What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

[Bendito]

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I understand what you mean, but I've been on the various sides of some of the many issues too many times myself. The apostles who wrote what they wrote which became scripture are not here to testify for themselves. The Truth of the matter of God's Word is available but only through the quickening (bringing to Life) of the raw scripture within a man by the Holy Ghost.

This is what the Holy Ghost in us is supposed to be about, but reasoning minds of men will often have their own way causing confusion for too many people. When Jesus spoke he never spoke with confusion, but some people whose own ways were in their way were confused.

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The spirit of of truth leads into all truth Not confusion.
The testimony is the word of God


Those who are God's will have the spirit, they will be reachable not by men but by his word
They will not refuse the truth, The rebels will refuse it though

The very plain truth that st paul teaches concerning the coming of the lord and our being gathered to him concerns one event on one day, and st paul makes clear that that day will not come until After the Falling away ( from the truth) and man of sin is revealed.

The plain Truth of the words in english is understood by even those who do not believe in the Lord.

A liar is exposed by his lie against What is fully known to be the truth not because of lies.
Those in christ know the truth and can see the lies that are against christ's truth, Christ truth which is the word of truth that is not hidden but has been made known to all men who are in the truth..

The body of Christ is not in mystery Babylon ( confusion)
It is in the truth and knows ALL things .

What are you going on about here? Do you think that by many words you will be right? Or convince others of your view? If you study the Word you will see clearly that the rapture and the second coming are not the same event...They cannot be since they happen at different times. One before the tribulation and one after. I've already given you my scripture verses..

 

[Listening]

What are you going on about here? Do you think that by many words you will be right? Or convince others of your view? If you study the Word you will see clearly that the rapture and the second coming are not the same event...They cannot be since they happen at different times. One before the tribulation and one after. I've already given you my scripture verses..

With many or few
That day of the event they feared they missed
That Day shall not come until first
The falling away from the truth happens
And
The man of sin ( the papacy) is revealed .


ITS ABOUT JESUS THE GREAT HIGH PRIEST
WE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST
Its not about the man of sin the pope
that antichrist liar.

 

[Listening]

What are you going on about here? Do you think that by many words you will be right? Or convince others of your view? If you study the Word you will see clearly that the rapture and the second coming are not the same event...They cannot be since they happen at different times. One before the tribulation and one after. I've already given you my scripture verses..

The catching away occurs when the dead in christ are raised at the last trump which is the final event as it heralds the second coming of christ, and so the raising of the dead in christ , and so the " rapture"
Of both them and we who are still alive at his coming.

The rapture so called and the second coming are going to occur as a result of the last trump.
There is nothing previous or after that last trump in regards to this matter.

It is not enough to read the scripture, one has to agree with it and not argue against it and move on to other things to fit a lie, and so misuse the word of God like the catholic rapture doctrine liars did when they invented the false catholic rapture doctrine.

The popes shall be destroyed when jesus returns.

 

[Ophel]

The catching away occurs when the dead in christ are raised at the last trump which is the final event as its heralds the second coming of christ.

The rapture so called and the second coming are going to occur as a result of the last trump.
There is nothing previous or after that last trump in regards to this matter.

It is bot enough to read the scripture, one has to agree with it and not argue against it.

The rapture of the Church is NOT the same event as the second coming of Christ. The former is when we the Bride GO. The latter is when we the Bride come with our Bridegroom.

Yes, it is NOT enough to simply read the scriptures. We need to pray for the Spirit of God to teach us, and then set about studying and listening to His voice as He teaches.


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[Listening]

The rapture of the Church is NOT the same event as the second coming of Christ. The former is when we the Bride GO. The latter is when we the Bride come with our Bridegroom.

Yes, it is NOT enough to simply read the scriptures. We need to pray for the Spirit of God to teach us, and then set about studying and listening to His voice as He teaches.


