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Why do i not attend church?

Again, church, ekklasia, or "commonwealth of Israel" as Paul put it, is never a building with a bell tower and a cross on top, but an assembly called out for a purpose. In this case, partaking of the Lamb's wedding feast at God's table.
I agree.
Does this fact, however, imply that these gatherings could not or should not be held in set places....even inside buildings? Is there anything "wrong" or unbiblical about worshippers having an established building where they can meet to worship?
And did the early (1st century) church often have gatherings in buildings and in set places?
Even Abraham had a specific "place" where he went routinely to meet with God.
 
I agree.
Does this fact, however, imply that these gatherings could not or should not be held in set places....even inside buildings? Is there anything "wrong" or unbiblical about worshippers having an established building where they can meet to worship?
And did the early (1st century) church often have gatherings in buildings and in set places?
Even Abraham had a specific "place" where he went routinely to meet with God.
Man, why are you so against the benefit of having a roof above your head while you receive the word of God? I used to attend a home church, and that was in a building - at a set place! A gathering in the open air out on the street is not a congregation, but a demonstration.
 
Sure b nice to find a few most follow the preachers words ova YHs Word so I have speak about YH to whomever wanna hear n that would consist of believers n non believers n those who r sitting on the fence

Even a Sea monster feeds their own
As it is written

N if I was to try n wait to purposely attend a gathering most likely it b a gathering of the blind being led by blind

Twistie :broken_heart:
:)
 
Man, why are you so against the benefit of having a roof above your head while you receive the word of God? I used to attend a home church, and that was in a building - at a set place! A gathering in the open air out on the street is not a congregation, but a demonstration.
I think we must be talking past one another or in circles. I am absolutely not against having church in buildings as I attend church in a very big building built for that very purpose.
It was your repeated post which emphatically pointed out that the Greek word translated as "church" does not refer to a "building" which led me to believe that you were opposed to the concept of churches meeting in their established structures. I don't know many mature Christians who'd disagree with you on the point that "church" doesn't mean "the building." So why post the obvious?
Sorry if I misinterpreted. I meant no offense.
 
If we don’t need an organized church, why did God create the fivefold ministry? (Ephesians 4) Why does Paul give such extensive, and specific instruction on church leadership in his 1st letter to Timothy (1Timothy 2-3)? In fact, why would the vast majority of Paul’s writings address the church, church order, and church structure if an organized church weren’t essential?
Why did Christ even establish a church to begin with if He didn’t deem it necessary to His plans for spreading the gospel? Are we to simply disregard all of this based on our “FEELINGS” about “organized religion” and modern church gatherings?

And anyone who has the least bit of knowledge and discernment, understands what scripture means when it says, “forsake not the gathering together….”
It only takes us reading the passage in full context and looking at whom the writer of Hebrews was addressing to know it’s not talking about you and your immediate family…..it’s talking about a gathering of “brothers” and “sisters”……likeminded believers unified in spirit and in purpose.
Your quote:
"If we don’t need an organized church, why did God create the fivefold ministry?"

Jesus or God never Created a Organized Church SYSTEM, Man {the human with humans hands and mortar and rules and regulations written on paper and stamp with ink to make their system authentic and legal with bylaws, Started a organization and called it a church a non profit Organization .


THE LORD does Not need a Organization for he s "GOD" what is wrong with people, God is not like us and we do not know what He is!!! How dare we bring Him down to our Filthy no good for nothing Level! How Can The Dirt Define GOD or any of His WAYS?:? How can the Sinner, even by grace even Look, approach His DOOR without A BOW Down Head and dare to Look Up at Him? God Refuses to Dwell in A Building "let Alone A Church Building! he ain't in There. He is inThe Hearts of Men and He refuses to enter a Building made with The Filthy Hands of men. And many think, he lies ,and come in there anyway.

But Jesus said: Upon "ME" [this ROCK The Solid Rock] I will Build "MY CONGREGATION" And The Gates Of Hell Cannot Tear It Down!

International Standard Version
I tell you that you are [a stone] Peter, and it is on this "ROCK" that I will build my congregation, and the powers of hell will not conquer it.

Literal Standard Version
And I also say to you that you are [a stone] Peter and on this "ROCK"I will build My Assembly, and [the] gates of Hades will not prevail against it;

Bishops' Bible of 1568
And I say also vnto thee, that thou art Peter, and vpon this rocke I wyll buylde my congregation: And the gates of hell shall not preuayle agaynst it.

