What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

[Brad Huber]

The word of God shall be your judge then.

The word of God is all our judges, yours as well. It would be wise of you to remember that.

 

[Bendito]

The word of God shall be your judge then.

I surely hope so! I'm tired of being judged my "Christians"

 

[Bendito]

I posted the commentaries for your benefit
You are again refusing the correction of the church on this matter which is quickly understood
If only by the word of God itself.
That the return of Christ and our gathering together unto him
Which is obviously not talking of going to church but the rapture
Will not occur until after the man of sin is revealed.
Who will say he is God on earth; take the titles of God and rule the kings of the earth and kill the saints.
The word of God is very very clear on this matter.

Listening I have to admit that I am very concerned about you. You obviously have strong opinions which is good, but you always seem to be angry..You NEVER answer questions. and you do accuse and judge a lot. Why is that?
I've asked you several questions on several posts but you ignore the questions and insist I answer yours. What's happening in your life? Is there anything I can do? Besides pray for you, which I do. You seem to need something. How can I help?


ITS NOT ABOUT YOU...ITS ABOUT THE KING!



It is also about accepting the word of God and so the King, The teacher, Jesus.

What you posted were not commentaries written by any respected student of the bible. These were mere rants based on partial scriptures, incomplete sentences taken to prove a preconceived notion. The author had an opinion and found verses in the bible to prove his point.. But written this way there was nothing of truth in it.

 

[amadeus2]

Touch our eyes Lord, that we might see Lord, the wonders of your Love!

 

[Bendito]

Touch our eyes Lord, that we might see Lord, the wonders of your Love!

Amen!!

 

[norapture]

It's so fitting, I think it needs a neon sign. The Almighty says it best.

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Does anyone have any verses that show that Revelation is not wrote in chronological order?

It seems to me it is, and I really want to know because there is an enormous number of people that overlap and skip and this and that... and yet, I never heard the reason they done any of it... (or at least any that made sense yet)

Verses that show it is in chronological order are also welcomed. I want to know how it's meant to be read. And I want to know if I'm missing something and just can't find it.

Prophecy can be written , anywhere in scripture
It doesn't have to be in order, can be one verse, or two , three even more. The verses before may have nothing to do with prophecy, or the verses after the prophecy.
Look at prophecy from the old testament, that came true in the new, and compare them.
See how it is written in the old.

Revelation is not in order, and is not just future. It is past , present, and future from John's time
Its Christ in you , that shows how it goes, how to line scripture up with scripture, to make the perfect picture.
Some people say , that's out of text , but look at prophecy in the OT , and try to put it in text with the verses around it. Would make no sense, with most verse around it, that is what the Holy Spirit does for us , opens our understanding to the truth.
Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little there a little.
Most people don't see Revelation is past, present, and future, just future

 

[Listening]

Revelation is not in order, and is not just future. It is past , present, and future from John's time

This is very true, but people who cannot understand english cannot understand this.

Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction.

ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER KILLED BY THE PAPACY IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND
LATER

 

[Listening]

The word of God is all our judges, yours as well. It would be wise of you to remember that.

Glory to God who justifies us by his son Jesus
But woe to those who continue to sin by misleading with a known false teaching on the rapture.
Who are secure in their own deception, complacent at ease who say peace and safety i sit as a queen and am no widow and will see no sorrow.
God has no reward for false teachers and his word shall not be ignored by such as mock it.
It in its truth shall triumph over their stubborn lies.

 

[Listening]

Amen!!

Love rejoices with and in the truth, not with false rapture teachings invented by liars!
God rebukes all who promote false teachings as he rebukes satan himself.
You would all do well to heed this.

 

[Listening]

Touch our eyes Lord, that we might see Lord, the wonders of your Love!

In regard to the teaching on the rapture God's word is very clear, ignore it and be blind continually to your own hurt.
Open your eyes to it and rejoice in the truth
That day shall not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of sin is revealed
Now do you see?

 

[Listening]

God demands and commands you all to stand firm against false teachings.
This is not about your entertainment.

 

[Listening]

I surely hope so! I'm tired of being judged my "Christians"

or there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you

 

[amadeus2]

The scripture says

That day will not come until the man of sin be revealed.
Now you argue what day it means
But any day you can think it means shall not occur until that man of sin is revealed.
So now you can know
That day will not come until the man of sin be revealed.
And we know its the pope and his coming is the man of sin revealed.

Only if led by the Holy Spirit would i be correct.


Now you are free to ignore this truth as you cannot contradict it, so may as well choose to ignore it, As is the practice of those who refuse the truth.

