Baptism - Here we go again

[Rhema]

Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000).
BDAG A Greek-English lexicon

I thought you didn't have one.

BDAG: (where baptism by pouring is allowed in cases of necessity);

Do they provide source material for this conclusion

Thanks....
Rhema

IF you are referring water emersion do you realize you are saying our @Brother-Paul is not saved.

I'll bring the hose.

 

[Reba1]

I thought you didn't have one.

Do they provide source material for this conclusion

Thanks....
Rhema


I'll bring the hose.

Why so rude and just plain ugly calling people hosers .

 

[Brother-Paul]

7 is a complete number brother

Sound good, but forget the hoses, breaking bread together that's the way to do it.

Shalom

 

[Rhema]

Greetings brother, interestiung,

I have just looked at the word used in the stated verse it is Baptisma - Not Baptizo

Brother-Paul,

It would seem you've run into the classic (not classical) Greek Verb / Noun pair. The exact same concept, the exact same word even, but appearing with both verb and noun endings.

Believe / Belief : Pist-euo (G4100, πιστεύω) / Pist-is (G4102, πίστις), is perhaps the best NT example of the Greek verb-noun pair.

I will admit that it's been awhile since I've used the BDAG, but I'm surprised that they didn't cross reference verb / noun pairs.

Thank you,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Then Why did Jesus Christ need to die on the cross IF baptism is what saves a person.

GO WITH THAT... Don't forget that question. It's very important. (Baptism meaning repentance, of course...)

God bless,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

For God’s plan to be perfectly fulfilled, it was necessary for Jesus to be baptised, and for him to be baptised specifically by John who had come to prepare the way for him.

Why? Why necessary? Everyone says that, but they never say why.

I'm always curious that the "why" is never answered.

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The above is your post , when read in the context of the other verses you posted ,clearly implying Luke 7:30 is speaking of the Baptism of the Father Son and Holy Ghost. When it is speaking of John's baptism.

I didn't see it that way.

Was the Baptism of John NOT the will of God?

Thank God that we have a better baptism, one of both water and breath (spirit).

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Why so rude and just plain ugly calling people hosers .

( It's called humor, and NO, it's not rude and ugly, Ms. Persimmon. But your condemnation is. )

 

[Reba1]

( It's called humor, and NO, it's not rude and ugly, Ms. Persimmon. But your condemnation is. )

We all have opinions .

 

[Rhema]

We all have opinions .

(Which you cannot help but express...)
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[Waggles]

Matthew 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him.
14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”
15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented.
16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;
17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

This is still happening today by those who believe the word of God rather than wrestle with scripture in order to preach another gospel.

 

[Br. Bear]

Why? Why necessary? Everyone says that, but they never say why.

I'm always curious that the "why" is never answered.

Thanks,
Rhema

respondens autem Iesus dixit ei sine modo sic enim decet nos implere omnem iustitiam tunc dimisit eum

 

[Brother-Paul]

Why? Why necessary? Everyone says that, but they never say why.

I'm always curious that the "why" is never answered.

Thanks,
Rhema

Why, that is the question, a good question I think.

WHY did Jesus have to be baptised? It was to 'fulfil' all righteousness. Why was it 'fitting' for Jesus to be baptised by John? It was to 'fulfill' all 'righteousness,

On the surface we see Jesus being baptised by John, we wonder why because Jesus was God in the flesh, he was without sin, he had no reason to seek forgiveness, he was the lamb of God without blemish. Even John questioned why he should need baptise Jesus.

We see baptism as a Gentile ritual, a Christian ritual, for forgiveness and washing away of past sins, but it's roots go much deeper.

John, the forerunner for Christ, the last prophet, was as we read the “voice crying in the wilderness” which was as prophesied by Isaiah. John was calling the people, the Jews, to repentance in preparation for their Messiah, Isaiah 40:3. John's baptism therefore was to provide an occasion for 'the Jewish people' to confess their sins and repent and get right with God.