Coverdale Bible of 1535
And I saie to ye: Thou art Peter, & vpo this rocke wil I builde my cogregacion: and ye gates of hell shal not preuayle agaynst it.

Tyndale Bible of 1526
And I saye also vnto the yt thou arte Peter: and apon this rocke I wyll bylde my congregacion. And the gates of hell shall not prevayle ageynst it.

Religious are so evil, Just like they took the very words Jesus Christ said "I will Build My Congregation"

They took His very words and Kick out into The streets and considered it so foul and replace it with the own man made words. and gave it their own man made definition! HIs "WORD" did not satisfy Them so they Replaced the English word withe their own definition and spelling

They are no different today as they were yesterday, Change "The GOD WORD" Congregation to Church Yesterday, and Now today they have Change "The GOD WORD" from "MALE to TRANS" The "FEMALE to YOUCALLIT" No difference, Thy change words as they please, If the Father was not in "HEAVEN" of If they could reach Heaven they would go there, The highly intelligent would fly there and drag God right off from His Throne and throw him down in The street! and the man organized Church would foot the Bill by "Tithes and offerings!

They would even spit in HIS face!

New American Standard Bible Matthew 26: 67
Then they spit in His face and beat Him with their fists; and others slapped Him,


Matthew 27:30
Then they spit on Him and took the staff and struck Him on the head repeatedly.

Mark 14:65
Then some of them began to spit on Him. They blindfolded Him, struck Him with their fists, and said to Him, "Prophesy!" And the officers received Him with slaps in His face.

Luke 22:63
The men who were holding Jesus began to mock Him and beat Him.


They did it yesterday and if he was here today, the Organized church would do it to Him today! They would say take him, and Crucify.

"it is by grace you are saved" you are guilty today, you are guilty! there is nothing "innocence about you" "we deserved death and Hell and to be thrown into The Lake burning with "Fire and BrimStone" where are worms die not. No you Know that you are still Guilty? "for we are only "saved by grace" we are not innocent. Not even one of us, "No not even One" Just because you "repented and turn from your Sins, does not make you Innocent or Pardon you.

When we where yet sinners, Christ Died for us. Guilty. and many do not believe in "Predestination".
 
Do you know MOST of the Christian pastors on Earth today?
If not, your statement is just hyperbole and means nothing.
You said “MOST pastors are not trying to imitate Christ”.
Did you not say you were done dicussing this with me? You really do need to make up your mind....As you can plainly see though...we disagree...Lets agree on that and stop this conversation....Can you do that?
 
Your quote:
"If we don’t need an organized church, why did God create the fivefold ministry?"

Jesus or God never Created a Organized Church SYSTEM, Man {the human with humans hands and mortar and rules and regulations written on paper and stamp with ink to make their system authentic and legal with bylaws, Started a organization and called it a church a non profit Organization .


THE LORD does Not need a Organization for he s "GOD" what is wrong with people, God is not like us and we do not know what He is!!! How dare we bring Him down to our Filthy no good for nothing Level! How Can The Dirt Define GOD or any of His WAYS?:? How can the Sinner, even by grace even Look, approach His DOOR without A BOW Down Head and dare to Look Up at Him? God Refuses to Dwell in A Building "let Alone A Church Building! he ain't in There. He is inThe Hearts of Men and He refuses to enter a Building made with The Filthy Hands of men. And many think, he lies ,and come in there anyway.

But Jesus said: Upon "ME" [this ROCK The Solid Rock] I will Build "MY CONGREGATION" And The Gates Of Hell Cannot Tear It Down!

International Standard Version
I tell you that you are [a stone] Peter, and it is on this "ROCK" that I will build my congregation, and the powers of hell will not conquer it.

Literal Standard Version
And I also say to you that you are [a stone] Peter and on this "ROCK"I will build My Assembly, and [the] gates of Hades will not prevail against it;

Bishops' Bible of 1568
And I say also vnto thee, that thou art Peter, and vpon this rocke I wyll buylde my congregation: And the gates of hell shall not preuayle agaynst it.

Coverdale Bible of 1535
And I saie to ye: Thou art Peter, & vpo this rocke wil I builde my cogregacion: and ye gates of hell shal not preuayle agaynst it.

