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Idk, you tell me. Scripture recorded where they came from and what they expected, that much is crystal clear.
"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."
"And behold they cried out, saying: What have we to do with thee, Jesus Son of God? Art thou come hither to TORMENT us before the time?"
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Yes and no. Those two laws only apply in a "closed system", but God is OUTSIDE the system, he is outside the time-space continuum, that's why he could create heaven and earth from nothing at the beginning and maintain the system continuously.
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Could be a reference of one of the ten plagues back in Egypt, there're a lot of parallels.
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can you please explain that?
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Exodus 8:1-15, the second plague, frogs.
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• Ps 115:17-18 . .The dead do not praise The Lord, nor do any who go down into
silence. But as for us, we will bless The Lord from this time forth and forever.
The "dead" in that verse are different than a corpse. It pertains to folks who's superior
is themselves instead of submitting to a supreme being. (cf. Ps 2:1-3)
"any who go down into silence" tells us that they might just as well be mute in the
afterlife because The Lord no longer lends them His ear; they're permanently cut off
from His benevolence, viz: The Lord has no interest whatsoever in either their worship
nor their prayers, i.e. they are dead to Him; and as far as He's concerned they're like old
documents disposed in the shredder because they no longer matter.
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silence. But as for us, we will bless The Lord from this time forth and forever.
The "dead" in that verse are different than a corpse. It pertains to folks who's superior
is themselves instead of submitting to a supreme being. (cf. Ps 2:1-3)
"any who go down into silence" tells us that they might just as well be mute in the
afterlife because The Lord no longer lends them His ear; they're permanently cut off
from His benevolence, viz: The Lord has no interest whatsoever in either their worship
nor their prayers, i.e. they are dead to Him; and as far as He's concerned they're like old
documents disposed in the shredder because they no longer matter.
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@Butch5 , the majority in the world don't like the topic on Hell, and everlasting burnings, yet this is scriptural.
INTRODUCTION:
ETERNAL PUNISHMENT
Eternal punishment is the most solemn doctrine in all the Bible and it is subject on which I have never written. I have a dear uncle who was like a father to me and about whom I can hardly bear to think because I have a horror that he may not have accepted Christ before he died, even though the Gospel had been clearly presented to him. Nevertheless, this is doctrine which needs to be expounded because we live in a day when almost everyone thinks they are going to heaven (or some alternative thereof) when they die. So we need to look at what the Bible says about life after death and the doctrine of eternal punishment or Hell.
Solomon's words would be apropos as we ponder the sobering truths about the eternal destiny of all who reject the gift of eternal life and refuse to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ...
"The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, That one may avoid the snares of death." (Proverbs 14:27)
J I Packer on preaching hell - To announce the reality of hell is a testing and grueling task. The compassion and fellow-feeling that should mark all Christian communicators require us to do it, not with gloating and contempt, but with tears, if not in our eyes, then in our hearts. Any appearance of off-handness in our manner will surely discredit our matter, just because it discredits us as human beings. It is hard to take seriously a message from a messenger who does not appear to take it seriously himself, or at any rate not to feel about it as a good man should. R. W. Dale once said that D. L. Moody had a right to preach about hell because he so clearly did so from a weeping heart.
To quote Francis Chan "As we roll up our sleeves and dig into the topic of hell, it’s important that you don’t distance what the Bible says from reality. In other words, don’t forget that the doctrine you are studying may be the destiny of many people. Hell should not be studied without tearful prayer. We must weep, pray, and fast over this issue, begging God to reveal to us through His Word the truth about hell. Because we can’t be wrong on this one." (Erasing Hell)
Watch Francis Chan's video on Erasing Hell.
One of the primary goals of this study is to review the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ regarding eternal punishment for He spoke more about this sobering subject than anyone else in the Bible. Note however that there will no attempt to make this study an all inclusive discussion of Hell which is one reason a number of other resources are listed.
