Why does God send people to hell?

[Marston]

Don't try to play word games.

Citing scripture is playing "word games"?

 

[MedicBravo]

Well... that's why I used the word "works" - it was a clear statement that what one does with his life on earth will impact directly on salvation.


Then read again what had been posted:


This "bonus allowance" is needed for salvation, and it comes from "following His advice." That's a works-based salvation statement.

But of course you could never admit that you were wrong, eh?

Rhema

Rhema, he's explaining it in a way others can understand. Many cannot "get it" even when put the most common way.

I believe ALL who ever existed will, eventually, be in God's Kingdom, even Hitler.

@Marston. You can believe it all you want but Universalism isn't in the Bible.
Any verses even remotely suggesting it are taken out of context.
Other verses referencing Hell prove it isn't a thing.

 

[MedicBravo]

Citing scripture is playing "word games"?

Depends if in-context or not.

 

[Marston]

...but Universalism isn't in the Bible.

You're very much mistaken.

 

[Marston]

Depends if in-context or not.

I'm new here and my initial impression is that you believe that you have an infallible understanding of all things. I sense that you wish to persuade others but are unwilling to be persuaded yourself.

 

[KingJ]

I believe ALL who ever existed will, eventually, be in God's Kingdom, even Hitler.

This is the default belief of a good person.

God is good but He / scripture does not agree with that. As such, it is very important for all who disagree with you, to properly explain why God who is defined as good Psalm 136:1, just Job 34:12 and righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17 does not do what a good person would do.

I believe the answer is in Jer 17:9-12 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? “I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve.

This verse states clearly that only God can judge the depths of a person's heart and mind. As such, if He says any will be cast into eternal punishment it is surely only after He has concluded that said individual would never be able to be truly rehabilitated.

We see snippets of this truth throughout scripture. Gen 15:16, sin of Amorites not 'yet' full measure. Pharoah, heart hardened Exo 10. Devil sinning since beginning 1 John 3:8, in Revelations too after every plague that hits mankind, it says they 'repented not'. God is giving more than ample evidence to us of this time on earth being an effective filtering process.

John 3:19 is also a key verse - This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

In order to teach and believe that God remains 'good' in the future if eternal punishment is a reality, one needs to believe that hell is a home and that it will not be torture 24/7. I believe this and explain it in the OP here - What to expect in hell.

Both your belief and mine pass at discerning God to be 10/10 good, just and righteous. Those who believe in annihilationism are at around a 5/10, those who teach eternal torture akin to being placed in a brazen bull 0/10.

 

[MedicBravo]

This is the default belief of a good person.

Untrue. In fact, Romans 3:10-12
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11  there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
Humans don't decide what is good, God does. Universalism is not Biblical. If Granma spent most her life being mean and rejected God then her punishment is just and due by God. Being "old" isn't protection from sin or disobedience.

Universalism is a moronic plague that will be wiped out.

 

[Brad Huber]

Well... that's why I used the word "works" - it was a clear statement that what one does with his life on earth will impact directly on salvation.


Then read again what had been posted:


This "bonus allowance" is needed for salvation, and it comes from "following His advice." That's a works-based salvation statement.

But of course you could never admit that you were wrong, eh?

Rhema

You do love to assume something bad in others words, sort of goes with nitpicking. The pearl of great price is a part of a "scriptual" parable. And as for works salvation, no, it only implies that in your mind not mine. Faith without works is dead. Satan has what we would consider faith in who Jesus is. Do you think Satan is going to heaven also?

 

[KingJ]

Untrue. In fact, Romans 3:10-12
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11  there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
Humans don't decide what is good, God does. Universalism is not Biblical. If Granma spent most her life being mean and rejected God then her punishment is just and due by God. Being "old" isn't protection from sin or disobedience.

Universalism is a moronic plague that will be wiped out.

You are missing the point made and I doubt you read my post.

Let's say you were a judge, would you give all criminals the death penalty or try and rehabilitate them?

 

[MedicBravo]

You are missing the point made and I doubt you read my post.

Let's say you were a judge, would you give all criminals the death penalty or try and rehabilitate them?

Another assumption.
I'm not the Judge b/c like everyone else, I am a flawed, biased finite human being.
Abandon that way of thinking.

 

[Rhema]

Rhema, he's explaining it in a way others can understand. Many cannot "get it" even when put the most common way.

