What is the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming?

[Listening]

Maybe someone can shed a little more light on this seeing as I've had to take a break in my study for some other work, but if I remember correctly from previous reading the "man of sin" who is THE antichrist, I believe sets himself on a throne, and declares boldly he is "god".

This is referred to as the abomination of desolation in Daniel, and Jesus then tells us about it again in the New Testament.


The man of sin sits in the temple of God showing himself he is God
He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

At 2.41 in this video you will See the man of sin doing just that.
The temple of God is man,

Jesus is the great high Priest
The man of sin is not the great high priest and has no sacrifice for sins
That is why the pope is the man of sin amongst other reasons
For the great high Priest is jesus, not the pope.
The pope like all seven kings on the beast , also had the same name of blasphemy
Pontiff maximus ( the great high priest) yet the pope takes it a step further , saying he is the great high priest of the universal church, which means The church in heaven and on earth, universal church.
Again, jesus the messiah is the only great high priest of the church.

The abomination of desolation occurs before the jews are sent captive into all the nations.
The exact same event is given as jerusalem being surrounded by armies
Luke 21 KJV

 

[Listening]

All Israel Shall Be Saved

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Doxology


(Romans 16:25-27; Jude 1:24-25)



33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller? 35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.


Romans 11 KJV

Who is jesus
Who is the great high Priest?
Who does the pope declare himself to be?

The answer is here
Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts
Malachi 3:1 "I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.

 

[Ceptor]

Just as the pope Killed them ( 100 MILLION OF THEM ) for 1260 years And the pope is of ROME the city of seven hills and the pope claims to be sovereign a king .

You're looking at the 5 seals being opened.

Revelation 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


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You've re-written half the Bible my friend.

So, let's say the pope is the antichrist, hypothetically... what do we do now Listening?

I've told you already, greater is He who lives in me, than he who lives in the world.

We still preach the Gospel, I am not being deceived even if the antichrist were here. I know Jesus Christ.

And though I may be wasting my time in asking.. lol could we keep the reply to this one somewhat concise? Maybe one post?

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
~Albert Einstein

 

[Curtis]

Curtis, that is a ton of great info. Thanks for posting man. Everything made perfect sense to me except this part.

That verse in Matthew 24:31 lines up with the rapture itself, the falling away as you so well described it.

Or am I mistaken? I'll post the verses and underline and highlight the connections.



Matthew 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Revelation 6:12-17
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



These both describe the rapture. And the verse you said happened after the 1000 years is right in the middle of it. Directly after them "mourning" for fear of His wrath and telling the mountains to "fall on us".


How does 1000 years show up in the middle there somewhere? :/


The rest of your post taught me a great deal though, and the explanations are straightforward... THANK YOU!

Lets look at another description given by Jesus concerning the rapture,and the end of the world judgement.

Mat 13:26 So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
Mat 13:27 And the servants of the master of the house came and said to him, 'Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?'
Mat 13:28 He said to them, 'An enemy has done this.' So the servants said to him, 'Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
Mat 13:29 But he said, 'No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"

Notice: the weeds are to be gathered into bundles "to be burned". The weeds are NOT yet, burned they are only bundled to be burned at a later time. What happens to the "wheat"?
The wheat is gathered and put into his barn!! This gathering happens before the weeds are to be burned. This is a reference to the "rapture" as the barn would represent God's Kingdom to where his Saints are gathered to. Remember Jesus said that he did not come into this world to bring peace, but a sword, and division. (Luke 12:51) (Matt 10:34) A sword causes division. It separates the wheat from the weeds. The Word of God when preached, and taught under the power, and direction of the Holy Spirit "separates" the sheep from the goats. Jesus experienced this in his own ministry to where he taught a large group of people who did not like what he said, and they left never to come back. The Word does this under the anointing of the Spirit of God.

Later in this chapter Jesus once again refers to this subject, but then he changes it to reflect to will happen to the "weeds".


Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Notice: there is no mention of the wheat for they have already been gathered into God's barn (Kingdom), and now all the weeds that were once gathered together to be burned, are now burned in the fire. This happens at the end of the world, the last resurrection. where as the first resurrection was the "rapture" of the Church.

