What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

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I don't know about you, but I am not going to be here to see Tribulation. I will be too busy enjoying the wedding feast of the Lamb, and my sisters and brothers in the Lord, and getting my rewards.


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Well i do not know how you are going to arrange a secret rapture
For scripture is clear ( which you continually ignore by the way)
That;

6God recompensing Tribulation ( which is revealed as everlasting destruction ) to them that trouble you;
7And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven

Both things at the Lord's coming from heaven.
When the lord jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels.
So we know when both the destruction of wicked and the rest of God's people occur
At the revealing of jesus from heaven, in other words the day of christ, the second coming, the last trump..

This teaching also defines as wicked the doctrine of violence and so called justified war
Which is a favourite doctrine of the papal beast.
For it likes war.

 

[Listening]

The Lord is only coming once
And when he comes the dead in christ shall rise first with new bodies
We who are left alive at his coming shall be changed and be with them and the Lord
And those who have troubled the church during the great tribulation shall be destroyed
All at that one coming , that day of christ, that Day of the Lord.
All in a split of a second.

 

[Bendito]

Just reposting this because it hides..LOL

rother u say the Bride goes to
Jesus at the rapture and
Return with Jesus at his 2nd
coming, but if he turns at the so
called rapture , wouldn't when
he comes after that be the 3rd
coming?


At His first coming He walked the Earth. At the rapture the bride will meet Him in the air. His feet do not touch the Earth. At His second coming He will set foot first on the Mount of Olives, the same place He left from. See both times He comes he is walking the Earth. At the rapture He does not.

Now why do we meet him in the
air, could not he rapture us all
the way to heaven?
Instead of meeting us in the air.


LOL He could do it that way. It was not my plan. Don't blame me! I don't know why He chose to do it this way.

There is a sea of glass we shall
stand on when his wrath is
poured out.

Its not a well known belief, that the Earth will actually spin out of its orbit and the Great white throne judgment will take place where the Earth usually is. I assume the sea of glass would be a platform? Maybe...

Also who can stand in his wrath
( no one can) its the day of wrath.
Gods people will stand because His Wrath is not directed at us.

 

[norapture]

No, because His calling His Bride to come to Him is not His second coming. It is our GOING. He doesn't set foot on the Earth, but we go to Him in the heavens.



In keeping with the ancient Hebrew wedding model, the groom always rides to the bride's residence and whisks her away at an unknown and unexpected time at the behest of his father to go get his bride. He then takes his waiting bride, all ready for him, and rushes off to his father's house for the nuptials. Later, after seven days of sequester, he and his bride come forth to take up residence in their new home.

Sound familiar?



Yes, as observers.



That "no one" does not include the Bride, who has taken on incorruptible flesh.


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I agree the bride will not recieve
of his wrath.
But tribulation and wrath isn't the same.
Now what u call rapture is the coming of the Lord, not sure why u can't see its his coming.

 

[Ophel]

We can see from scripture
The so called rapture event is the rest of Gods people at the lord's coming which simultaneously causes the destruction of those who had been against God's people during the great tribulation

That is not the truth. The catching away of the saints happens to all Christians, alive and dead. The removal of the Body of Christ clears the way for the Tribulation, where God can now finish up His dealings with the Jew, which includes the period of great calamities as He pours out His wrath on evildoers. Once Israel is dealt with, then Jesus can return, set foot on the Mount of Olives, rescue Israel, and begin His thousand year reign with His Bride.


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[Ophel]

I agree the bride will not recieve
of his wrath.
But tribulation and wrath isn't the same.
Now what u call rapture is the coming of the Lord, not sure why u can't see its his coming.

God's wrath is poured out on unbelievers during the Tribulation. The "Rapture" occurs before the Tribulation, as God removes His precious people out of harm's way.

I am sure of the reason why you cannot see this.


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[Ophel]

The Lord is only coming once
And when he comes the dead in christ shall rise first with new bodies
We who are left alive at his coming shall be changed and be with them and the Lord
And those who have troubled the church during the great tribulation shall be destroyed
All at that one coming , that day of christ, that Day of the Lord.
All in a split of a second.