Tyndale Bible of 1526
And I saye also vnto the yt thou arte Peter: and apon this rocke I wyll bylde my congregacion. And the gates of hell shall not prevayle ageynst it.

Religious are so evil, Just like they took the very words Jesus Christ said "I will Build My Congregation"

They took His very words and Kick out into The streets and considered it so foul and replace it with the own man made words. and gave it their own man made definition! HIs "WORD" did not satisfy Them so they Replaced the English word withe their own definition and spelling

They are no different today as they were yesterday, Change "The GOD WORD" Congregation to Church Yesterday, and Now today they have Change "The GOD WORD" from "MALE to TRANS" The "FEMALE to YOUCALLIT" No difference, Thy change words as they please, If the Father was not in "HEAVEN" of If they could reach Heaven they would go there, The highly intelligent would fly there and drag God right off from His Throne and throw him down in The street! and the man organized Church would foot the Bill by "Tithes and offerings!

They would even spit in HIS face!

New American Standard Bible Matthew 26: 67
Then they spit in His face and beat Him with their fists; and others slapped Him,


Matthew 27:30
Then they spit on Him and took the staff and struck Him on the head repeatedly.

Mark 14:65
Then some of them began to spit on Him. They blindfolded Him, struck Him with their fists, and said to Him, "Prophesy!" And the officers received Him with slaps in His face.

Luke 22:63
The men who were holding Jesus began to mock Him and beat Him.


They did it yesterday and if he was here today, the Organized church would do it to Him today! They would say take him, and Crucify.

"it is by grace you are saved" you are guilty today, you are guilty! there is nothing "innocence about you" "we deserved death and Hell and to be thrown into The Lake burning with "Fire and BrimStone" where are worms die not. No you Know that you are still Guilty? "for we are only "saved by grace" we are not innocent. Not even one of us, "No not even One" Just because you "repented and turn from your Sins, does not make you Innocent or Pardon you.

When we where yet sinners, Christ Died for us. Guilty. and many do not believe in "Predestination".
I dont want to argue with you man. If you don't think it was Jesus' plan to have an organized, orderly, established church......take it up with the likes of the Apostles James, Peter, and Paul. Maybe they got it all wrong and totally misunderstood Jesus' intent.
 
Good verse! That is assuming, of course, that the leaders are imitating Jesus 1 Corinthians 11:1 11 try to imitate me, even as I myself try to imitate the Messiah.
Of course most preachers do not try to imitate Jesus
was that not A letter written to a corrupt city that was heavy dominated by all kinds of Churches established by greek worshipping people who had church temples that worshipped The many greek Gods And goddesses and the new converts to "The WAY"had no idea of how they should act in this Brand new religion with no instructions at all, of their conduct. Most could not read their were no New Testament writings of conduct . The date of this letter to a assembly of people that had no building, rules or conduct in how they should conduct themselves in taking on a a new religion. A.D. 56 after about 20 years after the death of Jesus There was no New Testament writings or a Bible as such.

And they were taught of no conduct, they were taught out of The Old Testament that was written for Jews, So if taught out of it, it was to point Out How Jesus the Coming Jewish Messiah was "The SON of GOD' that they heard about that Was in Jerusalem that Died and caused so much trouble among the Jews.

Now what? Here we are talking about a most corrupted group in the City Corinth, That have none what so ever, but some missionaries trying to establish an New Religion among "Idol worshipers that have no idea who or what the Gospel According to Jesus is" in which Paul is the only one that has that information of conduct and he is having a big headache of a problem he could every imagine, even Peter is all messed up and they all got Barnabas all mess up! The Apostles are all messed up! even Barnabas all messed up looking stupid in the corner trying to figure out what is going on!

Galatians 2:13
New International Version
The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy EVEN BARNABAS WAS LED ASTRAY.

New Living Translation
As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

And these preacher around here talking about The Church is built on Peter the rock! I cannot help it, read your BIBLE and stop listen to these men!


Y'all need to go in corner and STOP reading those verses and START reading Y'all BIBLE!


You need to learn how, to know how, to consider dates in your readings, cultures, mix nations and take into account, that must could not read, there were no "Old testaments bibles for for Gentiles and if they did even the Jewish leaders could not Point Jesus Out of the "Old Testament writings, and they sure was not a "New Testament" book, but spot "recopied letters originating from "PAUL's " hand or "Amanuensis" from all backgrounds.

