The Rapture

[Bendito]

Rapture Deception
Christ warns us in scripture to not be decieved and then explains in scripture His 2nd coming in Detail!

He never mentions a secret caught up of the church before He returns! That is False Doctrine!

Christ is telling us what it will be like at His 2nd coming and what signs to look for. NO ONE knows the exact day, only the FATHER AHAYAH!

Christians believe they won't have to go through Great Tribulation but that's not what Scriptures say! Let's read:

Matthew 24:3-5
[3]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

[4]And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

[5]For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:36-41
[36]But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

[37]But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Question, in Noe's day did anyone get raptured up??? Yashaya said it's going to be just like it was in Noe's day!
Remember
2 Peter 1:20
[20]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Let's continue:

[38]For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

[39]And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Question? Verse 39 says, And knew not until the flood came. Who knew not? Noah and his family or those outside the ark? Since Noah was obeying GOD in building the ark they knew the flood was coming! But those outside did not know it was coming.

And took them all away (those outside the ark) were killed and destroyed.

The word Took is the same as (TAKEN) in some scriptures. It is important to understand how it is being used.
Here it means killed, destroyed!

It's funny we say when someone dies that the Lord Took him! See how WE associate that word with death!
(Took) in that scripture means
death occurred!
Confirmed in these scriptures:
After The Flood

Genesis 7:21-23
[21]And all flesh died, that mooued vpon the earth, both of fowle, & of cattell, and of beast, and of euery creeping thing that creepeth vpon the earth, and euery man.

[22]All in whose nosethrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

[23]And euery liuing substance was destroyed, which was vpon the face of the ground, both man and cattell, and the creeping things, and the foule of the heauen; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah onely remained aliue, and they that were with him in the Arke.
Remained alive and left behind means
The same!

Christ explains:

Luke 17:26-31,34-36
[26]And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

[27]They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28]Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

[29]But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

[30]Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

[31]In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

In these next scriptures someone Is Taken (killed) or left behind to live. As it was in the days of noah referring to the word Took
As Christ said!

[34]I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

[35]Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

[36]Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

[40]Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

[41]Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Remember in Noahs's day no one was raptured up, some were killed and some were left alive!

The Christian Church and Catholic church made us believe that being Taken was a good thing and being left behind was not but come to find out that it's the total opposite in those scriptures

Question, in Noe's day did anyone get raptured up??? Yashaya said it's going to be just like it was in Noe's day!
Yes! Eight people were 'caught up' into the ark, and did not experience the destruction. A type (picture) of the rapture.
As it was in the days of Noah means the conditions in those days. Activities were the same as today. Normal life...So what was being referred to here? As it was in the days of Noah? They were eating, drinking, giving in marriage,and taking in marriage? Who was eating, drinking, and marrying?

[23]And euery liuing substance was destroyed, which was vpon the face of the ground, both man and cattell, and the creeping things, and the foule of the heauen; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah onely remained aliue, and they that were with him in the Arke.
I like that! What version is that?

"In these next scriptures someone Is Taken (killed) or left behind to live. As it was in the days of noah referring to the word Took" I'm sorry, you have this all backward.
You are studying the Word, no doubt, but you cannot understand things of the Spirit by studying them intellectually. You need to seek the wisdom of the Holy Spirit to learn any Word.

 

[Bendito]

Does Christ explain the secret rapture of the church or His 2nd coming?

Both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sue D.]

Lacawar -- well -- all the Scripture you used Are in the Bible and say what they say......however.......

The comparison to the days of Noah was about the horrible sin, corruption taking place at that time. That Noah and his family were the only righteous people alive at that time.

God chose to kill the people He had made because of the awful sinfulness they lived in. God gave Noah instructions on how to build the ark -- the ark was their 'salvation' that God provided for them. Everyone else would die in their sinfulness.

You've stated that both the Christian and Catholic church have the rapture backwards. That it's the unsaved that are taken Up by Christ and the believers will be left here. WHY would the sinful people be taken Up to be With Jesus for eternity.

I'm curious as to what group you Do identify with.

There is no 'secret' rapture -- it will be proclaimed by the sound of a trumpet. Trumpets are loud instruments. People will be disappearing. And both the rapture and the 2nd coming are explained. Described.

And regarding the world-wide flood of Noah's day. God gave him specific instructions for it's building. It took Time to build something that big -- don't you think that people would be Asking Noah and his sons what they were doing / building and why? Wouldn't he have explained the Why's with the hope that people would listen and repent. No doubt they had a Lot of time to listen --just like we do Now. Does everyone listen to Us? No. There are those who laugh , scoff, won't believe God's Word. No different than back then.

And the conditions back in Noahs' day included a great deal of violence.