That isn't scriptural. You have made a hodge podge of it.


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[Listening]

When his feet touch the mount of olives.

The truth is we have fuller revelation of the word of God given to us concerning the order of events of christ's return in the NT.
God will judge all the nations that ransacked Jerusalem and took his people captive into all nations.

At the time the book of Zechariah was written Christ's feet had not touched the mount of olives
When he returned to heaven, neither had Jerusalem been taken captive and the temple destroyed
And the Jewish people taken captive into all nations.
Ezekiel describes God Judging all the nations for taking his people captive into all nations then settling them in the land for eternity.

As we know, old testament prophecies are talking of messiahs first and second coming in nearly the same sentence often times.

And as i said we have the real explanation of these second coming events in the NT.

 

[norapture]

Just reposting this because it hides..LOL

rother u say the Bride goes to
Jesus at the rapture and
Return with Jesus at his 2nd
coming, but if he turns at the so
called rapture , wouldn't when
he comes after that be the 3rd
coming?


At His first coming He walked the Earth. At the rapture the bride will meet Him in the air. His feet do not touch the Earth. At His second coming He will set foot first on the Mount of Olives, the same place He left from. See both times He comes he is walking the Earth. At the rapture He does not.

Now why do we meet him in the
air, could not he rapture us all
the way to heaven?
Instead of meeting us in the air.


LOL He could do it that way. It was not my plan. Don't blame me! I don't know why He chose to do it this way.

There is a sea of glass we shall
stand on when his wrath is
poured out.

Its not a well known belief, that the Earth will actually spin out of its orbit and the Great white throne judgment will take place where the Earth usually is. I assume the sea of glass would be a platform? Maybe...

Also who can stand in his wrath
( no one can) its the day of wrath.
Gods people will stand because His Wrath is not directed at us.

I know we don't receive his wrath
But the dragon ( Satan) has
wrath also.
Just like in Exdodus Moses and Gods people were in Egypt, and suffered pharaoh's wrath.
But not Gods plagues.
Now the plagues wasn't Gods wrath. May I ask what was Gods wrath on Pharaoh and his men?

 

[Listening]

God's wrath is poured out on unbelievers during the Tribulation. The "Rapture" occurs before the Tribulation, as God removes His precious people out of harm's way.

I am sure of the reason why you cannot see this.


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Scripture does not describe such a thing as you say
In fact scripture and history itself attests to the opposite.
100 million christians were murdered during the great tribulation of the antichrist popes who thought it a service to kill the children of God.
Do you think that was not tribulation?
It is also a historical fact that the papal supremacy lasted for exactly 1260 years
An exact fulfilment of the 1260 day rule of antichrist on earth by the popes who declared them selves to be
The great high priest over the universal church of God!

You call them his precious people but seem not to think the 100 million slaughtered
by the antichrist papacy Precious at all, worthy of nothing but your ignoring.
And a number so great 100 million not worthy of being included in the great tribulation.!

 

[Ophel]

When his feet touch the mount of olives.

The truth is we have fuller revelation of the word of God given to us concerning the order of events of christ's return in the NT.
God will judge all the nations that ransacked Jerusalem and took his people captive into all nations.

Yes, when Jesus returns as King, He will initiate the Sheep and Goats judgment.

At the time the book of Zechariah was written Christ's feet had not touched the mount of olives

Right, which is why I posted the prophecy, which will come to pass.

When he returned to heaven, neither had Jerusalem been taken captive and the temple destroyed
And the Jewish people taken captive into all nations.
Ezekiel describes God Judging all the nations for taking his people captive into all nations then settling them in the land for eternity.

As we know, old testament prophecies are talking of messiahs first and second coming in nearly the same sentence often times.

And as i said we have the real explanation of these second coming events in the NT.

We have the blessed ability through the leading of Holy Spirit in our reading of holy Scripture to determine God's mind about these events, and that the catching away of the saints and Jesus' second coming to earth are both separate events, and His judgment of the nations will occur after He establishes His earthly Kingdom.


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[norapture]

God's wrath is poured out on unbelievers during the Tribulation. The "Rapture" occurs before the Tribulation, as God removes His precious people out of harm's way.