Through Jesus a change was taking place for the Jews, Matthew 3:9 states, “And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.” It is saying, there is no salvation and no security in claiming your lineage from Abraham. Jesus is the promised Messiah, John, baptised with water, he goes on to say, Jesus will baptise you, Matthew 3:11, “with the Holy Spirit and fire”.

The OT Linage, John was of the tribe of Levi, a direct descendant of Aaron. Luke tells us both of John’s parents were of the Aaronic priestly line Luke 1:5. One of the duties of the priests in the OT was to present the sacrifices before the Lord. John the Baptist’s, baptism of Jesus, could be seen as a priestly presentation of the Ultimate Sacrifice. John’s words the day after the baptism show the fruits of priestly line message: “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29.

A key verse to the Why question has to be Matthew 3:15, Jesus says, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness” Let is be so now... 'It is fitting'. What is fitting? Fulfilling all righteousness is fitting. Jesus life was the fulfillment of all righteousness. The fact that Jesus had no sins to repent of shows that the righteousness he wanted to fulfill was the righteousness required not of himself, but of every sinful man, Jew and Gentile.

When we are born anew, made new creation, born again from above, washed and spiritually regenerated, we are made righteous, from that second, we are to practice righteousness, as God, by the power of his Holy Spirit, moulds us ready for eternity with him. (Some say mild they mean the same)

My understanding, you may put it another way brother.

 

[Waggles]

Acts 19:3 And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.”
4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

The Baptism of Transformation:

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.​

(Romans 12:1-2 KJV)​

What renews our mind if not the Holy Spirit?

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.​

(John 14:26 KJV)​

And how does one receive the Holy Spirit with a baptism thereof?

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:​

(Matthew 3:11 KJV)​

I've found one of the foundational errors in all religions, especially that of Islam and Judaism, is that one is supposed to transform one's mind by human will power.

Don't work.

Thank you for explaining what you mean by that term you have used.

A concordance is neither a dictionary nor a lexicon.

yes, sorry, my bad, thank you for the correction.

If you were early Church folk, you would have been asking your Bishops about things that you didn't understand.

Especially if they were handy to catch up with and had the time to go through all the Latin and Greek.. and Hebrew and all that, I suppose? [which i thought would have been obvious from the reference to which i wrote what i did write?

And as early Church folk, (if you could read), the epistles and gospel texts were in your common language. Just think if the New Testament was written in English? There would be no translation bias.

i suppose if you could read, you could pop down to the local bookstore and buy a hardcopy, so long as the persecutors didn't catch you with it? I think you understand me? I could be wrong... i was once before.

Indeed, by the late 300's, Latin was the lingua franca of the world (as English is today), while Greek had become parochial (i.e. provincial). That's why the Pope had Jerome publish the Vulgate, so that everybody could read the Bible in the common language (Vulgate meaning "common"). During the dark ages as language fractured, the Church then froze the scriptures in Latin so that its meaning would not morph. Did Jerome do a good job? I'd refer you back to the initial Greek texts.

That was kind and thoughtful of the Pope and the Church.

Why do you believe I was casting aspersions on his character? I was not, and did not.

May i ask, why do you believe that is what i believe(d)?
I think you will find that i was making a point regarding my Brother being good solely upon the grace of God by His work, and if, for any reason, Brother-Paul @Brother-Paul might have felt, in anyway, not good enough, based upon what 'tools' he had [or, for that matter, anyone else reading it] , it was an encouragement for one of the flock...

My Brother Paul is as good as the Lord Himself has made him and no amount of scholarly reading could have got him so good!

Schöne Grüße,

Danke aber warum die deutsche?

(Don't say it unless you mean it.)

Thank you


Segen für Sie { יברך אותך } ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Thankyou for your opinions on the matter - but your opinions are not in accord with scripture.

Would you mind please letting me know which opinions you are referring to?