As for the Great tribulation -- the 7 yrs of tribulation being divided into two sections of time -- Look at Daniel 9.

This world is Full of tribulation. Trials, problems. But Daniel 9 :24 - end of chapter. esp vs 27 a period of 7 years (one week) confirming a covenant with many for that period of time, In the middle of that time 3 1/2 yrs. From That time to the end of that 7 yr period will be the Great Tribulation. The Antichrist will be revealed. And That will be a horrible time.

Looks like you've done a Lot of researching in Short amount of time.

 

[Bendito]

Lacawar -- well -- all the Scripture you used Are in the Bible and say what they say......however.......

The comparison to the days of Noah was about the horrible sin, corruption taking place at that time. That Noah and his family were the only righteous people alive at that time.

God chose to kill the people He had made because of the awful sinfulness they lived in. God gave Noah instructions on how to build the ark -- the ark was their 'salvation' that God provided for them. Everyone else would die in their sinfulness.

You've stated that both the Christian and Catholic church have the rapture backwards. That it's the unsaved that are taken Up by Christ and the believers will be left here. WHY would the sinful people be taken Up to be With Jesus for eternity.

I'm curious as to what group you Do identify with.

There is no 'secret' rapture -- it will be proclaimed by the sound of a trumpet. Trumpets are loud instruments. People will be disappearing. And both the rapture and the 2nd coming are explained. Described.

And regarding the world-wide flood of Noah's day. God gave him specific instructions for it's building. It took Time to build something that big -- don't you think that people would be Asking Noah and his sons what they were doing / building and why? Wouldn't he have explained the Why's with the hope that people would listen and repent. No doubt they had a Lot of time to listen --just like we do Now. Does everyone listen to Us? No. There are those who laugh , scoff, won't believe God's Word. No different than back then.

And the conditions back in Noahs' day included a great deal of violence.

As for the Great tribulation -- the 7 yrs of tribulation being divided into two sections of time -- Look at Daniel 9.

This world is Full of tribulation. Trials, problems. But Daniel 9 :24 - end of chapter. esp vs 27 a period of 7 years (one week) confirming a covenant with many for that period of time, In the middle of that time 3 1/2 yrs. From That time to the end of that 7 yr period will be the Great Tribulation. The Antichrist will be revealed. And That will be a horrible time.

Looks like you've done a Lot of researching in Short amount of time.

Genesis 6:8-13 talks about Noah....And the verses, talk about the second coming, not the rapture...
Days of Noah Today


Eating drinking giving in marriage Life as usual Eating drinking giving in marriage Life as usual


Violence everywhere Violence everywhere


Sexual immorality everywhere Sexual immorality everywhere


Sacrificing babies to Molloch Sacrificing babies to Molloch. Molloch is the one who demands this.


Today is not different from the days of Noah and has been for many years, yet God has not done anything about it. No destruction of the people. His mercy is brand new every morning. So what was different about the days of Noah that we do not see now? Second Timothy 3:1–4 gives us a clear picture of the state of the world before Jesus comes and most likely also describes the world in the days of Noah. That verse says, “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.” It is becoming increasingly obvious that, to understand what the world was like in the days of Noah, we only need to watch the evening news.


The difference is this....Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives were in the ark. God closed the door locking them in.....Now this! All of the people outside the ark were no longer human, but were in fact Nephilim hybrids.

Genesis 6:8-13 (CJB)
8 But Noach found grace in the sight of Adonai.
Haftarah B’resheet: Yesha‘yahu (Isaiah) 42:5–43:10 (A); 42:5–21 (S)
B’rit Hadashah suggested readings for Parashah B’resheet: Mattityahu (Matthew) 1:1–17; 19:3–9; Mark 10:1–12; Luke 3:23–38; Yochanan (John) 1:1–18; 1 Corinthians 6:15–20; 15:35–58; Romans 5:12–21; Ephesians 5:21–32; Colossians 1:14–17; 1 Timothy 2:11–15; Messianic Jews (Hebrews) 1:1–3; 3:7–4:11; 11:1–7; 2 Kefa (2 Peter) 3:3–14; Revelation 21:1–5; 22:1–5
Parashah 2: Noach (Noah) 6:9–11:32
9 Here is the history of Noach. In his generation, Noach was a man righteous and wholehearted; Noach walked with God. 10 Noach fathered three sons, Shem, Ham and Yefet. 11 The earth was corrupt before God, the earth was filled with violence. 12 God saw the earth, and, yes, it was corrupt; for all living beings had corrupted their ways on the earth.