DIGRESSION ON "ETERNAL"
THE GREEK WORD AIONIOS
ADDENDUM: Since this article has generated negative critical feedback from universalists, those who hold to the unbiblical belief that every soul ever born will be saved and saved forever, I have been prompted to add a short note at the beginning because a universalist will not likely read the entire article. Much could be said, but the essence of the truth stands or falls on one word.
What does the word eternal (aionios) mean as it is used in Scripture, NOT as it is used by secular writers, including ancient Greek writers? Thankfully, God's Spirit has used the word aionios numerous times so one may glean an excellent sense of what this word means in the Bible. Can you find Greek "authorities" who say aionios does not mean eternal? Absolutely, but every man that claims to be an "authority" on this word is also a sinner and his words are not inspired by God, and thus are fallible and subject to error (they are not inerrant)! Only God's Word is inspired by the Spirit of God (Who is the Spirit of Truth). Only God's Word is infallible. Only God's Word is inerrant. Therefore whatever God says on ANY subject is absolute truth, and takes absolute precedence over how the same word was used in the writings of fallen men. That said, here is what the GOD OF TRUTH SAYS about the crucial word ETERNAL (aionios) (And these are only a few examples to make the point).
Matthew 25:41 (WORDS OF JESUS) “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal (aionios) fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
COMMENT - Jesus clearly states those on His left are to depart into the "ETERNAL FIRE." So Jesus believes in an ETERNAL FIRE. Is that a fair statement based on His own declaration? Secondly, Jesus states this ETERNAL FIRE is a place which has been prepared for the DEVIL. So that begs a question -- If ETERNAL FIRE is not real, then will the devil be let out of that place at some point in the future? Clearly there is no Scripture that supports that premise. In fact John records the devil's fate in Revelation 20:10+ "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." How long will the devil be tormented according to John? These passages strongly support the premise that eternal fire will last forever, throughout eternity.
Matthew 25:46 (WORDS OF JESUS) “These will go away into eternal (aionios) punishment, but the righteous into eternal (aionios) life.”
COMMENT - What is Jesus contrasting? Eternal punishment and eternal life. Correct? According to Jesus how long is life? Eternal. According to Jesus how long is punishment? Eternal. One can parse Jesus' words or attempt specious, clever word games, but His words are very simple and straightforward and clearly indicate that there are two states of every man ever born, either eternal punishment or eternal life. There is no middle ground. And if one argues that aionios does not mean "eternal" than they are painting themselves into a theological corner, because if eternal punishment is not forever, then eternal life is not forever and we are all in a hopeless situation!
Paul uses aionos to describe the nature of God writing
but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal (aionios) God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith. (Ro 16:26)
COMMENT - If aionios does not mean eternal, then one is forced to say from this passage that God will not exist forever, which of course is absolutely absurd. Aionios in this context clearly means eternal, everlasting, forever and ever. Amen!
Paul again uses aionos in a description of one aspect of God writing
Who (GOD) Alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, Whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal (aionios) dominion! Amen. (1 Ti 6:16)
COMMENT - Paul is blessing God and ascribing to Him eternal dominion. Dominion is kratos which refers to inherent strength which displays itself in the rule over others. It follows that if God's kratos is not eternal, at some point He will not have the strength to rule. Again this is clearly not true or otherwise we are all left without any hope of eternal life. Again, it is clear that aionios in this context means eternal, everlasting, forever, without end!
The writer of Hebrews uses aionos in a description of God the Spirit writing
how much more will the blood of Christ, Who through the eternal (aionios)Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:14)
COMMENT - Once again, if one proposes that aionios does not mean eternal, then they are forced to conclude that the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Jesus, the Spirit of Jesus Christ, will not exist forever. Again such logic is not logic, but lies. Eternal means forever and ever. Amen.