I have not, I believe, agreed or disagreed with your stated beliefs. You've been so busy expressing your own position you haven't bothered to understand before replying. I was addressing something else which you failed to understand. Instead of putting words into my mouth or into the mouths of others, why not leave it alone?

There is a time to speak and a time to be silence and the time should always be God's time. For now for me perhaps silence is best. God knows.

 

[Ceptor]

This thread holds the worlds most ironic member name everrrrrr.

Talk about self-contradiction....


lol.............. :laugh:

But that aint none of my business though :whistle

 

[Listening]

I have not, I believe, agreed or disagreed with your stated beliefs. You've been so busy expressing your own position you haven't bothered to understand before replying. I was addressing something else which you failed to understand. Instead of putting words into my mouth or into the mouths of others, why not leave it alone?

There is a time to speak and a time to be silence and the time should always be God's time. For now for me perhaps silence is best. God knows.

Hi Amadeus2

Sorry if I grouped you in with those who are upholding the false teaching here, as you can read many are.
My intention is sincere, that is to rebuke those holding to the false teaching that contradicts st pauls letter on the subject.
So if you are on the side of truth, you can help by stating it, and by firmly rebuking those who refuse to listen to the sound teaching that the day shall not come until the man of sin is revealed.

God bless.

 

[Bendito]

In regard to the teaching on the rapture God's word is very clear, ignore it and be blind continually to your own hurt.
Open your eyes to it and rejoice in the truth
That day shall not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of sin is revealed
Now do you see?

Listening..The bible does not say "That day shall not come until the rebellion occurs. It says "for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first" Falling away in the Greek means "apostacy, defection, a turning away from the Word" People will allow themselves to get sidetracked, deceived or derailed by the world. It does not mean a rebellion which is a deliberate and defiant resistance.

 

[Ceptor]

Sorry if I grouped you in with those who are upholding the false teaching here, as you can read many are.
My intention is sincere, that is to rebuke those holding to the false teaching that contradicts st pauls letter on the subject.
So if you are on the side of truth, you can help by stating it

Amadeus does not need to agree with you to be for the Truth and for God. If anything, Amadeus is the one you should be carefully 'listening' to and haven't when he left messages humbly trying to guide you. He is a great man of God and doesn't need to follow your instructions, he follows God's.

I wish you would quit insulting those who are your brothers and sisters. If you love Jesus, you should love us, and should quit calling us enemies of the Truth.

My name means 'God is my judge' and rightly so for He is. You cannot see within men's hearts, that is something only God can do.

Calling us God's enemies and enemies of Truth is not Christ-like nor loving. Your intentions may be aiming for good, but your methods are very much not from Jesus.

1 John 4:7
7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

I don't believe this thread is worth posting in any longer. It has become quite unfruitful and a place of conflict.

I am not against you Listening, but I am against the ugly things you say to and about people in this thread.

 

[amadeus2]

Hi Amadeus2

Sorry if I grouped you in with those who are upholding the false teaching here, as you can read many are.
My intention is sincere, that is to rebuke those holding to the false teaching that contradicts st pauls letter on the subject.
So if you are on the side of truth, you can help by stating it, and by firmly rebuking those who refuse to listen to the sound teaching that the day shall not come until the man of sin is revealed.

God bless.

Thank you for the apology although it was not needed. Your heart contains something of the "good" which is God alone, so let that Good work through you. God will work through each person who allows it. Your suggestion that people stand for God's truth is a good one, but we cannot dictate the direction of anyone else. Only that person following the lead of the Holy Ghost can do that. Yes, I understand that God may call a person to give instructions to others (teacher per Eph 4:11), but the job of each and every believer is not the same. All of us indeed need to be "living epistles" to read of men, but that may not always include talking or writing or rebuking. God will let us know if we are listening. Sometimes, He may even use you or me to deliver the message... but not always.

Jesus did not look for people to rebuke. He looked for people who were hungry and thirsty for the righteousness of God so that they might be filled with the Life which He had for them. He did not give them the words of death. They already had death. He brought them the words of Life.

 

[Ophel]

At the rapture the church is going up to Jesus and at the second coming the church is coming down with Jesus.

Simply put!

 

[norapture]

This thread holds the worlds most ironic member name everrrrrr.

Talk about self-contradiction....


lol.............. :laugh:

But that aint none of my business though :whistle

Still making fun of someone , are
we ?
Thats the kind of love we all
need, since God is love , as u
would quote scripture.
Now Listening rebuke some on
here.
But you like to mock and make
fun.
Now which one did Christ do ?
(A) make fun of others orB
(B) rebuke someone when they where wrong ( maybe like Peter )

To tell someone they are wrong,
doesn't mean you don't love
them.
To mock and make fun of someone, sure isn't no way to show love.

But hey , thats just my 2 cents.