As for me I believed the full gospel of salvation and then underwent water baptism by full immersion confessing my faith before others.
After seeking to receive the Holy Spirit I was indeed baptized in the Holy Spirit with the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues.
I immediately received my first miracles and healings that very afternoon and continue to walk on in the Spirit with these signs listed by Jesus following me.
Gifts of discerning, knowledge, faith, healings and miracles I enjoy abundantly.
My Pentecostal faith, doctrine and walk lines up completely in full accord with Acts and the epistles to the Spirit-filled church.

I am familiar with what you share as your experience.

Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?

I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

Galatians 3:5 Galatians 3:2

perhaps we should ask, what is baptism?

Thank you for your reply,


Bless you ....><>

Jesus is Lord

 

[Reba1]

There are some folks posting here who believe they and others are saved by baptism., or said another way baptism is necessary for salvation. If that is the case death bed conversions are not ,in their eyes/heart valid. The solder dyeing on the battle field dont bother to share Christ with him , The son praying his mother who is bed ridden to accept the Lord is praying in vain repetition . Some here just dont seem to understand there are places in this world that dont have enough water to immerse a person . There are folks who for many reasons, God is fully aware of, can not get baptized. The calling they feel must not be of Him.

When we choose to hold tight to the literal Word we cherry pick which passages to hold too.. EXAMPLE any one here ware shoes the Scripture clearly tell us to ware sandals ....Mar 6:9 But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats. Then comes the excuse that was not written to us today . Go ahead guys and expect this of your wife and daughters 1Ti_2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. Any one bothering to read this own anything? Luk_18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. Never mind that passage is not written for us today .

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[Butch5]

Can't agree there. Actually, it was a good thing.

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of FIRE, and it sat upon each of them.​

(Acts 2:3 KJV)​

I'd caution against using modern day English aphorisms. Our phrase "baptized by fire" is a modern perversion to hide scriptural truths. It had no existence at all in first century.

I don't think your interpretation here fits the context. Firstly, this passage says It was "like" fire. It doesn't say it was fire. Secondly, this seems to me to be more of a baptism with the Holy Spirit than fire. It also appears to me that you are implying that baptism with the Holy Sprit and with fire is one baptism. In other words, they are two parts of a single baptism. I would submit that they are not, but rather that they are two different baptisms and that a baptism with fire is not good. I think the context of the passage bears this out.

Who was John addressing?

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? (Matt. 3:7 KJV)

He was speaking to the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Then he said,

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. (Matt. 3:11-12 KJV)

John said Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit and fire.


Then John says his fan is in His hand and He will purge HIs floor. He will gather the wheat into the barn and the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.

Holy Spirit Fire
wheat chaff
barn unquenchable fire

It seems we've seen this unquenchable fire mentioned elsewhere. Jesus mentioned it speaking of Gehenna.

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (Mk. 9:43 KJV)

Here Jesus speaks of Gehenna where the fire is not quenched. He's referring to Isaiah 66.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. (Isa. 66:23-1:1 KJV)

We can see from what Jesus alluded to that this place called Gehenna (also known as Tophet and the valley of Hinnom) is where those who transgressed against God will be burned up and that this place is a place where the fire is not quenched. This is the also known as the Lake of Fire, where John tells us that those not found in the Book of Life, those who transgressed against God, will be cast. They're baptized (immersed) in fire

Where is "water" actually written? (Might you post that command again?)a

The apostles were told to make disciples and baptize. Since man can't baptize with the Holy Spirit or fire, that only leaves water.

Not according to John the Baptist. (Was he wrong?)

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and fire:​

(Matthew 3:11 KJV)​

Thanks,
Rhema

No, he wasn't wrong. However, let's consider what Jesus said,

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. (Jn. 14:10 KJV)

Jesus said He doesn't have the power.

17 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working."
18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
20 "For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.
21 "For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.
22 "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 "that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
25 "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
26 "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
27 "and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.
28 "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 "and come forth-- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. (Jn. 5:17-30 NKJ)

Both times Jesus said He didn't have the power to do these things. So, ultimately it is the Father who is doing the works, thus it is the Father who is baptizing with the Spirit. It is done through the Son by the Father.