If we let the Bible be our plumbline regarding the meaning of the Greek word aionios, then clearly the Biblical uses of this word indicates the meaning is forever, without end, eternal. And while it is not my favorite theological truth, it is clear from the Word of God that there will be eternal punishment for every soul that does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ while they still have breath in their lungs and a beat in their heart. Do not believe the lie of Satan, "You surely will not die." (Ge 3:4+)! Today is the acceptable time. Today is the day of salvation. (2 Cor 6:2) Believe the truth spoken by Jesus, Who Alone is the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6) and Who Alone has the words of eternal (aionios) life (John 6:68)
Here are a few of the blessed, hope filled words of Jesus regarding ETERNAL LIFE -
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal (aionios) life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. (John 5:24)
“For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal (aionios) life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40)
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal (aionios) life. (John 6:47)
“This is eternal (aionios) life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent. (John 17:3)
Finally, here is one example of the use of aionios in the Septuagint (Lxx), the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament and a version frequently quoted by the New Testament writers. The passage in question is Genesis 21:33 in which Abraham gives us another glorious Name for God.
Abraham planted a tamarisk tree at Beersheba, and there he called on the name of the LORD, the Everlasting God (see study of El Olam: Everlasting God).
COMMENT - The Hebrew word for Everlasting is olam which is translated by aionios. Once again those who would seek to distort or pervert the Biblical meaning of aionios as meaning something other than eternal have a major problem! They have to directly refute the inspired Word from God Himself. He is saying that He is the Eternal God. There is simply no other way to interpret what He says about Himself. It follows that if "eternal" (aionios) does not mean eternal, then either God is confused or He is a liar, and of course He is neither (1 Cor 14:33, Nu 23:19, Titus 1:2+). He is the absolute Essence of Truth. Beloved, it could not be more clearly stated that God is eternal and hallelujah, those who are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ will experience eternal life with Him in His glorious presence. But tragically and sadly, those who refuse to believe in Jesus will experience eternal death and "will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power." (2 Th 1:9) Dear reader, if you have not yet placed your faith in the Messiah, the Lamb of God Who (Alone) takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29+), then do not put off this "decision of a lifetime," one that will immediately result in your being rescued from the domain of darkness and transferred (Col 1:13+) from the prospect of eternal death to the hope and certainty of eternal life in Christ. May the Spirit of God draw you and grant you the grace to believe in Jesus Christ, "the Everlasting (Hebrew = olam; Lxx = aionios) God, the LORD, the Creator (Heb 1:2+, Jn 1:3+, Col 1:16+) of the ends of the earth." (Isaiah 40:28) Amen
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Mt 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (gehenna)..
Comment: Be careful NOT to misinterpret Jesus' word "destroy" as a synonym for annihilation (to cause cessation of existence) of one's soul. The false teaching of annihilationism is a fabrication of men who refuse to interpret literally the words of our Lord Jesus. That a soul would be completely obliterated in Gehenna, the Lake of Fire, would surely be the desire of any who end up in that horrible place. However the Greek verb Jesus uses for "destroy" is apollumi, which DOES NOT signify total annihilation! Instead it means not the loss of being (of one's soul), but the loss of well-being. J I Packer says it is "the regular Greek word for wrecking and ruining something, so making it useless for its intended purpose." Apollumi means that the soul originally created in the image of God is subjected in essence to eternal ruin so that he or she can no longer serve the purpose for which they were created (Westminster Shorter Catechism = "Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever.")! The body and soul of the damned still exists, but tragically, it is rendered eternally useless! Dear believer, if this doesn't break your heart, I don't know what will! The Gospel promises everlasting life for the one who believes. The failure to possess this life in Christ will result in utter ruin and eternal uselessness, but not cessation of existence! Dear reader, does not this grave (pun intended) truth impel you to want to share the eternally soul saving Gospel of Jesus Christ with EVERYONE you know, with everyone with whom providence brings you into contact! May God's Spirit take this tragic truth of an unbelieving soul's life outside of Christ and use it to embolden us, setting our hearts ablaze to passionately share Jesus with all who will listen. Amen.
A Study of Eternal Punishment | Precept Austin
I just go by what stands written, Perfect Tense, look up the words in context, and then look up the morphology
in Koine Greek and Hebrew.
Hell is real, and it is everlasting.
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It is, absolutely.