Sorry MB, it wasn't just some "different way" to explain Faith Alone, but rather it was a direct statement that what one does here on Earth (one's WORKS) directly impacts whether one gets saved or not. It literally was an explanation of Works Salvation. If @Brad Huber didn't mean it that way, then he needs to either rephrase or explain (or repeat tenth grade English).

I am a flawed, biased finite human being.

(Well you're trying to get that fixed, right?)

Blessings,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Let's say you were a judge, would you give all criminals the death penalty or try and rehabilitate them?

For the wages of sin is death; ​

(Romans 6:23 KJV)

Sometimes I wonder if you ever read the Bible.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

as for works salvation, no, it only implies that in your mind not mine.

Ask any tenth grade English student. (Seriously...)

Satan has what we would consider faith in who Jesus is. Do you think Satan is going to heaven also?

I gotta admit, that is in the top three most bizarre things I have ever read on any Christian forum.

NO. Satan has NO faith in Jesus towards salvation. And if that's what you consider faith, (deleted).... Christianity is in more trouble than I suspect.

You have a good day,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

You're very much mistaken.

This might be an interesting new thread.

Are you up for an in-depth discussion?

And would you like me to start the thread for you?

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Marston]

This might be an interesting new thread.

Are you up for an in-depth discussion?

And would you like me to start the thread for you?

Kindly,
Rhema

Sure.

 

[Brad Huber]

Ask any tenth grade English student. (Seriously...)


I gotta admit, that is in the top three most bizarre things I have ever read on any Christian forum.

NO. Satan has NO faith in Jesus towards salvation. And if that's what you consider faith, HOLY CRAP.... Christianity is in more trouble than I suspect.

You have a good day,
Rhema

Just like satan himself, loving to twist words and present them as what the person said. You must be a part time politician.

 

[KingJ]

Another assumption.
I'm not the Judge b/c like everyone else, I am a flawed, biased finite human being.
Abandon that way of thinking.

Medic, you are again missing the point.

A Christian is most effective at teaching scripture to the lost when they can rationalise it for them.

 

[KingJ]

For the wages of sin is death; ​

(Romans 6:23 KJV)

Sometimes I wonder if you ever read the Bible.

Rhema

Please re-read, you are missing the point.

 

[Garee]

This is the default belief of a good person.

God is good but He / scripture does not agree with that. As such, it is very important for all who disagree with you, to properly explain why God who is defined as good Psalm 136:1, just Job 34:12 and righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17 does not do what a good person would do.

I believe the answer is in Jer 17:9-12 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? “I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve.

This verse states clearly that only God can judge the depths of a person's heart and mind. As such, if He says any will be cast into eternal punishment it is surely only after He has concluded that said individual would never be able to be truly rehabilitated.

We see snippets of this truth throughout scripture. Gen 15:16, sin of Amorites not 'yet' full measure. Pharoah, heart hardened Exo 10. Devil sinning since beginning 1 John 3:8, in Revelations too after every plague that hits mankind, it says they 'repented not'. God is giving more than ample evidence to us of this time on earth being an effective filtering process.

John 3:19 is also a key verse - This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

In order to teach and believe that God remains 'good' in the future if eternal punishment is a reality, one needs to believe that hell is a home and that it will not be torture 24/7. I believe this and explain it in the OP here - What to expect in hell.

Both your belief and mine pass at discerning God to be 10/10 good, just and righteous. Those who believe in annihilationism are at around a 5/10, those who teach eternal torture akin to being placed in a brazen bull 0/10.

Those who teacheternal torture, limbo/ purgatory. It is needed to deceive mankind to believe dead bodies to not return to dust and the temporal spirit does not return the the Father of all spirit life who gave it .

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Dead is dead .The end means. . that's all folks. The Omega is not the Alpha

I would think using a unprovable spiritual unseen law of the fathers, dying mankind. Limbo for younger sinners, purgatory for the more mature sinner

Creating a lying signs to wonder, wonder, marvel after forever and ever..

False prohecy (limbo purgatory) as a oral tradition of dying mankind the wondering work of the father of lies.... he has zero spiritual understanding he hates all flesh

The voice of Satan . . .wonder, wonder, wonder. . .doubt, doubt, doubt, doubt . . .Accuse, accuse, accuse . . .day and night, day and night, day and night

Believers have prohecy till the end of time .no need to wonder, marvel, doubt.

 

[th1bill]

Do you choose to sin, before you commit a sin?

Absolutely.