13 God said to Noach, “The end of all living beings has come before me, for because of them the earth is filled with violence. I will destroy them along with the earth.
KJV says Noah was perfect in his generations. If you do a word study on "Noah was perfect in his generations" you will find, not that Noah was sinless, or without the weaknesses of the flesh, but that his line was complete, whole, healthy, uncorrupted....unblemished!
Thats where the difference lies between Noah and the rest of the people....Noah's line was unblemished. All the rest of the people on Earth were Nephilim hybrids...They were corrupted by Nephiliim DNA. NO LONGER HUMAN. God's plan of salvation was to save humans.


During the tribulation period, people will take the mark...something that will corrupt their DNA, and will immediately condemn these people to everlasting damnation. I suspect a chip, because so far, its the only thing that could conceivably corrupt a persons DNA

The Word says the world was corrupt before God....
Corrupt
to destroy, corrupt, go to ruin, decay

1. (Niphal) to be marred, be spoiled, be corrupted, be corrupt, be injured, be ruined, be rotted
2. (Piel)
   1. to spoil, ruin
   2. to pervert, corrupt, deal corruptly (morally)
3. (Hiphil)
   1. to spoil, ruin, destroy
   2. to pervert, corrupt (morally)
   3. destroyer (participle)
4. (Hophal) spoiled, ruined (participle)

 

[Lacawar]

I love scripture because it says what it means and means what it says!
Revelation 22:18-19
[18]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

[19]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

No one will be dissappearing and After CHRIST returns after the tribulation does getting caught up takes place!

John 17:15
[15]I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

John 12:38
[38]That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

2 Peter 1:20
[20]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2 Timothy 3:16
[16]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Colossians 2:8
[8]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[B-A-C]

There are two directions of traffic here.

Some people are getting caught UP, as in "up" to the clouds, or "up" to heaven.

1 Thes 4:17; Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Some people are coming DOWN, as in "down" from the clouds, or "down" from heaven.

Rev 19:13; He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14; And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.
Rev 19:15; From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
Rev 19:16; And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

Now of course Jesus is God, and He can do whatever He wants, but it specifically says He gather people to be caught UP with him in some verses.
It says He coming down "to strike the nations" (on earth) in other verses, it seems unlikely he is going up and down at the same time.

But even if don't believe any of that, rapture simply means "gather up", several verses in the Bible say He going to "gather" up people.

Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
Mark 13:27; "And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

1 Thes 4:16; For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1 Thes 4:17; Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Like you said...

Rev 22:19; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

 

[Lacawar]

1st The word rapture is NOT in the Bible
2nd the words GATHER TOGETHER are only used for the ELECT no one else!
Then the dead in Christ will get caught up!
3rd CHRIST is God the son, HE never says HE'S GOD the FATHER!
There is also God the Holy Spirit
Three seperate beings that are ONE!
CHRIST says:
John 16:25-28
[25]These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
[26]At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
[27]For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
[28]I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Colossians 2:8
[8]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Lacawar]

At the 2nd coming when CHRIST is here will everyone in CHRIST get caught up and changed from mortality to immortality. No one is disappearing!

Let's read:
1 Corinthians 15:42-54
[42]So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[43]It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44]It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[45]And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[46]Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[47]The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[48]As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[49]And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
[50]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
[51]Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52]In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54]So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[Dave M]

the most important thing is to live for God now, and serve him while we have a chance now. I think some people are so worried about eschatology they forget that we are to be spreading the gospel now living for Christ now and they are really missing out on what is important serving God and loving our neighbors as our self.

I used to believe in the pre- trib rapture, but I am not sure any more and just dont focus on end times, its really not 100% clear in the bible IMO while other things are 100% clear in the bible that I should focus on. And thats how to be a better servant of God while I still have a chance.

 

[B-A-C]

At the 2nd coming when CHRIST is here will everyone in CHRIST get caught up and changed from mortality to immortality. No one is disappearing!

Matt 24:40; "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left.
Matt 24:41; "Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.
Matt 24:42; "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.

Luke 17:33; "Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.
Luke 17:34; "I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left.
Luke 17:35; "There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left.
Luke 17:36; ["Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left."]

1st The word rapture is NOT in the Bible

But the words "gather up" are. Which is all rapture means. The word "trinity" isn't in the Bible either.

Let's read:
1 Corinthians 15:42-54

That's a great passage, what does it have to do with the rapture vs the second coming? Can you prove the timeline of when this happens in that passage?

 

[Lacawar]

The Left Behind teachings are False Doctrines that doesn't line up with scripture!