At first glance, this may seem a minor incident in Abraham's life, but at Beersheba we see that Abraham calls on the LORD as El Olam, “the Everlasting God” or “Eternal God.” The Hebrew word olam means “for a long time, always, forever.” El Olam thus reveals God as “the Everlasting God,” without beginning or end.
Hell is Olam.
Thou art me'olam (from everlasting).
Psa_103:17 But the chesed Hashem is me'olam v'ad olam (from everlasting to everlasting) upon them that fear Him, and His tzedakah unto bnei banim;
Pro_10:25 As the whirlwind passeth, so is the rashah no more, but the tzaddik is a yesod olam (an everlasting foundation).
Isa_9:6 (5) For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty G-d), Avi Ad (Everlasting Father), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace).
Isa_33:14 The chatta'im (sinners) in Tziyon are terrified; trembling hath seized the khanafim (hypocrites). Who among us can dwell with the devouring eish? Who among us can dwell with mokedei olam (everlasting burnings, see Dan 12:2)?
Scripture quotations from OJB, my secondary bible.
Eternal (166) (aionios from aion) means existing at all times, perpetual, pertaining to an unlimited duration of time (Ro 1:20 - God's power, Mt 18:8 - God's place of judgment, Ro 16:26+ - God's attribute). Aionios (eternal) is the exact antithesis of proskairos (temporal). See additional discussion of aionios in study of eternal punishment, specifically the importance of an accurate understanding of aionios as a refutation of the false teaching of universalism (everyone will be saved).
Thayer modified and summarized… (1) without beginning or end, that which always has been and always will be: Ro 16:26, He 9:14.
In the Septuagint (LXX) aionios is used for everlasting (Hebrew = olam) referring to God (Study His wonderful Name El Olam: Everlasting God) - Ge 21:33, Is 26:4, Is 40:28, to His Covenant - Ge 9:16, Ge 17:7, 13, 19, Lv 24:8, Nu 18:19 2Sa 23:5, 1Ch 16:17, Ps 105:10, Is 24:5, Is 55:3, Is 61:8, Jer 32:40, Jer 50:5, Ezek 16:60, Ezek 37:26 (See related study - New Covenant in the Old Testament)
(2) Without beginning: Ro 16:25, 2Ti 1:9, Titus 1:2, Rev 14:6 = a gospel whose subject-matter is eternal, i. e., the saving purpose of God adopted from eternity)
(3) Without end, never to cease, everlasting: Eternal describes a number of entities in the NT -- kingdom = 2Pe 1:11, glory = 2Co 4:17 2Ti 2:10, 1Pe 5:10; inheritance = He 9:15; redemption = He 9:12; comfort = 2Th 2:16; dwelling places = Lk 16:9, 2Co 5:1; salvation = He 5:9; punishment = Mt 25:46; destruction = 2Th 1:9; judgment = He 6:2; sin = Mk 3:29; . For eternal life see 41 uses below).
Mounce on aionios - This adjective typically functions in three settings: the eternity of God and the divine realm; the blessings of salvation; and everlasting conditions that have neither beginning nor end.
Gilbrant has a lengthy discussion of aionos -
Put very plainly aiōnios is an adjective meaning “eternal, perpetual.” Among classical writers this especially refers to “endless time,” a period of time lasting “for an age” (Liddell-Scott). Together with aiōn (163) the term acquired philosophical overtones, especially beginning in the writings of Plato who developed the term along lines of “super-time, an idea of time in itself” (Guhrt, “Time,” Colin Brown, 3:827). Later, individuals and groups adopted this concept; this opened the door for even further speculations about time (ibid.). (See article on aiōn.)
Despite the rather singular meaning of aiōnios in both Biblical and nonbiblical sources, a fundamental difference exists between the classical/philosophical Greek concept of “eternity” and the Hebraic/Biblical attitude. Whereas the Biblical concept of eternity is an eternity filled with time, “endless time,” the philosophical, Greek notion knows only a “timeless eternity.” In eternity there is no such thing as time— no such thing as past, present, or future, only an eternal now. According to such thinkers as Plato everything in the created order belonged to the realm of time, while eternity was the exclusive territory of deity.