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The second coming occurs at the last trump
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first

1 Thessalonians 4 KJV

The catching away occurs after the dead in christ are raised
1 Corinthians 15 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

1 Thessalonians 4 KJV
16 for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

So all these things occur at the same occurrence NOT at different times.
And none of these things shall occur until the falling away from the truth occurs and the man of sin is revealed, for that day shall not come until Those two events occur, and they already have occurred
For those of us who know the truth know papacy is the man of sin.
So the last trump could sound this very second.


3We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Christ's Coming

5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 11Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: 12That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Ophel]

The second coming occurs at the last trump
1 Thessalonians 4 KJV

The catching away occurs after the dead in christ are raised
1 Corinthians 15 KJV

1 Thessalonians 4 KJV

So all these things occur at the same occurrence no at different times.

No, the catching away IS the resurrection of the dead in Christ. The second coming happens after the Tribulation. In fact, Jesus puts an end to it.


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[Listening]

No, the catching away IS the resurrection of the dead in Christ. The second coming happens after the Tribulation. In fact, Jesus puts an end to it.


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No you are misunderstanding the scriptures


3We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Christ's Coming

5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

The end of the tribulation means the destroying of the enemies and the rest for the church.
TROUBLE TO THE ENEMIES REST FOR THE TROUBLED
BOTH OCCUR AT THE SAME EVENT, THE COMING OF THE LORD.



7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

This is the last Trump iT describes the rapture Resting with the Lord all the saints both the dead and living changed and caught up to be WITH THE LORD coinciding with the Lord coming with his mighty angels
Coming also with him.

As it is written

14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Same is said here
7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

After the tribulation those who persecuted the saints during it are destroyed forever.

8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 11Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: 12That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Ophel]

No you are misunderstanding the scriptures


3We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth; 4So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Christ's Coming

5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

The end of the tribulation means the destroying of the enemies and the rest for the church.
TROUBLE TO THE ENEMIES REST FOR THE TROUBLED
BOTH OCCUR AT THE SAME EVENT, THE COMING OF THE LORD.



7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

This is the last Trump iT describes the rapture Resting with the Lord all the saints both the dead and living changed and caught up to be WITH THE LORD coinciding with the Lord coming with his mighty angels
Coming also with him.

As it is written

14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Same is said here
7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

After the tribulation those who persecuted the saints during it are destroyed forever.

8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 11Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: 12That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

You are misinterpreting scripture. The problem rests in the way the mind does not move over and let Holy Spirit lead.


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[Bendito]

With many or few
That day of the event they feared they missed
That Day shall not come until first
The falling away from the truth happens
And
The man of sin ( the papacy) is revealed .


ITS ABOUT JESUS THE GREAT HIGH PRIEST
WE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST
Its not about the man of sin the pope
that antichrist liar.

Wow! Listening...What does the Romanist church have to do with Grace or mercy?

 

[Bendito]

Wow! Listening...What does the Romanist church have to do with Grace or mercy?

LOL Sorry I got confused Like an old man...

 

[norapture]

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I'm not sure I follow exactly, but since there was a pitch, I'll swing.

When Revelation talks about the people of the world being terrified and hiding from the wrath of the Lamb at the end of chapter 6, then that is Jesus.. because Jesus is the Lamb, I think we agree there. We can twist and cut and paste and skip and mix stuff, but I don't discuss too far in depth with people that do that, because when we do that we all have different books all of a sudden. Revelation for one is a different order for another. So I go with how God wrote the book.. just like it is. I don't think He wrote it to be cut and pasted in a different order to be understood.

With that said, if we take it how it is written, directly after the "Lamb" is seen and feared by the world we see the Saints before God praising Him in chapter 7.. How did we, THE SAINTS get there? LOL

Chapter 6 of Revelation imagery and Chapter 24 of Matthew imagery line up word for word. No question about that, it's indisputable. Then Jesus is seen by the world, and the Saints are before the throne praising God.. What happened?

Jesus says when He comes back it will be as Revelation 6 describes is, as the lightning shines from the east to the west.. in other words, the ENTIRE world will SEE HIM.

Now.. With all that in place, then chapter 8 of Revelation begins pouring the wrath of God out on the earth. Would we be here for that? I don't think Jesus is going to pour wrath out on me if I'm am saved by Him, that is contradictory. He saves me, but also pours wrath on me?