Just so you know, this is not something I study a lot, as the Lord has guided more in other areas concerning what I am suppose to speak about, but I think it is very important to know a little about it.

 

[Listening]

You're looking at the 5 seals being opened.

Revelation 6:9-11
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


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You've re-written half the Bible my friend.

So, let's say the pope is the antichrist, hypothetically... what do we do now Listening?

I've told you already, greater is He who lives in me, than he who lives in the world.

We still preach the Gospel, I am not being deceived even if the antichrist were here. I know Jesus Christ.

And though I may be wasting my time in asking.. lol could we keep the reply to this one somewhat concise? Maybe one post?

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
~Albert Einstein

I have not re written the bible
The facts of history were told before hand in the bible
God has shown me what the prophecies refer to.
You are refusing to accept them.
If you are not aware the pope is antichrist
You do not know what antichrist is.
That not being aware of what antichrist is why every single leadership has joined up in league with the second beast , which is a sign of the falling away, and it puts those under those apostate leaders in danger.
The sheep and lambs are in danger for they have a wolf in their midst and the pastors and church leaders are conspiring with that wolf.
This is another fact in history now that was told beforehand.
You seem to imagine that the 100 million souls of those killed have nothing to do with those under the alter asking God to avenge them.

 

[Listening]

Every christian murdered by the popes were murdered for their testimony
After they had given their testimony,
Each Of them gave their testimony during the time the world followed the popes
They prophesied during 1260 days( years rule of papal supremacy- 538 ad to 1798 ad ) in sackcloth and ashes while the world followed the papacy.



Every christian murdered by the popes ( estimated to be 100 million) were murdered after they had given their testimony.
Not before they had given it.

Or in other words
When they had finished their testimony The beast which comes up out of the pit
Kills them ..

I believe that the refusal to bury them refers to the fact that the world and the church
Does not recognise them.
Ignores them.

The bible has to be understood by the understanding given by the Holy Spirit.
It cannot be understood without the Holy Spirit.

 

[Listening]

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;


Many joined in with the popes ( and many still do Even to this day)
The list of atrocities are too many to mention
The people of this world murdered for the antichrist thinking they were doing a service to God
Literally. ( this is because they were deceived and loved a lie and took pleasure in unrighteousness)

"Rejoice over her, you heavens! Rejoice, you people of God! Rejoice, apostles and prophets! For God has judged her with the judgment she imposed on you."


Rejoicing in Heaven
1After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, "Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God; 2BECAUSE HIS JUDGMENTS ARE TRUE AND RIGHTEOUS; for He has judged the great harlot who was corrupting the earth with her immorality, and HE HAS AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS BOND-SERVANTS ON HER." 3And a second time they said, "Hallelujah! HER SMOKE RISES UP FOREVER AND EVER."…

 

[Listening]

Hebrews 11 KJV

You've re-written half the Bible my friend.

I've told you already, greater is He who lives in me, than he who lives in the world.

Murder of 100 million saints ( which is evidence of the Prophecy ) should at least not cause you to ridicule.
As i do not think that is what Jesus would do, do you?

 

[Listening]

I w

So the pope is the antichrist himself?

But then...



You tell everyone that the pope isn't THE "man of sin" by telling us that he is one of many who have been here "on the earth for centuries" and "declared itself to be God." lol

Maybe someone can shed a little more light on this seeing as I've had to take a break in my study for some other work, but if I remember correctly from previous reading the "man of sin" who is THE antichrist, I believe sets himself on a throne, and declares boldly he is "god".

This is referred to as the abomination of desolation in Daniel, and Jesus then tells us about it again in the New Testament.

The pope hasn't done this. He just made a speech saying "we follow Jesus"... and then ended his speech with "the failure of the cross."

Now that's some horrible blasphemy... but it wasn't bold. It was cowardly snaky likey.. lol

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There is a lottt of evil coming from the pope right now. But even with my limited knowledge on this subject, if the MAN OF SIN were here... you would likely be sitting under a guillotine awaiting the blade to sever your head. ( I'm inferring here. ) And from the verses Curtis posted, it's quite plainly stated He can't come here until the Holy Spirit is gone. Satan is on a leash, God still rules on His throne, and His Church is still here.

