What to expect in hell

[Sue D.]

@Beetow. -- God is the only one who knows who is dying in their sins and who isn't.

 

[Sue D.]

Also God's Word doesn't use the term "netherworld " where do you get it from.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Also God's Word doesn't use the term "netherworld " where do you get it from.

In most translations you can spot this phrase "those who are UNDERNEATH the earth", that's the netherworld, the realm of the dead. Apostle John saw the dead saints crying out for vengeance, that's what this is talking about. This may be a bitter pill to swollow, but the truth is, when we yield our last breath, we don't go to heaven or hell, we go to this “netherworld” waiting to be resurrected.

 

[PloughBoy]

In most translations you can spot this phrase "those who are UNDERNEATH the earth", that's the netherworld, the realm of the dead. Apostle John saw the dead saints crying out for vengeance, that's what this is talking about. This may be a bitter pill to swollow, but the truth is, when we yield our last breath, we don't go to heaven or hell, we go to this “netherworld” waiting to be resurrected.

Y'all something else. Have you been there? have God even given you a simulation?

 

[Beetow]

In most translations you can spot this phrase "those who are UNDERNEATH the
earth"

An example is located at Phil 2:10
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[Sue D.]

@Beetow -- the Philippians 2 : 10 passage continues in vs 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord , to the glory of God the Father. " which means that those who are buries 6 ft under in Graves. Will at some point acknowledge Jesus Christ is Lord as the previous verse says. As well as those in the Hades part of Abraham's bosom.

 

[Beetow]

which means that those who are buries 6 ft under in Graves.

Not everyone is given a proper burial. Some folks have undergone incineration,
others have been eaten by sharks, crabs, birds, and animals, while others have
been shattered to the four winds by explosions.

But let's say hypothetically that Phil 2:10 pertains to graves. Well; some of the
dead have been interred for so long that scarcely their bones remain. How will
those remains manage to confess and bow to Jesus? Are the remains of the dead
capable of speech and mobility at all, let alone while still underground?

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• Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge
fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

When you think about it, Jesus' crucified dead body never was in the heart of the
Earth: it was laid to rest up on the surface; and not even in the ground like a
normal grave-- his remains were entombed in a hollow rock. (Matt 27:60)

So, in order for Jesus to be up on the surface of the Earth, and down in its bowels
at the same time; he and his body had to part company.

According to Ps 16:8-10 and Acts 2:25-31, when Jesus passed away, he went to a
place in the afterlife called sheol: Jonah went there too. (Jonah 2:2)

Jonah 2:6 locates sheol at the roots of the mountains. Well, I think we can all agree
that the roots of the mountains aren't situated in the tummies of fish.

If Jesus Christ's resurrection is true-- if his dead body was actually restored to life
within three days and three nights --then Jesus most certainly is the one man in the
New Testament that everybody really ought to approach with a great deal of
caution because Jonah's message warned of the impending destruction of just one
city; while Jesus' message warns of the impending destruction of many cities. (Rev
16:17-19)

• Matt 12:41 . . People of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation
and will condemn it; because they repented at what Jonah preached, but, look!
something more than Jonah is here.

NOTE: I am very weary of people referring to Abraham's bosom as if it were a
geographic location when it's the man's breast area: the part of our body where we
draw others to ourselves for hugs. The scene in Luke 16:19-31 depicts Abraham
with his arms around Lazarus, comforting him; and the poor slob really needed it
after the cards he was dealt in life.
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[B-A-C]

Jesus' crucified dead body never was in the heart of the
Earth:

Eph 4:8; Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
Eph 4:9; Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10; He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.

 

[Beetow]

Have you been there? have God even given you a simulation?

Every so often I'm asked how I know that my religion is right. My answer is:
I don't know if it's right. Then of course they want to know how it is that I
believe in my religion when I don't know whether it's right.

That's a fair inquiry. Most of the people who ask me those kinds of questions
are genuine; they're not trying to trip me up and make a fool out of me.
They are honestly curious. So I tell them, in so many words, that though I
don't know if my religion is right, my conscience tells me it is; in other
words: I cannot shake the conviction that the religion I believe in is right.