Colossians 2:8
[8]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

[Bendito]

1st The word rapture is NOT in the Bible
2nd the words GATHER TOGETHER are only used for the ELECT no one else!
Then the dead in Christ will get caught up!
3rd CHRIST is God the son, HE never says HE'S GOD the FATHER!
There is also God the Holy Spirit
Three seperate beings that are ONE!
CHRIST says:
John 16:25-28
[25]These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
[26]At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
[27]For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
[28]I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Colossians 2:8
[8]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

LOL Oh There it is! The same OLD argument. "The word 'rapture' is not in the bible? The word 'gravity' is not in the bible. Thus there is no such thing as gravity. Automobiles, airplanes, computers, all do not exist because they are not mentioned in the bible. That's muddle-headed logic,Lacawar. Don't go there. Stick with the Word. What does God say about the subject? You make a statement, and it's only right that people look for holes in you hypothesis...And the most glaring hole in yours is that you have taken two separate events and mashed them into a single event. Here! You've taken 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 and Revelation 19:11-16 which contradict each other. One says we meet Him in the air, while the other says on the ground. So which is it? That's a hole in your hypothesis large enough to park a UFO in there

 

[Lacawar]

False Doctrine has won you over.
I undersrand when the Lord says if you wanna believe false doctrine he'll let you and HE'LL send you strong delusion.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
[10]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Sue D.]

The book of Revelation says that God's judgement will be against those who do choose to take the 666 -- but it won't corrupt anyones DNA. The mark of the beast is talked about in chapter 13. vs 16 "He also forced everyone, small and great , rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,"

After that there are three angels -- the third angel says in a loud voice "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb."

Genesis speaks of the existence of a group of people called the Nephilim -- a footnote says that the word in Hebrew means "fallen ones" and they are mentioned again in Numbers 13 as men who were of great stature -- vs 33 "We saw the Nephilim there (the descendents of Anak come from the Nephilim) . We looked like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Which means that the Nephilim were not destroyed by the flood. Apparently their DNA was passed on through Noah and his sons because they're still around in the book of Numbers. All that really means is that they were human beings with DNA like every person who's alive.

Throughout history there is evidence of genetic 'problems' that pop up every so often. It's called gigantism / growth hormones. The same way with dwarfism. Thus, we find the Nephilim. They were in one particular geographical area of the world.

The Godhead / God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son, the Holy Spirit are spirit. No DNA - not human. Jesus Christ, the Son of God Was on this earth as a human man -- DNA through Mary's body. Which made Him both human and deity. But after His bodily resurrection -- He had a glorified body. He ascended back up to heaven --Son of God. What ever DNA He'd had , He gave back probably at the cross as He died with our sin.

When a person accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Savior -- the Holy Spirit comes to indwell them. The Holy Spirit is 'spirit' ,

 

[Sue D.]

My post was meant to be after #64, but my internet was down so it couldn't get in where it was meant to be.

 

[Sue D.]

The Left Behind teachings are False Doctrines that doesn't line up with scripture!

Colossians 2:8
[8]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

You're right -- the Left Behind series gives a wrong impression about right after the rapture takes place. Gives the impression that all of a sudden people's eyes are Opened -- that Bible really Is right. But Scripture says that those left behind will have their 'eye's believing other things. The movie gives the impression that it will be possible to 'observe' the rapture and Then accept Christ as Savior.

People have been deluded in many ways.

 

[B-A-C]

The movie gives the impression that it will be possible to 'observe' the rapture and Then accept Christ as Savior.

Either people will get saved during the tribulation, or else the church goes through the tribulation. Because saints come out of the tribulation.

Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Also, some people will be protected against certain parts of the tribulation.

Rev 7:3; saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."

Rev 9:4; They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

 

[B-A-C]

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Believers will be beheaded during the tribulation because of their faith. Now either the rapture doesn't happen before the tribulation, or else if it does, people
still can get saved after the rapture.

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5; The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

If there is no rapture before the tribulation, then ONLY those who are martyred during the tribulation will have part in the first resurrection.
Also ONLY these people will rule and reign will Christ during the millennial reign, because the "rest of dead" don't come to life until "after the thousand years are completed".

Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

The gathering together of the elect happens "after" the tribulation. This could be taken a few different ways.

1. This is "mid" trib and the great tribulation ( second half of the seven years) hasn't happened yet, only the "regular tribulation" of the first 3 1/2 years.
2. This is "post" trib and the church had to go through it all.
3. Someone here mentioned "the elect" is only the Jews and the church is already gone (not my view)
4. This is the second coming, and the rapture of the church has already happened. These are people who got saved during the tribulation, after the rapture.

 

[Lacawar]

Christ DNA is not through Mary, it is through Joseph According to the flesh!

 

[B-A-C]

Christ DNA is not through Mary, it is through Joseph According to the flesh!

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this... Joseph is Jesus's biological father? Jesus was not conceived by the Holy Spirit?