What did Jesus say and why did he say that about the poor:
King James Bible
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because He Hath Anointed Me To Preach The Gospel To The Poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, {the poor could not read or write] [So how could they know without a preacher to [tell] proclaim it to them? They could not read or write. and most men will not tell you the truth they rather lie than to speak truth, They are going to lie to you for that is their nature. Men and women are Sinners and what does sinners do they Sin, Born Sinners, born homo sexual , born liars, born murders, born haters, born prejudice, born thieves, just depends which sin they like the most. and some sins lie low until it come to age and blossom.

Through out the whole BIBLE it makes it plain they the poor could not read. And the devil has always has an answer to defy "the because" every time, Too fight against the very Words of GOD even "Upon This Rock I will build "MY CONGREGATION" the devil will defy, No JESUS "The CHURCH will be built and man with do it, and we will defy every word Jesus, that comes out of the Mouth of GOD,
"Husband Obey Your WIFE" and son and daughter defy your parents and Pay their church, your "Tithes and offerings"before you pay any man, before you feed your children before you feed and take care of your age parents who are sick and hungry or lack of shelter upon their heads, Pay and support Your God the Church 1st!....... Bow to The ones who represent GOD and Jesus Christ who look after your souls the men and the women who are the pastors and elders and minister who protect your souls. " I Know who died for me!

LORD, something ain't right, Something is not right. it don't fit. for almost 50 years and it still do not fix.


Think people, before you read, and stop climbing through all of these windows and coming in through the back door, And come and knock or ring the bell and wipe off you feet or pull off your shoes and come and sit down at His feet And learn from him and stop learning from that man,

You have free bibles of all kinds. God has made it possible for you to learn real good and read and not pay one dime, It Was "LAW" for you to learn how to read, In order for you to read how to read GOD's Bible, so that another could not fool you and feed you Lies,

You can read and have a Bible in your own language, Now tell Me why, you need a man or women to feed you life A Cow feeds her Calf, like A Mare feeds her Filly? But yet you can go get a 4 year degree plus 2 even a 8 year degree and you cannot read the Bible alone as One Book in over 30-40 you cannot do that, and many claim, they have a freewill, but yet to read "GOD"S WORD" to them is not that important or necessary. but yet they want to fight over crumbs as if they are Bible scholar that has been ordain by God to declared his Unadulterated TRUTH with A vengeance.
 
I dont want to argue with you man. If you don't think it was Jesus' plan to have an organized, orderly, established church......take it up with the likes of the Apostles James, Peter, and Paul. Maybe they got it all wrong and totally misunderstood Jesus' intent.
God raise up "Pharoah" and when Pharoah wanted to set The hebrews free God harden Pharaoh's his Heart so he would n't set the hebrews free, God Murdered and Killed Pharoah child, and All of the 1st. Born OF THE Egyptian's , THE children in all of "Egypt" God sent the death Angel to murder babies, and the Israelites when they cross the Jordan, God had them Murder and kill many cities of babies and wives and children and leave not one creature alive Kill everybody, Man woman and child, For the Lord Jesus Christ even Created The Demons and The Devil.

God Gave The Devil His Power And All The Demons Their Power And They Cannot Do Anything Unless They have Permission To Kill On Do Any harm Or Anything. It Has To Be Ordain By God Their Creator, Who is Jesus, the Son of GOD gave the devil the Power that the devil has and the devil and all of the demons still obey's Him who is their LORD even When He Walked the Earth. I am No Fool, I KNOW That "GOD IS SOVEREIGN"

"The Bible SAYS: "The Fool Says IN HIS heart There Is No God" You may claim that i am i fool by your arraignment of words. But The same God that created The Devil and all of The demons is the Same GOD that created the very Dirt that created The Dirt that establish The church and the document and The laws that it is written and establish upon and one day that same church that you are so blown up about MY [our] GOD will DESTROY it and Some of us will never know it every even existed it. and it will not even come to the mind of "The ALMIGHTY GOD"

I can read, and I know its history. You may have thought I couldn't, or was not Gifted in the Power of God to read the Biblical Text Of Holy Scripture and Able to divide The Word of Scripture by so Ordain By GOD and CHOSEN, I did not call him nor did I choose HIM, He Chose me to do just what I am doing, I did not choose Him or this occupation neither did I desirer too do so. So if I was you, I would slow my roll. I am not your junk yard dog, as if I have taken this initiative upon myself, just because I poured over a couple of tracks, and felt that, I can take the task on my own to speak on his behave at my own plea or some organization told me to go and I took it to be the voice of GOD and I jumped into the Pit and start puffing smoke and making barking noises.

