harpazo is deadly dangerous...And it denies Gods promise
I would rather tell you flat out, to your face, than keep silent. You deny Gods promise!

Here are just a few scriptures that you ignore on the subject of pretrib rapture.


1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Luke 17:34-37 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 3:10 - Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Mark 13:32 - But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Matthew 24:31 - And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luke 12:40 - Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Matthew 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Luke 17:34 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Mark 13:32-37 - But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matthew 24:27 - For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So.....Where is the promise of His coming? You can find them from Genesis to Revelation!

 

[Bendito]

So you're just going repeat that I'm wrong without saying anything substantial. You're just caught up in churchianity teaching aren't you?

Hmmmm Well, one of us appears to be....

 

[Hekuran]

Here are just a few scriptures that you ignore on the subject of pretrib rapture.


1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Luke 17:34-37 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 4:16 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 3:10 - Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Mark 13:32 - But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Matthew 24:31 - And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luke 12:40 - Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Matthew 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Luke 17:34 - I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Mark 13:32-37 - But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matthew 24:27 - For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So.....Where is the promise of His coming? You can find them from Genesis to Revelation!

Not one of those talks about going to heaven. You are stupid enough to say I'm promoting a doctrine of demons without having a scrap of evidence to back it up. I'm fed up reading your arrogant bullying approach to debate. Is this the best you've got?

 

[Chad]

No rapture at all. The Bible never encourages us to put our hope in going to heaven. Our place is on the earth, renewed and released from the bondage of decay and death. That's what resurrection hope is.

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[Bendito]

Not one of those talks about going to heaven. You are stupid enough to say I'm promoting a doctrine of demons without having a scrap of evidence to back it up. I'm fed up reading your arrogant bullying approach to debate. Is this the best you've got?

These verses speak of the catching up of the saints before the tribulation period....The Rapture.
Why is it stupid or bullying to give somebody SCRIPTURE? It's Gods promise that you're fighting against.

 

[Hekuran]

These verses speak of the catching up of the saints before the tribulation period....The Rapture.
Why is it stupid or bullying to give somebody SCRIPTURE? It's Gods promise that you're fighting against.

They don't. None of them do. You are mistaken.

And you didn't start by giving scripture, you started by saying I'm giving the doctrine of demons.