I am sure of the reason why you cannot see this.


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What is the reason u are sure i cannot see?

Cause I can see both sides,
your view and the truth
Why u are so wrong , but that's ok u will learn the truth someday.

 

[Ophel]

Scripture does not describe such a thing as you say
In fact scripture and history itself attests to the opposite.
100 million christians were murdered during the great tribulation of the antichrist popes who thought it a service to kill the children of God.
Do you think that was not tribulation?
It is also a historical fact that the papal supremacy lasted for exactly 1260 years
An exact fulfilment of the 1260 day rule of antichrist on earth by the popes who declared them selves to be
The great high priest over the universal church of God!

Do some real homework. Read the scriptures...prayerfully, and receive from Holy Spirit HIS interpretation, rather than your own.

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[Listening]

I ah

Do some real homework. Read the scriptures...prayerfully, and receive from Holy Spirit HIS interpretation, rather than your own.

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we have thank you
And yes that is myself and the holy spirit of Truth,

 

[Bendito]

The truth is we have fuller revelation of the word of God given to us concerning the order of events of christ's return in the NT.

I gave it to you from the New Covenant....

Acts 1:11 (CJB)
11 The men said, “You Galileans! Why are you standing, staring into space? This Yeshua, who has been taken away from you into heaven, will come back to you in just the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

God will judge all the nations that ransacked Jerusalem and took his people captive into all nations.

At the time the book of Zechariah was written Christ's feet had not touched the mount of olives
When he returned to heaven, neither had Jerusalem been taken captive and the temple destroyed
And the Jewish people taken captive into all nations.
Ezekiel describes God Judging all the nations for taking his people captive into all nations then settling them in the land for eternity.

None of this is relevant to His being caught up or the second coming...His feet will touch the same place that He left from...'In like manner' it says.

As we know, old testament prophecies are talking of messiahs first and second coming in nearly the same sentence often times.

All of these prophesies will come to pass, the ones that haven't so far that is...And you will see Him at the Mount of Olives first. Check it.

And as i said we have the real explanation of these second coming events in the NT.[/QUOTE]

 

[Ophel]

What is the reason u are sure i cannot see?

Cause I can see both sides,
your view and the truth
Why u are so wrong , but that's ok u will learn the truth someday.

I am not wrong, because I have had many Spirit-led, anointed teachers, and am myself Spirit-led and anointed to be able to understand scripture.


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[Listening]

What is the reason u are sure i cannot see?

Cause I can see both sides,
your view and the truth
Why u are so wrong , but that's ok u will learn the truth someday.

He prefers that apple Me thinks.

 

[Bendito]

I am not wrong, because I have had many Spirit-led, anointed teachers, and am myself Spirit-led and anointed to be able to understand scripture.


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I think I'm going to stand down here. This discussion is pointless and a waste of time....It could be interesting but.....

 

[Listening]

I am not wrong, because I have had many Spirit-led, anointed teachers, and am myself Spirit-led and anointed to be able to understand scripture.


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Your teachers and you are very wrong
My teacher is christ and his spirit and the word of God
That you casually always ignore for the convenience of your own teaching, which is false and based upon jesuit lies and The visions of mentally ill none believers,

 

[Ophel]

Scripture does not describe such a thing as you say
In fact scripture and history itself attests to the opposite.
100 million christians were murdered during the great tribulation of the antichrist popes who thought it a service to kill the children of God.
Do you think that was not tribulation?

It isn't THE Tribulation spoken of in Revelation.

It is also a historical fact that the papal supremacy lasted for exactly 1260 years
An exact fulfilment of the 1260 day rule of antichrist on earth by the popes who declared them selves to be
The great high priest over the universal church of God!

More contrived nonsense. The Antichrist has not appeared on the world stage yet.

You call them his precious people but seem not to think the 100 million slaughtered
by the antichrist papacy Precious at all, worthy of nothing but your ignoring.
And a number so great 100 million not worthy of being included in the great tribulation.!

Who are you thinking I am calling precious? All believers are God's precious children. Only unbelievers will experience the horrors of the great Tribulation to come.


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