Not to mention, in chapter 7 we are praising God before His throne.. how are we in Heaven with God and on earth at the same time? We can't be on the earth in chapter 8 if we are seen with God in chapter 7.


I'm not sure if this is what you're asking or looking for, but this is where my basis for what I believe is. [/QUOTE]

Revelation isn't in order, and its not only future.
Its past, present, and future
Its by the Holy Ghost the we know how to devide the word of truth.
Just like prophecy in the old testament, by his Spirit we rightly divide the word of truth.

 

[Listening]

Wow! Listening...What does the Romanist church have to do with Grace or mercy?

The present day leaderships of every single denomination is can research
Seem to think it does.
So my comment is one that needs to be said more and more by the church.
For it is by far the most pressing matter that the church has to address for the sake of christ jesus and what he wants.

 

[Listening]

You are misinterpreting scripture. The problem rests in the way the mind does not move over and let Holy Spirit lead.


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You are misinterpreting scripture. The problem rests in the way the mind does not move over and let Holy Spirit lead.


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How so?

5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it isa righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

The end of the tribulation means the destroying of the enemies and the rest for the church.

7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

This is the last Trump iT describes the rapture Resting with the Lord all the saints both the dead and living changed and caught up to be WITH THE LORD coinciding with the Lord coming with his mighty angels
To destroy the wicked,

We read two things together here

6God recompensing Tribulation ( which is revealed as everlasting destruction ) to them that trouble you;
7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven

Both things at the Lord's coming from heaven.
When the lord jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels.
So we know when both the destruction of wicked and the rest of God's people occur
At the revealing of jesus from heaven, in other words the day of christ, the second coming, the last trump..

This teaching also defines as wicked the doctrine of violence and so called justified war
Which is a favourite doctrine of the papal beast.
For it likes war.

 

[Ophel]

How so?

5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it isa righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

The end of the tribulation means the destroying of the enemies and the rest for the church.

7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

This is the last Trump iT describes the rapture Resting with the Lord all the saints both the dead and living changed and caught up to be WITH THE LORD coinciding with the Lord coming with his mighty angels
To destroy the wicked,

We, citizens of the Kingdom of God, will return with Jesus and His angels as His Bride to take up residence in His earthly Kingdom, to reign with Him. We will be riding with Him as He destroys all His enemies! Thus will end the Tribulation age---the destruction of all enemies of God and the tossing of Satan and His demonic horde into the bottomless pit for 1000 years!

Zechariah 14:5
You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; and you will flee just as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones (believers, angels) with Him.


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[norapture]

If you don't mind, I'll take a swing too. Is there anything about the rapture could notwielded that make .....
Well for one thing, in the rapture the bride meets Jesus in the air...For another thing, the bride comes with Jesus at the second coming, which could not happen if she had not been caught up first. The marriage feast of the lamb occurs between the catching up of the bride and the coming of the Lord when His feet touch the Earth. So there are two right here that agree and ......Why do you think that the marriage feast would occur during a time of judgment of the unbelievers, a time of war between the powers of darkness, when Satan gets locked up. and a new government is being set up..A Theocracy by the way. It will be a very busy time. Oh yes. And the gathering of all those who are saved throughout the tribulation period... a very busy time.. I would have to be a very hurried feast with no time for celebrations....

Brother u say the Bride goes to
Jesus at the rapture and
Return with Jesus at his 2nd
coming, but if he turns at the so
called rapture , wouldn't when
he comes after that be the 3rd
coming?

Now why do we meet him in the
air, could not he rapture us all
the way to heaven?
Instead of meeting us in the air.

There is a sea of glass we shall
stand on when his wrath is
poured out.

Also who can stand in his wrath
( no one can) its the day of wrath.

 

[Bendito]

Brother u say the Bride goes to
Jesus at the rapture and
Return with Jesus at his 2nd
coming, but if he turns at the so
called rapture , wouldn't when
he comes after that be the 3rd
coming?