Septuagint Usage - Like its relative aiōn, aiōnios is common in the Septuagint (ca. 160 times), and like aiōn, it is regularly the replacement for the Hebrew ‛ôlām (See the wonderful Name = El Olam: Everlasting God), “long time, duration, for all time” (in various forms). Often it describes a “lasting ordinance” (nomimon ainōion) given for all generations (e.g., Exodus 30:21; Leviticus 7:36; 10:9; cf. 16:29,31,34; Numbers 10:8; 15:15).
Aiōnios frequently describes the “eternal, lasting” covenant God makes with individuals (e.g., Noah, Genesis 9:16; Abraham, Genesis 17:7,8,13,19; David, 2 Samuel 23:5; 1 Chronicles 16:17). This is the eternal covenant in which the faithful place their hope and which God promised to fulfill (Ezekiel 16:60; Jeremiah 50:5; Isaiah 55:3; 61:8). The fulfillment of the covenant is the eternal salvation of God (Isaiah 45:17).
From a theological point of view, God himself is “eternal” (Genesis 21:33; cf. Job 34:17, a Septuagint text which varies from the Hebrew and describes God as “the eternal righteous one”). Isaiah records a song to be sung in the land of Judah: “Trust ye in the LORD for ever; for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength” (26:4). The Septuagint reads “the great eternal God” (cf. Isaiah 40:28; Susanna 42). His rule and dominion are also eternal (Daniel 7:14,27). In an inspiring praise to God the prayer of Nehemiah is recalled in 2 Maccabees: “O Lord, Lord God, Creator of all things . . . who alone is righteous, almighty and eternal . . . ” (1:24f.). Thus being “eternal” is the character of God; it is demonstrated in His faithfulness over the ages to keep His promises and covenants. Eternal life— union with the Eternal God—awaits the faithful (4 Maccabees 15:3; cf. 3 Maccabees 7:16). It appears from the evidence of the Septuagint that the translators avoided using aiōnios in the philosophical sense, even in the more Hellenistic writings.
Aion and Olam, as you may note, is everlasting, not temporally.
We may resort to circular reasoning, but that would not be edifying.
Also at the death of a believer in Christ, that person is with the Lord and not in some kind of "limbo"
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Translated (μετέστησεν)
The word occurs five times in the New Testament: of putting out of the stewardship, Luk_16:4; of the removal of Saul from the kingdom, Act_13:22; of Paul turning away much people, Act_19:26; and of removing mountains, 1Co_13:2. A change of kingdoms is indicated.
Kingdom
Hence God's kingdom is in the present, no less than in heaven. See on Luk_6:20.
Of His dear Son (τοῦ υἱοῦ τῆς ἀγάπης αὐτοῦ)
Lit., of the Son of His love. So Rev. The Son who is the object of His love, and to whom, therefore, the kingdom is given. See Psa_2:7, Psa_2:8; Heb_1:3-9. It is true that love is the essence of the Son as of the Father; also, that the Son's mission is the revelation of the Father's love; but, as Meyer correctly says, “the language refers to the exalted Christ who rules.”
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In the beginning; humanity was created with a conscience patterned after its
maker's conscience.
"And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . So God created
man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female
created he them." (Gen 1:26-27)
Then came the forbidden fruit incident, wherein humanity's conscience lost its
divine quality and became humanistic.
Then the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and
evil. (Gen 3:22)
I think most folks would agree that monsters like Kim Jong-Un, Xi Jinping, Robert
Mugabe, Al Capone, drug cartel king pins, human traffickers, and Joseph Stalin
belong in Hell; but why are decent folk down there?
Well; obviously humanity's moral compass points to a different north than their
maker's, viz: sometimes what's justifiable in the eyes of humanity isn't justifiable in
the eyes of God.