Why does anybody believe what they believe? Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu,
Bahá'í, Hare Krishna, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist,
Judaism, Voodoo, Wiccan, Jain, Druze, Native American, etc, etc, etc. The
answer? Because it grips their heart-- the core of their being --which is very
different than persuading someone with logic and reasoning, for example:

"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart
man believes, etc, etc. (Rom 10:9-10)

When folks are persuaded to buy into an ideology by means of logic and
reasoning, they can be just as easily persuaded to renounce it by logic and
reasoning. But someone whose heart is gripped by their ideology is not so
easily removed regardless of how strong, how sensible, how convincing, nor
how logical the opposition's argument-- and it isn't unusual to see that kind
of resolve among atheists and agnostics too.
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[PloughBoy]

Every so often I'm asked how I know that my religion is right. My answer is:
I don't know if it's right. Then of course they want to know how it is that I
believe in my religion when I don't know whether it's right.

That's a fair inquiry. Most of the people who ask me those kinds of questions
are genuine; they're not trying to trip me up and make a fool out of me.
They are honestly curious. So I tell them, in so many words, that though I
don't know if my religion is right, my conscience tells me it is; in other
words: I cannot shake the conviction that the religion I believe in is right.

Why does anybody believe what they believe? Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu,
Bahá'í, Hare Krishna, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist,
Judaism, Voodoo, Wiccan, Jain, Druze, Native American, etc, etc, etc. The
answer? Because it grips their heart-- the core of their being --which is very
different than persuading someone with logic and reasoning, for example:

"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart
man believes, etc, etc. (Rom 10:9-10)

When folks are persuaded to buy into an ideology by means of logic and
reasoning, they can be just as easily persuaded to renounce it by logic and
reasoning. But someone whose heart is gripped by their ideology is not so
easily removed regardless of how strong, how sensible, how convincing, nor
how logical the opposition's argument-- and it isn't unusual to see that kind
of resolve among atheists and agnostics too.
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A Honest reply.

 

[gsmonte]

According to Matt 10:28, the body and the soul are perishable. However; though
the body is perishable by any means, the soul is perishable only by divine means;
i.e. the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily simultaneous, viz: the soul lives
on until such a time as God decides to give it either a thumb up or a thumb down.

If there is such a thing as soul sleep, I won't know it, here's why:

I've been under anesthesia once for appendicitis, twice for hernias, twice for total
knee replacements, once for a colonoscopy, and once for an endoscopy. In none of
those procedures was I aware of the passage of time. The very moment I went
under was simultaneous with awakening. So if soul sleep is like that, I'll be in
Heaven as if I went from here to there in less than a second of time on the clock,
i.e. instantaneously. The same can be said for folks on track for the great white
throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
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[gsmonte]

“though
the body is perishable by any means, the soul is perishable only by divine means;
i.e. the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily simultaneous, viz: the soul lives
on until such a time as God decides to give it either a thumb up or a thumb down.” Scripture, please.

 

[Beetow]

though the body is perishable by any means, the soul is perishable only by divine
means; i.e. the deaths of body and soul aren't necessarily simultaneous, viz: the
soul lives on until such a time as God decides to give it either a thumb up or a
thumb down. Scripture, please.

Matt 10:28 (cf. Luke 12:4-5)
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[Jonathan_Gale]

Matt 10:28 (cf. Luke 12:4-5)
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This is one of the most misinterpreted verses due to the prevailing philosophy of gnosticism. In Matt. 10:28, Yeshua was teaching the principle of "believers live twice, die once; unbelievers live once, die twice." The term "soul" therein is not referring to the "immortal soul", but the NEXT LIFE in the millennial kingdom. Keep in mind that a believer will be resurrected with a NEW BODY when the Lord returns, just like the Lord himself, that's the also the "first resurrection" in Rev. 20. If you compare Matt. 10:28 with Luke 12:4-5, which you also quoted, you can see that "soul" is not mentioned at all in Luke 12:4-5, but it is clearly stated that "AFTER THAT have no more that they can do." They cannot thwart the Lord's plan of returning to earth and raising us up from the grave! In contrast, "destroy both body and soul" means no resurrection and second death in the Lake of Fire.

 

[gsmonte]

Matt 10:28 (cf. Luke 12:4-5)
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You are adding to Matt. 10:28. Nothing is said or implied that “
the
soul lives on until such a time as God decides to give it either a thumb up or a
thumb down.” Your thoughts are not Divine, but carnal. Agree?

 

[Beetow]

The law of God requires eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, hand for
hand, foot for foot, wound for wound, and stripe for stripe. (Ex 21:23-25)

Where does that leave people like Ted Kaczynski who killed and/or maimed 26
people with homemade bombs; or Stephen Paddock who indiscriminately sprayed a
music concert in Las Vegas with a rifle equipped with a bump stock resulting in 471
dead and/or wounded; and the numerous serial killers that are in and out of the
news from time to time? How are those murderers supposed to balance the scales
of justice for all the illegal deaths they've caused?