You have no idea about "Apologetics" or the Ethics of it. Of "Ghetto" ethics of communications let alone any kind of "THEOLOGICAL Patterns" of debate, or any kind of "Hermeneutics' but nothing but a host of force "Eisegesis' one selling unauthorized "wolf tickets' in "The Colosseum" of Bedrock, Tennessee. just south of "The Flintstone Capitol of Kentucky". you still laughing, Kemosabe? If not, I will laugh for you.

Note for your information: I mention a few Apostles just a while ago, here is a clip.

New International Version
The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

New Living Translation
As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

English Standard Version
And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.


The Bible says; "How dare you take my words in your mouth and proclaim them how dare you sinner


NASB 1977
But to the wicked God says, “What right have you to tell of My statutes, And to take My covenant in your mouth?

GOD'S WORD® Translation
But God says to wicked people, "How dare you quote my decrees and mouth my promises!

Good News Translation
But God says to the wicked, "Why should you recite my commandments? Why should you talk about my covenant?

International Standard Version
As for the wicked, God says, "How dare you recite my statutes or speak about my covenant with your lips!

But many think That our God is some Puppy dog that is so to be Patted on His Head. and cuddle under.

11God is a just judge,
And God is angry with the wicked every day.
12If he does not turn back,
He will sharpen His sword;
He bends His bow and makes it ready.
13He also prepares for Himself instruments of death;
He makes His arrows into fiery shafts.

Man' s churches, tell half Truths and they have Not the POWER To Tell "The WHOLE and The UNADULTERATED TRIUTH of THE ALMIGHTY GOD, Because "Men loves Darkness rather Than LIGHT"


"For we are save By Grace and not our selves it is a Gift and not earn, you cannot work for it, it is given and we all are guilty and there are none not one who is righteous" but Man's Church ing system will deceived you by design. That you may learn, "Child of GOD" that you cannot Trust No Body But "GOD" "he told us "To Come out from among them"

They cannot enter The real "Congregation" of GOD it is Impossible. even Hell cannot penetrate it, or any other person or creature can fellowship with us. and He told us to not to even eat with others, and that we have Nothing In Common with Others. and made no other covenant with others. we only make an Oath By The BLOOD of Jesus Christ. So do not be tricked Like Eve in The GARDEN. Do Not Sit With These People Do Not Eat With These Peoples In These Churches Do Not Let Your Sons And Daughter Marry Them, If You Go There, They Will Contamination You And Cause You Great Harm and sorrow Until The Day You Died. You will Marry Them and God Your Father Will punish you for it and For Being There In Their Presence he will punish you for marrying them. He will punish you for sitting down and eating and fellowshipping with these people. So come out from among them do not invite them in your houses, stay clear from these people, Trust your BIBLE's, Stay Away From Their Bibles Classes And "Come Out From Among Them"

By mixing with them you are being disobedient and entering in Covenant with them. The LORD your GOD will punish you, But the devil will say it is alright and the devil will explain to you why it is ok. You know he will. many people have talked to in person, They like, what the devil offer. And they like his company. GO head, stay there.
 
God raise up "Pharoah" and when Pharoah wanted to set The hebrews free God harden Pharaoh's his Heart so he would n't set the hebrews free, God Murdered and Killed Pharoah child, and All of the 1st. Born OF THE Egyptian's , THE children in all of "Egypt" God sent the death Angel to murder babies, and the Israelites when they cross the Jordan, God had them Murder and kill many cities of babies and wives and children and leave not one creature alive Kill everybody, Man woman and child, For the Lord Jesus Christ even Created The Demons and The Devil.