There's a rather humorous scene in Dante's Inferno where these two guys who
knew each other in life are quarreling over who deserves Hell more than the other;
which is pretty silly when it's considered that both are in the same place and on the
same level.
I rather suspect that quite a few folks sincerely believe God has made a big
mistake sending them down there. In their judicious estimation; others deserve it
for sure, but not them.
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maker's conscience.
"And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . So God created
man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female
created he them." (Gen 1:26-27)
Then came the forbidden fruit incident, wherein humanity's conscience lost its
divine quality and became humanistic.
Then the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and
evil. (Gen 3:22)
I think most folks would agree that monsters like Kim Jong-Un, Xi Jinping, Robert
Mugabe, Al Capone, drug cartel king pins, human traffickers, and Joseph Stalin
belong in Hell; but why are decent folk down there?
Well; obviously humanity's moral compass points to a different north than their
maker's, viz: sometimes what's justifiable in the eyes of humanity isn't justifiable in
the eyes of God.
There's a rather humorous scene in Dante's Inferno where these two guys who
knew each other in life are quarreling over who deserves Hell more than the other;
which is pretty silly when it's considered that both are in the same place and on the
same level.
I rather suspect that quite a few folks sincerely believe God has made a big
mistake sending them down there. In their judicious estimation; others deserve it
for sure, but not them.
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The religious concepts of "heaven" and "hell" need to be deconstructed. When most people, believers and heathens alike, mention the terms "heaven" and "hell", they're usually referring to New Jerusalem and the Lake of Fire, but if you scrutinize that through the lens of the Scripture, you'll find that before that there's a millennial kingdom, and before the millennial kingdom is Hades, which is simply the grave, also known as "underneath the earth", a temporary depository for BOTH the righteous and the wicked. Yeshua himself personally went down there for two days and rose on the third day. However, according to the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, the righteous are conforted in Abraham's bosom, the wicked are tormented in the other side, a great gulf stretched out in between. That is the real outlook of afterlife. And the most important thing is, make no mistake, our blessed hope is the mass resurrection when Yeshua returns, NOT the so called pre-trib rapture by sudden disappearance or ascension. I'm very mad at these otherwise honorable and intelligent teachers who hold onto 1 Thess. 4:16-17 as their only proof text of pre-trib rapture, while not once have they ever adressed the mass resurrection, as in "the dead shall rise first". In Matthew's account of the crucifixtion, right after Yeshua yielded his last breath, there was a mass resurrection nearby, that was a preview. Yeshua is the firstfruit among the dead, and eventually, all God's people will be brought back to life as well by the same power the brought Yeshua back to life.
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In the story told at Luke 16:19-31, both Abraham and the rich man are dead and
buried; yet they are able to see each other, and also able to communicate back and
forth.
Well; to my knowledge graves are inky dark, the dead couldn't see anything even if
they were conscious; and how are people communicating thru the soil grave to
grave? Is there such a thing as an afterlife intercom system?
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It's still a resurrection
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They're resurrected, that is second life. They can't have a second death if they aren't alive a second time.
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You're still basing your argument on a wrongly translated word. Jesus said the aion ends.
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I'm not twisting anything. I think the truth is making you uncomfortable.
Are you suggesting then that Jesus looks like a lamb having been slain having seven eyes? Are you suggesting that death and Hades will he riding horses?
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No, the rich man didn't get to communicate with Lazarus, only Abraham. Maybe Abraham was given a special previlige to annouce the verdict for the wicked as a "gatekeeper", maybe the rich man just saw a vision Abraham on the other side, maybe there's some other explanations, if you know better, enlighten me. But the bottom line is, regardless of the mechanism, this is the afterlife - according to the Lord himself.
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There's no such a life in the millennial kingdom, and no life in the New Jerusalem either. It was like being detained for a thousand years, dragged to the court to receive a death sentence, and immediately executed.
Yeshua didn't, you did. You are in denial.
If that's what God presented to Apostle John, who are you to question that? I'm perfectly fine with that, I'm actually marvelled at God's artistic depiction. Question is, is that making YOU uncomfortable?