 

[Butch5]

There are some folks posting here who believe they and others are saved by baptism., or said another way baptism is necessary for salvation. If that is the case death bed conversions are not ,in their eyes/heart valid. The solder dyeing on the battle field dont bother to share Christ with him , The son praying his mother who is bed ridden to accept the Lord is praying in vain repetition . Some here just dont seem to understand there are places in this world that dont have enough water to immerse a person . There are folks who for many reasons, God is fully aware of, can not get baptized. The calling they feel must not be of Him.

When we choose to hold tight to the literal Word we cherry pick which passages to hold too.. EXAMPLE any one here ware shoes the Scripture clearly tell us to ware sandals ....Mar 6:9 But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats. Then comes the excuse that was not written to us today . Go ahead guys and expect this of your wife and daughters 1Ti_2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. Any one bothering to read this own anything? Luk_18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. Never mind that passage is not written for us today .

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

But Reba,

You're doing the same thing you accuse others of. You're picking and choosing. You're choosing not to accept the passages that show the requirement of baptism.

Firstly, concerning your statement about deathbed confessions, what about the one who was leaning towards belief but died just before making the decision? You're argument puts God in a box. God can save anyone He wants to save. If He wants to save someone who doesn't believe, He can. There's a difference between what God can and/or does/do and what we are "told" to do. We are told to be baptized. The promise of God is, to believe and be baptized. God has obligated Himself to save the one who believes and is baptized. That doesn't mean that someone who isn't can't be saved. It simply "assures" the one who does believe and is baptized that he/she will be saved. So, if one wants to make sure he/she will be saved he/she needs to believe and be baptized. If not he/she has to hope for the best.

 

[Brother-Paul]

I return to these details from the BDAG Lexicon and include more.....

BAPTISE

βαπτίζω—In Gk. lit. gener. G907 in a general sense, see 3 options below
to put or go under water in a variety of senses, also fig., e.g. ‘soak’ Pla., Symp. 176b in wine) in our lit. only in ritual or ceremonial sense

① wash ceremonially for purpose of purification, wash, purify, of a broad range of repeated ritual washing rooted in Israelite tradition (cp. Just., D. 46, 2)

Cleaning Rituals, Ceremonial washing

Mk 7:4; 4
And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.

Luke 11:38; 38
And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.

The Law of Purification in
Mark 7:1–23:


② to use water in a rite for purpose of renewing or establishing a relationship w. God, plunge, dip, wash, baptize.
The transliteration ‘baptize’ signifies the ceremonial character that NT narratives accord such cleansing, but the need of qualifying statements or contextual coloring in the documents indicates that the term β. was not nearly so technical as the transliteration suggests.


ⓐ of dedicatory cleansing associated w. the ministry of John the Baptist

baptism in the name of Jesus, who was no longer the ‘coming one’, but the arrived ‘Lord’)?


ⓑ of cleansing performed by Jesus John 3:22, John 3:26; John 4:1; difft. John 4:2 with disclaimer of baptismal activity by Jesus personally.


ⓒ of the Christian sacrament of initiation after Jesus’ death
(freq. pass.; s. above 2a; Iren. 3, 12, 9 [Harv. II 63, 3]) Mark 16:16; Acts 2:41; Acts 8:12f, Acts 8:36, Acts 8:38; Acts 9:18; Acts 10:47; Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33; Acts 18:8; Acts 22:16; 1 Cor 1:14–17; D 7
(where baptism by pouring is allowed in cases of necessity);

③ to cause someone to have an extraordinary experience akin to an initiatory water-rite, to plunge, baptize.
Cp. ‘take the plunge’ and s. OED ‘Plunge’ II
ⓐ typologically of Israel’s passage through the Red Sea εἰς τὸν Μωϋσῆν ἐβαπτίσαντο they got themselves plunged/ baptized for Moses, thereby affirming his leadership 1 Cor 10:2 v.l. (if the pass. ἐβαπτίσθησαν is to be read with N. the point remains the same; but the mid. form puts the onus, as indicated by the context, on the Israelites).


Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000).
BDAG A Greek-English lexicon


>>> The above statement in orange does not include additional information, strange to add a statement and not follow it through.

In most lexicons I have checked and the Strong's dictionary it is interesting that although immersion, fully wet is in each so often also is to wash.



Below is another Lexicon I have which I find provides a very detailed explanation regarding the usage of the word Baptize, baptizo


Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament.

βαπτίζω (baptizō), VB. baptize. fut.act. βαπτίξω; aor.act. ἐβάπτισα; aor.pass. ἐβαπτίσθη. Hebrew equivalent: טבל (1). LTW βαπτίζω (Baptism).


Verb Usage

1. to be baptized (state) — to be or become momentarily immersed in water as a cleansing, ceremonial, and initiatory rite. Related Topics: Baptism; Ablution; Sacraments.

Mk 1:5 καὶ ἐβαto baptizeπτίζοντο ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ ἐν τῷ Ἰορδάνῃ ποταμῷ ἐξομολογούμενοι τὰς
Lk 3:12 ἦλθον δὲ καὶ τελῶναι βαπτισθῆναι
Ac 19:3 Εἰς τί οὖν ἐβαπτίσθητε;
1 Co 1:13 ἢ εἰς τὸ ὄνομα Παύλου ἐβαπτίσθητε;
1 Co 15:29 Ἐπεὶ τί ποιήσουσιν οἱ βαπτιζόμενοι ὑπὲρ τῶν νεκρῶν;

2. to baptize — to momentarily dip someone into water as a cleansing, ceremonial, and initiatory rite. Related Topics: Baptism; Ablution; Sacraments.

Mk 1:4 βαπτίζων ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ
Jn 1:25 Τί οὖν βαπτίζεις εἰ σὺ οὐκ εἶ ὁ χριστὸς οὐδὲ
Jn 3:22 καὶ ἐβάπτιζεν.
Ac 19:4 Ἰωάννης ἐβάπτισεν βάπτισμα μετανοίας, τῷ λαῷ λέγων εἰς τὸν ἐρχόμενον
1 Co 1:14 οὐδένα ὑμῶν ἐβάπτισα

3. to immerse — to cause to be engulfed or plunged into something (whether literal or figurative). Related Topic: Immersion.

Mk 1:8 ἐγὼ ἐβάπτισα ὑμᾶς ὕδατι,
Lk 3:16 αὐτὸς ὑμᾶς βαπτίσει ἐν πνεύματι ἁγίῳ καὶ πυρί·
Jn 1:26 Ἐγὼ βαπτίζω ἐν ὕδατι·
Jn 1:31 ἐν ὕδατι βαπτίζων.
Ac 1:5 Ἰωάννης μὲν ἐβάπτισεν ὕδατι,

4. to be baptized — to be momentarily immersed in water as a cleansing, ceremonial, and initiatory rite. Related Topics: Baptism; Ablution; Sacraments.

Lk 3:7 Ἔλεγεν οὖν τοῖς ἐκπορευομένοις ὄχλοις βαπτισθῆναι ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ· Γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν,
Lk 7:30 μὴ βαπτισθέντες ὑπʼ αὐτοῦ.)
Ac 16:33 καὶ ἐβαπτίσθη αὐτὸς καὶ οἱ αὐτοῦ πάντες παραχρῆμα,

5. to be immersed — to be or become engulfed or plunged into something (whether literal or figurative). Related Topic: Immersion.

Ac 1:5 ὑμεῖς δὲ ἐν πνεύματι βαπτισθήσεσθε ἁγίῳ οὐ μετὰ πολλὰς ταύτας
Ac 11:16 ὑμεῖς δὲ βαπτισθήσεσθε ἐν πνεύματι ἁγίῳ.
Ac 16:15 ὡς δὲ ἐβαπτίσθη καὶ ὁ οἶκος αὐτῆς,

6. to wash (baptize) — to wash oneself so as to be thoroughly and ceremonially clean; especially by dipping oneself into water as cleansing the whole person.