God Gave The Devil His Power And All The Demons Their Power And They Cannot Do Anything Unless They have Permission To Kill On Do Any harm Or Anything. It Has To Be Ordain By God Their Creator, Who is Jesus, the Son of GOD gave the devil the Power that the devil has and the devil and all of the demons still obey's Him who is their LORD even When He Walked the Earth. I am No Fool, I KNOW That "GOD IS SOVEREIGN"

"The Bible SAYS: "The Fool Says IN HIS heart There Is No God" You may claim that i am i fool by your arraignment of words. But The same God that created The Devil and all of The demons is the Same GOD that created the very Dirt that created The Dirt that establish The church and the document and The laws that it is written and establish upon and one day that same church that you are so blown up about MY [our] GOD will DESTROY it and Some of us will never know it every even existed it. and it will not even come to the mind of "The ALMIGHTY GOD"

I can read, and I know its history. You may have thought I couldn't, or was not Gifted in the Power of God to read the Biblical Text Of Holy Scripture and Able to divide The Word of Scripture by so Ordain By GOD and CHOSEN, I did not call him nor did I choose HIM, He Chose me to do just what I am doing, I did not choose Him or this occupation neither did I desirer too do so. So if I was you, I would slow my roll. I am not your junk yard dog, as if I have taken this initiative upon myself, just because I poured over a couple of tracks, and felt that, I can take the task on my own to speak on his behave at my own plea or some organization told me to go and I took it to be the voice of GOD and I jumped into the Pit and start puffing smoke and making barking noises.

You have no idea about "Apologetics" or the Ethics of it. Of "Ghetto" ethics of communications let alone any kind of "THEOLOGICAL Patterns" of debate, or any kind of "Hermeneutics' but nothing but a host of force "Eisegesis' one selling unauthorized "wolf tickets' in "The Colosseum" of Bedrock, Tennessee. just south of "The Flintstone Capitol of Kentucky". you still laughing, Kemosabe? If not, I will laugh for you.

Note for your information: I mention a few Apostles just a while ago, here is a clip.

New International Version
The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

New Living Translation
As a result, other Jewish believers followed Peter’s hypocrisy, and even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.

English Standard Version
And the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy.


The Bible says; "How dare you take my words in your mouth and proclaim them how dare you sinner


NASB 1977
But to the wicked God says, “What right have you to tell of My statutes, And to take My covenant in your mouth?

GOD'S WORD® Translation
But God says to wicked people, "How dare you quote my decrees and mouth my promises!

Good News Translation
But God says to the wicked, "Why should you recite my commandments? Why should you talk about my covenant?

International Standard Version
As for the wicked, God says, "How dare you recite my statutes or speak about my covenant with your lips!

But many think That our God is some Puppy dog that is so to be Patted on His Head. and cuddle under.

11God is a just judge,
And God is angry with the wicked every day.
12If he does not turn back,
He will sharpen His sword;
He bends His bow and makes it ready.
13He also prepares for Himself instruments of death;
He makes His arrows into fiery shafts.

Man' s churches, tell half Truths and they have Not the POWER To Tell "The WHOLE and The UNADULTERATED TRIUTH of THE ALMIGHTY GOD, Because "Men loves Darkness rather Than LIGHT"


"For we are save By Grace and not our selves it is a Gift and not earn, you cannot work for it, it is given and we all are guilty and there are none not one who is righteous" but Man's Church ing system will deceived you by design. That you may learn, "Child of GOD" that you cannot Trust No Body But "GOD" "he told us "To Come out from among them"

They cannot enter The real "Congregation" of GOD it is Impossible. even Hell cannot penetrate it, or any other person or creature can fellowship with us. and He told us to not to even eat with others, and that we have Nothing In Common with Others. and made no other covenant with others. we only make an Oath By The BLOOD of Jesus Christ. So do not be tricked Like Eve in The GARDEN. Do Not Sit With These People Do Not Eat With These Peoples In These Churches Do Not Let Your Sons And Daughter Marry Them, If You Go There, They Will Contamination You And Cause You Great Harm and sorrow Until The Day You Died. You will Marry Them and God Your Father Will punish you for it and For Being There In Their Presence he will punish you for marrying them. He will punish you for sitting down and eating and fellowshipping with these people. So come out from among them do not invite them in your houses, stay clear from these people, Trust your BIBLE's, Stay Away From Their Bibles Classes And "Come Out From Among Them"

By mixing with them you are being disobedient and entering in Covenant with them. The LORD your GOD will punish you, But the devil will say it is alright and the devil will explain to you why it is ok. You know he will. many people have talked to in person, They like, what the devil offer. And they like his company. GO head, stay there.
Friend, to not know me and to know little or nothing about me, you certainly make a lot of claims about me,….about what I know, and what I believe.
You quoted me and left a lengthy response. That’s fine. I respect your wisdom, life experiences, and beliefs. But I simply responded with the statement that I didn’t want to argue, because my beliefs on the matter differ based on what I know of scripture, the apostles, and the early church.
You apparently took something I wrote personally and decided to “call me out” for “not knowing apologetics” and for lack of understanding, etc. Nothing I posted was a personal attack against you or your knowledge and biblical understanding. If I offended in any way forgive me.
 