I can't see any other meaning of what Curtis just posted. He explained it really well too.

ps, I still love you even if we disagree.

But I do disagree. Even if what you say is true, greater is He who lives in me than he who lives in the world. :coffee:

i wrote

Everyone who believes antichrist is yet to come has been And is being deceived by him.


What i meant by this is that anyone who did not recognise the pope as antichrist
Was fooled by the popes deception, i.e. that it is of God.
He is not Of God.

Ok now let us use our common sense which God gave use of.
The last beast kingdom Daniel spoke of was to have ten kings and an eleventh who is focused on, hence he is called the little horn. But he is still a king like all the rest.
Now, when God reveals there are seven kings on the beast
What does that mean to you?
God wants you to realise that kingdoms have a king
But obviously many men become king of that kingdom
Unless there is only one king and the kingdom falls.
Now there are only seven kings seen on the beast
Yet like the little horn prophecy focused on one king
there is an 8th king.
But this time, that 8 th king was not on that beast which has seven kings.
This 8th is shown as VERY important by this fact that IT IS NOT SEEN ON TH BEAST KINGDOM
( WHICH IS THE SAME BEAST KINGDOM DANIEL SAW IN HIS PROPHECY- THE LAST ON EARTH
ROME)
This 8th king that was not seen on the beast Is called THE BEAST KING
Yes IN BOLD LETTERS
HE IS THE beast King
yes THE!
He alone is called THE beast king None of the others are.
And he is also called THE ACTUAL BEAST ITSELF!

What this is showing us is that the prophetic destiny of this fourth beast empire, which is the last to come on earth and is ROME, the whole destiny of ROME was to be infested and ruled by the spirit of antichrist
And this antichrist nature would reach its full power when the man of sin himself would rule ROME.
Now the man of sin is not one man just as kings are many over kingdoms
It is the position of king and title that is the Key.
Just like there is many men who become king
And just like there is many men who become president of the usa
But there is always one king, and always one president.
This is how the world and reality works. The prophecies of the bible many times describe events which take place on earth. The reality of life dictates man must die, there is only one immortal king.
The beast king is NOT immortal, just as the emperor of rome was not immortal.
God expects you to use common sense, if you cannot understand earthly things how can you understand spiritual things?
The Papacy is the Prophesied beast king.

 

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And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13:1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns
Revelation 17:3 Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.


When we see the beast again
It is after the 8th king the beast king is ruling it
We have gone beyond seeing it with its seven roman emperors.
Although they are still seen, but there is a difference to its appearance
We now see it as a scarlet beast, the colour of the papacy the colour of the 8 king, the beast king.
And we see a woman riding it who herself is clothed in the Colour of the papacy, both purple and scarlet
AND she is drunk with the blood of the saints.

 

[Ceptor]

The wheat is gathered and put into his barn!! This gathering happens before the weeds are to be burned. This is a reference to the "rapture"

Exactly, so then the rapture isn't after the thousand years right? Because that's when the weeds are burned, later.

I just can't see the angels gathering us after the thousand years from the verses is all, and what you explain here leads me to think you're seeing it that way too. Maybe I misunderstood what you said before. Idk.

But again, thanks for all that. Makes sense.

It may be a short while before I can finish my study unfortunately though. I love this part of the Bible.

I have not re written the bible

You're misunderstanding my statement. I'm beginning to understand where your posts are coming from.

And I'm not ridiculing you.. lol, I'm disagreeing with you. Big difference.

We agree Christ is risen and is the King of kings. We can stand on that brother.

God bless Listening!

 

[Listening]

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The whole world followed the popes
While the popes murdered the saints
And the world basically ignored the deaths of the saints
Who preached the gospel of christ
For one thousand two hundred and three score days
And after that time i am sure the world started celebrating christmas
Meaning after 1798

Not really christmas but..


G. Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”[5]

H. As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.”[6] On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.


C.The Origin of Christmas Presents
In pre-Christian Rome, the emperors compelled their most despised citizens to bring offerings and gifts during the Saturnalia (in December) and Kalends (in January). Later, this ritual expanded to include gift-giving among the general populace. The Catholic Church gave this custom a Christian flavor by re-rooting it in the supposed gift-giving of Saint Nicholas (see below).[10]

It is horrific to understand the popes introduced christmas
Who murdered 100 million children of God
Who the world ignored the deaths of At the hands of the papacy
And the world celebrates by sending each other presents by following the festival inaugurated by the murderer.