At His first coming He walked the Earth. At the rapture the bride will meet Him in the air. His feet do not touch the Earth. At His second coming He will set foot first on the Mount of Olives, the same place He left from. See both times He comes he is walking the Earth. At the rapture He does not.

Now why do we meet him in the
air, could not he rapture us all
the way to heaven?
Instead of meeting us in the air.


LOL He could do it that way. It was not my plan. Don't blame me! I don't know why He chose to do it this way.

There is a sea of glass we shall
stand on when his wrath is
poured out.

Its not a well known belief, that the Earth will actually spin out of its orbit and the Great white throne judgment will take place where the Earth usually is. I assume the sea of glass would be a platform? Maybe...

Also who can stand in his wrath
( no one can) its the day of wrath.
Gods people will stand because His Wrath is not directed at us.

 

[Listening]

We, citizens of the Kingdom of God, will return with Jesus and His angels as His Bride to take up residence in His earthly Kingdom, to reign with Him. We will be riding with Him as He destroys all His enemies! Thus will end the Tribulation age---the destruction of all enemies of God and the tossing of Satan and His demonic horde into the bottomless pit for 1000 years!

Zechariah 14:5
You will flee by the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains will reach to Azel; and you will flee just as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones (believers, angels) with Him.


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Yes
We shall be with him
What you posted agrees with what i posted
Yet you do not agree that the catching away is therefore central to this destroying of those who troubled us?
And if troubled, then tribulation upon the church and then God meeting out payment to those who troubled the church on earth under that tribulation?

6God recompensing Tribulation ( which is revealed as everlasting destruction ) to them that trouble you;
7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven

Both things at the Lord's coming from heaven.
When the lord jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels.
So we know when both the destruction of wicked and the rest of God's people occur
At the revealing of jesus from heaven, in other words the day of christ, the second coming, the last trump..

This teaching also defines as wicked the doctrine of violence and so called justified war
Which is a favourite doctrine of the papal beast.
For it likes war.

 

[Ophel]

Brother u say the Bride goes to
Jesus at the rapture and
Return with Jesus at his 2nd
coming, but if he turns at the so
called rapture , wouldn't when
he comes after that be the 3rd
coming?

No, because His calling His Bride to come to Him is not His second coming. It is our GOING. He doesn't set foot on the Earth, but we go to Him in the heavens.

Now why do we meet him in the
air, could not he rapture us all
the way to heaven?
Instead of meeting us in the air.

In keeping with the ancient Hebrew wedding model, the groom always rides to the bride's residence and whisks her away at an unknown and unexpected time at the behest of his father to go get his bride. He then takes his waiting bride, all ready for him, and rushes off to his father's house for the nuptials. Later, after seven days of sequester, he and his bride come forth to take up residence in their new home.

Sound familiar?

There is a sea of glass we shall
stand on when his wrath is
poured out.

Yes, as observers.

Also who can stand in his wrath
( no one can) its the day of wrath.

That "no one" does not include the Bride, who has taken on incorruptible flesh.


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[Ophel]

Yes
We shall be with him
What you posted agrees with what i posted
Yet you do not agree that the catching away is therefore central to this destroying of those who troubled us?
And if troubled, then tribulation upon the church and then God meeting out payment to those who troubled the church on earth under that tribulation?

6God recompensing Tribulation ( which is revealed as everlasting destruction ) to them that trouble you;
7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven

Both things at the Lord's coming from heaven.
When the lord jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels.
So we know when both the destruction of wicked and the rest of God's people occur
At the revealing of jesus from heaven, in other words the day of christ, the second coming, the last trump..

This teaching also defines as wicked the doctrine of violence and so called justified war
Which is a favourite doctrine of the papal beast.
For it likes war.

I don't know about you, but I am not going to be here to see Tribulation. I will be too busy enjoying the wedding feast of the Lamb, and my sisters and brothers in the Lord, and getting my rewards.


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[Listening]

We can see from scripture
The so called rapture event is the rest of Gods people at the lord's coming which simultaneously causes the destruction of those who had been against God's people during the great tribulation