Friend, to not know me and to know little or nothing about me, you certainly make a lot of claims about me,….about what I know, and what I believe.
You quoted me and left a lengthy response. That’s fine. I respect your wisdom, life experiences, and beliefs. But I simply responded with the statement that I didn’t want to argue, because my beliefs on the matter differ based on what I know of scripture, the apostles, and the early church.
You apparently took something I wrote personally and decided to “call me out” for “not knowing apologetics” and for lack of understanding, etc. Nothing I posted was a personal attack against you or your knowledge and biblical understanding. If I offended in any way forgive me.
Well spoken, and I am not offended, There is nothing wrong with "Sparring", matter of fact it is healthy, for both. and I did like the way you ended post number 107, with the tears of :joy: So I kinda push it, a little more, But feel free to push it a little when you feel like it, Some times pain brings the best of us out, even crushing the ROSE brings fragrance and squeezing of the grapes bring's wine. and The clashing of Iron among friends. Just do not let the sun go do on angry.

And you are smart too!:sob:
 
I think we must be talking past one another or in circles. I am absolutely not against having church in buildings as I attend church in a very big building built for that very purpose.
It was your repeated post which emphatically pointed out that the Greek word translated as "church" does not refer to a "building" which led me to believe that you were opposed to the concept of churches meeting in their established structures. I don't know many mature Christians who'd disagree with you on the point that "church" doesn't mean "the building." So why post the obvious?
Sorry if I misinterpreted. I meant no offense.
None taken. The Lord himself was a tekton, which is better translated as builder or craftsman rather than carpenter. A building itself is neutral, it’s just where the church gather and worship. I think the sentiment can be traced to the teaching that God doesn’t dwell in any man made temple ever since Yeshua was crucified, but in the heart of every believer born of the Holy Spirit, our physical body is the new temple for God.
 
our physical body is the new temple for God.
Yes God does indeed dwell in the bodies of Spirit-filled disciples.
But the body of Christ is commanded to come together in order to celebrate holy communion and to bring a psalm and a hymn, to bring a teaching, to operate the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit.
And how can you baptize converts without a public witness?
And how can babes in Christ grow and develop without support and care from those more experienced in walking in the Spirit.
Christians must come together and fellowship so that the body of Christ can grow and mature and protect the weak.
God shows us in His creation how the herds of grazing animals group together to fend off the stalking predators that look for stragglers and the weak members of the herd.
Do not be deceived - those that isolate themselves from the body do not have the love of the brethren in them.

1Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
9 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.
 
Yes God does indeed dwell in the bodies of Spirit-filled disciples.
But the body of Christ is commanded to come together in order to celebrate holy communion and to bring a psalm and a hymn, to bring a teaching, to operate the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit.
And how can you baptize converts without a public witness?
And how can babes in Christ grow and develop without support and care from those more experienced in walking in the Spirit.
Christians must come together and fellowship so that the body of Christ can grow and mature and protect the weak.
God shows us in His creation how the herds of grazing animals group together to fend off the stalking predators that look for stragglers and the weak members of the herd.
Do not be deceived - those that isolate themselves from the body do not have the love of the brethren in them.

1Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
9 Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world.
You know, if the church is the body, of which Christ is the head (brain), then the clergy is the nervous system, and we the congregation is all kinds of differentiated tissues. Among these tissues, an active, faithful believers are like musculoskeletal tissue, complacent carnal Laodiceans are like fat and dead tissues, and an apostate is like cancer. Today nearly a third of US adults are overweight, and the other two thirds may be TOFI - thin outside fat inside, referring to visceral fat on the organs, which is more deadly than subcutaneous fat. This physical state is a reflection of the spiritual state. "Use it or lose it" is a pricinple of spiritual gift, without spiritual exercise, there's a atrophy of the muscle, the fat has overgrown, and now I'm afraid the cancer has metastasized. When you see a drag queen on the alter at the pulpit, that's a rock hard tumor.
 