Mk 7:4 καὶ ἀπʼ ἀγορᾶς ἐὰν μὴ βαπτίσωνται οὐκ ἐσθίουσιν,
Lk 11:38 ὁ δὲ Φαρισαῖος ἰδὼν ἐθαύμασεν ὅτι οὐ πρῶτον ἐβαπτίσθη πρὸ

7. to experience completely ⇔ be immersed — to experience something in a superlative or consummate manner; conceived of as being immersed in the experience. Related Topic: Experience.

Mk 10:38 τὸ βάπτισμα ὃ ἐγὼ βαπτίζομαι
Mk 10:38 ἐγὼ βαπτίζομαι βαπτισθῆναι;
Mk 10:39 τὸ βάπτισμα ὃ ἐγὼ βαπτίζομαι
Mk 10:39 καὶ τὸ βάπτισμα ὃ ἐγὼ βαπτίζομαι βαπτισθήσεσθε,
Lk 12:50 βάπτισμα δὲ ἔχω βαπτισθῆναι,

8. to be initiated ⇔ be baptized — to be or become initiated, conceived of as being immersed (into the group or the leader of the group).

1 Co 10:2 καὶ πάντες εἰς τὸν Μωϋσῆν ἐβαπτίσαντο ἐν τῇ νεφέλῃ καὶ

Multi-Term Verb Usage

1. to baptize — to momentarily dip someone into water as a cleansing, ceremonial, and initiatory rite. See also ἐν, ὕδωρ. Related Topics: Baptism; Ablution; Sacraments.

Mk 1:8 ἐγὼ ἐβάπτισα ὑμᾶς ὕδατι,
Jn 1:26 Ἐγὼ βαπτίζω ἐν ὕδατι·
Jn 1:31 ἵνα φανερωθῇ τῷ Ἰσραὴλ διὰ τοῦτο ἦλθον ἐγὼ ἐν ὕδατι βαπτίζων.
Ac 1:5 Ἰωάννης μὲν ἐβάπτισεν ὕδατι,
Ac 11:16 Ἰωάννης μὲν ἐβάπτισεν ὕδατι,


Brannan, R. (Ed.). (2020). Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

Baptism in the OT and the NT were/are both ceremonial washing, cleansing, purifying procedures.

In the OT it was done with water or blood.

In the NT it is done by water.

In the OT it was done by sprinkling or pouring.

In the NT it is done by sprinkling, pouring or immersion.

But, considering all scriptures and word meanings, sprinkling does not appear to fit the requirements laid out in scripture, as more often than not it is at a font and does not fully wet the person.

Pouring however can fit the requirements of a person being fully wet, the majority of examples do appear to point towards immersion by dipping or dunking but there are still two elements that I am not at peace with.

1 - is the following example, taken from the highly recommended BDAG Lexicon which states

ⓒ of the Christian sacrament of initiation after Jesus’ death
(freq. pass.; s. above 2a; Iren. 3, 12, 9 [Harv. II 63, 3]) Mark 16:16; Acts 2:41; Acts 8:12f, Acts 8:36, Acts 8:38; Acts 9:18; Acts 10:47; Acts 16:15, Acts 16:33; Acts 18:8; Acts 22:16; 1 Cor 1:14–17; D 7
(where baptism by pouring is allowed in cases of necessity); If anyone can shed light on this, with scripture or Lexicon please do.

2 - Is the account of Philip and the Eunoch

Acts 8:38
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

The verse is not clear as to the method they adopted for baptism. The fact they both went down into the water, we would all do so by walking down the banking, down into the water, but this is not immersion. They could have dunked, they could have poured, I honestly believe that we honestly say for sure what method they used, but we can be sure the scriptures say the eunoch was baptised by Philip.