 

[Listening]

Exactly, so then the rapture isn't after the thousand years right? Because that's when the weeds are burned, later.

I just can't see the angels gathering us after the thousand years from the verses is all, and what you explain here leads me to think you're seeing it that way too. Maybe I misunderstood what you said before. Idk.

But again, thanks for all that. Makes sense.

It may be a short while before I can finish my study unfortunately though. I love this part of the Bible.








You're misunderstanding my statement. I'm beginning to understand where your posts are coming from.

And I'm not ridiculing you.. lol, I'm disagreeing with you. Big difference.

We agree Christ is risen and is the King of kings. We can stand on that brother.

God bless Listening!

Yes we can.

 

[Listening]

It i

It is horrific to understand the popes introduced christmas
Who murdered 100 million children of God
Who the world ignored the deaths of At the hands of the papacy
And the world celebrates by sending each other presents by following the festival inaugurated by the murderer.

It as if God is saying how can you follow The present giving this murderer of my children Set up
And not see the dead bodies of my children committed by this murderer of them you refuse to acknowledge it and instead follow his so called celebration of my holy child's birth?


And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

 

[Curtis]

Exactly, so then the rapture isn't after the thousand years right? Because that's when the weeds are burned, later.

I just can't see the angels gathering us after the thousand years from the verses is all, and what you explain here leads me to think you're seeing it that way too. Maybe I misunderstood what you said before. Idk.

But again, thanks for all that. Makes sense.

It may be a short while before I can finish my study unfortunately though. I love this part of the Bible.








You're misunderstanding my statement. I'm beginning to understand where your posts are coming from.

And I'm not ridiculing you.. lol, I'm disagreeing with you. Big difference.

We agree Christ is risen and is the King of kings. We can stand on that brother.

God bless Listening!

During the thousand year rein of Christ we will also be reining with him, but we will not all be in the same place at the same time, as we will be placed in other country's or places as Jesus representative. The Angels will gather God's elect from the four winds for the last resurrection and the great white throne judgement.

 

[Listening]

So just like the erroneous catholic rapture doctrine was designed to deceive the church and cover up the man of sin the pope by lying that the man of sin will come after the rapture, the invention of placing christ's birth as 25 December is another deception by the man of sin to get the world to follow the festival set up by the murderer of Gods Saints.

 

[Listening]

:laugh:If one king was in johns day
And there was only one more to come
Then the beast king comes

How long do those who follow the idea that the rapture must occur before the man of sin
The beast king is revealed, think the 7Th king lived for?

By my reckoning the rapture ready crowd must be thinking that seventh king must have lived already 1,900 years or so and is STILL living now!!,

 

[Listening]

The papacy is trapped by the scripture
God made sure of it.
And he even made sure that those who want to praise the papacy
Are trapped by the scripture also.
I must admit i enjoy reading the prophecy and playing the game of chess with them who try and corrupt it.
They cannot win.
God made sure they cannot, God is very wise.

 

[norapture]

[Ceptor, post: 265687, member: 30936"]I was indeed saying that the rapture was the start of the "Day of the Lord" that is also called "The wrath of the Lamb" which is the beginning of the tribulation, when tribulation is referred to as the seven year period of God's wrath poured out. It begins at the sixth seal.

I have not studied enough in depth to answer the second question with certainty as of yet.[/QUOTE]

Tribulation and Gods wrath are not the same.

 

[Bendito]

During the thousand year rein of Christ we will also be reining with him, but we will not all be in the same place at the same time, as we will be placed in other country's or places as Jesus representative. The Angels will gather God's elect from the four winds for the last resurrection and the great white throne judgement.

At the end of the tribulation period Jesus comes back with tens of thousands of His saints..The bride. The bride is the one who rules with Jesus. Has it ocurred to anyone that the bride is/are the one who is chosen from the called..."For many are called, but few are chosen" The chosen will be the ones who are surrendered to Gods will and live as He wants us to. who do the things He wants us to. Not all Christians will surrender their wills to God. They are not the chosen