Well; the fact of the matter is: they can't balance the scales because they simply
don't' have enough lives of their own with which to pay for their victims' lives.

This makes me suspect that suffering in the afterlife isn't uniform, i.e. there's one
Hell, but its circumstances may be something akin to the nine levels of Inferno in
Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy. Wouldn't that be something?
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[Sue D.]

Every so often I'm asked how I know that my religion is right. My answer is:
I don't know if it's right. Then of course they want to know how it is that I
believe in my religion when I don't know whether it's right.

That's a fair inquiry. Most of the people who ask me those kinds of questions
are genuine; they're not trying to trip me up and make a fool out of me.
They are honestly curious. So I tell them, in so many words, that though I
don't know if my religion is right, my conscience tells me it is; in other
words: I cannot shake the conviction that the religion I believe in is right.

Why does anybody believe what they believe? Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu,
Bahá'í, Hare Krishna, Jehovah's Witness, Mormon, Catholic, Baptist,
Judaism, Voodoo, Wiccan, Jain, Druze, Native American, etc, etc, etc. The
answer? Because it grips their heart-- the core of their being --which is very
different than persuading someone with logic and reasoning, for example:

"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart
man believes, etc, etc. (Rom 10:9-10)

When folks are persuaded to buy into an ideology by means of logic and
reasoning, they can be just as easily persuaded to renounce it by logic and
reasoning. But someone whose heart is gripped by their ideology is not so
easily removed regardless of how strong, how sensible, how convincing, nor
how logical the opposition's argument-- and it isn't unusual to see that kind
of resolve among atheists and agnostics too.
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I've also wondered what your religious background is.

 

[Sue D.]

The law of God requires eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, hand for
hand, foot for foot, wound for wound, and stripe for stripe. (Ex 21:23-25)

Where does that leave people like Ted Kaczynski who killed and/or maimed 26
people with homemade bombs; or Stephen Paddock who indiscriminately sprayed a
music concert in Las Vegas with a rifle equipped with a bump stock resulting in 471
dead and/or wounded; and the numerous serial killers that are in and out of the
news from time to time? How are those murderers supposed to balance the scales
of justice for all the illegal deaths they've caused?

Well; the fact of the matter is: they can't balance the scales because they simply
don't' have enough lives of their own with which to pay for their victims' lives.

This makes me suspect that suffering in the afterlife isn't uniform, i.e. there's one
Hell, but its circumstances may be something akin to the nine levels of Inferno in
Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy. Wouldn't that be something?
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That's why there's the death penalty. Or life in prison with no chance of parole. But why take a chance of Maybe different levels of punishment depending on how bad a person has been. Remember that the lake of fire and brimstone is only meant for Satan the beast and the false prophet. God has the way to out of there. By accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. So it's up to the individual to make their personal decision.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The law of God requires eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, hand for
hand, foot for foot, wound for wound, and stripe for stripe. (Ex 21:23-25)

The purpose of this law is to assure that the punishment matches the damage caused by the crime and does not exceed it, so further retribution can be prevented. “Vengeance is mine,” says the Lord. Without this law, the victims’ family will take justice in their own hands, and thus escalates the violence and perpetuates a vicious cycle. This is where Romans 13, one of the most misinterpreted portion, is applied. God appointed earthly government to maintain law and order.

There’s a critical worldview developed from Deut. 32:8, which we must keep in mind. It reads:

“When the Most High divided the nations, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the nations according to the number of the children of Israel.”

The highlighted part is a critical error in most translations, including KJV. In Septuigent it’s “angels of God,” in the Dead Sea scroll it’s “sons of God,” those angelic beings are the real bosses in charge of earthly governments. They’re authorized to enforce God’s law. When they did not properly do their job and allowed a serial killer to take 26 lives, the utmost punishment for that serial killer is death, like everybody else, but these angels will suffer eternal torment for their dereliction of duty. They are the ones that will burn in hell forever.

 

[Sue D.]

The Deuteronomy passage in the NKJV.reads "the children of Israel "
So you're basing your comments on the Septuigent wording of 'Angel's of God." And the angel's authority --are you talking about the fallen angel's. There are messenger angel's that go back and forth in the Old Testament.

Or are you talking about guardian angels?
Sounds like you're suggesting that angels who allow people to be victims of serial killers are doomed to hell?!