When you see a drag queen on the alter at the pulpit, that's a rock hard tumor.
The thing is though - there are faiths and congregations where none of this worldliness and abominations occurs.
Find thee a good Bible "church" - a body of Spirit-filled believers.
My Pentecostal church preaches how to get saved and also how to stay saved straight out of the Bible.
Those who have a problem with righteousness leave and go elsewhere. Most usually to a happy clappy congregation with women pastors.

 
Yes, my pastor "sups" with the homeless. In fact we have a bus ministry that picks them up and brings them to church where they sit freely among the congregation and eat and fellowship with us. Yes, my pastor routinely visits the sick and elderly and he lays hands on them and prays for them. Yes, my pastor makes it a point to know everyone who attends church.....even guests and he routinely stays after services for hours on end talking to anyone who needs to speak to him. Yes, he is at the church at least 5-6 days per week, 8 hours a day and has an open-door policy for anyone who would come. Yes my pastor preaches and teaches from the word of God and stands on it's truth. Yes, my pastor gives his personal phone # out to anyone who asks him for it. Yes, he is transparent and open about all church business including his own finances. Yes, he gives money out of his own pocket to help people....too many to count. Yes, he gives of his own money to tithes and offerings. No he is not perfect by any means......but he IS genuine. He has a genuine calling on His life from God. He has a genuine love for the Lord and for ALL of God's people. He admits his shortcomings and he at least seeks God's will daily in his personal life as well as in his role as shepherd of the church. We have a church with around 700-800 regular attendees and we are very blessed to be a loving congregation that preaches truth, welcomes everyone, and has a pastor who does his very best to keep God at the forefront of everything we do. Does that answer your questions?

Not all modern day churches and pastors fit into your negative mold of carnality and corruption. Sorry. Perhaps instead of giving up on God's plan for HIS church, you should just keep seeking with less bitterness in your heart.
Considering yourself very bless cause Like I said I haven't encumbered one of them in ova 20 yrs
 
For those who remain in delusion that the body of Christ consists of one member.
That is both unscriptural and unChristian.
You cannot serve your brothers and sisters by isolating yourself from them.
You cannot pray for others or lay hands on them if you are strangers.
 
Considering yourself very bless cause Like I said I haven't encumbered one of them in ova 20 yrs
I'm sure @vhusley is very blessed in the fellowship of the church and the pastoral care they receive.

In my experience (south London, UK and lots of travel) that's in the normal range of ministries for a pastor. I can think of several within walking distance of my home.

Even if there was no church fellowship with a ministry to people in poverty, I'd still join. And then seek to initiate something from within the congregation. Reason is, it's not sustainable for a person to minister to people with multiple and complex problems alone. It needs the support and burden-sharing of the church.
 
For those who remain in delusion that the body of Christ consists of one member.
That is both unscriptural and unChristian.
You cannot serve your brothers and sisters by isolating yourself from them.
You cannot pray for others or lay hands on them if you are strangers.
We should not even Speak His Words unless it is laid upon us to do so

So many just throw The Word around to suit themselves

I isolate from the world I don't go out until I am called to do so

I am in the world I am not of the world I spend most my days actually pondering with YH for my Spirit is very sorrowful

I am too sick to walk all ova most times I'm too immobile to even get food yet YH will provide me ways to do what needs to be done for the household n to prepare for my upcoming surgery n too go visit the elderly n others to just sit and just talk together about the Word unlike going to hear others speak at me

Neither husband nor I drive nor do we beg for money to go help others or for Speaking about the Word of YH

But this is me

Twistie :broken_heart:
 
I'm sure @vhusley is very blessed in the fellowship of the church and the pastoral care they receive.

In my experience (south London, UK and lots of travel) that's in the normal range of ministries for a pastor. I can think of several within walking distance of my home.

Even if there was no church fellowship with a ministry to people in poverty, I'd still join. And then seek to initiate something from within the congregation. Reason is, it's not sustainable for a person to minister to people with multiple and complex problems alone. It needs the support and burden-sharing of the church.
This is why when a congregation gets too big it should branch off there's only so many people a person can truly know n have the time to spend with them

If that was done perhaps it may come this way who knows frfr.

Twistie :broken_heart:
 
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