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I'm a little ignorant to religions, but Catholics aren't Christians?

For some reason I thought that if you followed the teachings of Christ or just believed in him that you're a Christian.

Which churches/religions are best to attend if you want to be a Christian?

Are Baptists, Methodists, etc. Christians?

Thanks, I'm really wanting to start going to church.

A genuine Christian is born of the Spirit, and lives in Christ (this has nothing whatsoever to do with mans religious organizations)

The teaching of Christ is "Come to ME..."
If we really believe His teaching, we will go to HIM.

You dont go to men or organizations if you want to find Christ, you simply go to Christ. There is no other way to draw nigh to GOD, except through prayer. There is no other way to know HIM except to spend time in HIS presence. And you cannot be 'spiritual', unless HE gives you His Spirit. Try to come to God, or become spiritual, by any other fleshly means, and you will be wasting your time, for you will never please God.


Rom 8:8 Indeed, those who are under the control of the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 You, however, are not of the flesh but under the control of the Spirit, since God's Spirit lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to him.
Rom 8:10 But if Christ is in you, your bodies are dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 And if the Spirit of the one who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, then the one who raised Christ from the dead will also make your mortal bodies alive by his Spirit who lives in you.
Rom 8:12 Consequently, brothers, we have an obligation-but it is not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh, you are going to die, but if by the Spirit you continually put to death the activities of the body, you will live.
Rom 8:14 For all who are led by God's Spirit are God's children.


http://www.talkjesus.com/get-saved-now/7170-what-biblical-christian.html
 
I had the previledge of meeting a homeless man not long ago,he worked with me several
weeks.In this time I got to to know the man and his strugle,I also found out that he had grown
up in the Catholic church,we had several discusions about faith and things conserning
salvation.It didnt take me long to realize,I was preaching to the choir.
This man Im talking about is now my good friend,he has been restored and in his right
mind.He is currently attending Catholic church in new mexico and is marching on the
front lines of pro life causes.

We must be very careful and gentle because Catholics are our brothers and sisters.

I'm sure your friend is a very nice man Carlos. However, everything you have said so far indicates a man-centered idea of God. Some of the nicest people I know are Mormons, but will they enter the Kingdom of heaven? If you believe that, you obviously have little knowledge of the Word of God. We should never base our opinion of salvation on how many good works a person does. God doesn't.

I agree that there are some "cradle Catholics" who may continue in the church although not believing in its doctrines of praying to anyone other than God, exalthing the Pope as the "vicar of Christ on earth." Perhaps they don't really believe a piece of bread actually becomes the blood and flesh of Christ to be sacrificed over and over. But if they do, the scriptures are clear that this is "another gospel" that is accursed.

Somehow, Carlos, you are either very confused on the actual doctrine of salvation, or you are still a Catholic. You seem like a very nice young man and I will suggest you look into the story of Alberto Rivera for more insight. He was poisoned because he revealed the secrets of the Jesuits. That is simple and would be a good starting point.

Now I would admonish you - you must be careful not to mistake man's good works as proof of their salvation. Only believing and following the Truth and the REAL JESUS of the Bible alone (HE IS RISEN!) will anyone be saved.
 
As you probably know, the Council of Trent anathematizes (curses) everyone who is not Roman Catholic and who does not subscribe to the list of doctrines in that document. For your reference here are quotes that document the authenticity of the Council of Trent as well as the fact that the current Pope still upholds the Council of Trent for ALL Catholics:


In January 1996, Pope John Paul II commemorated the 450th anniversary of the opening of the Council of Trent by visiting Trento, Italy, and affirming that Trent's declarations “maintain all their value.” [emphasis mine]

The Council of Trent was conducted by four different popes (Paul III, Julius III, Paul IV, Pius IV) between the years 1545 to 1565, and had the two-fold goal of bringing reform to Catholicism and condemning and hindering the growth of Protestantism. A series of anathemas were issued against Protestant doctrine. The Index of Prohibited Books was set up, condemning authors and writings which were deemed anti-Catholic. During the era of Trent, the barbarous Inquisition was further unleashed against those who dared to reject Roman heresies.

In 1564 the doctrines of Trent were summarized in a papal bull entitled The Tridentine Profession of Faith. Dr. Raymond Surburg notes that “all Roman Catholic clergy and teachers must subscribe to it as well as converts to the faith from Protestantism. The person subscribing to it must swear true obedience to the Pope” (The Christian News, July 10, 1995, p. 6).


An official statement of the doctrines approved at Trent were issued in 1566 in the Roman Catechism.

The Council of Trent denied every Reformation doctrine, including Scripture alone and grace alone. Trent hurled 125 anathemas (eternal damnation) against Bible-believing Christians, including these: [emphasis mine]

“If any one shall deny that the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and therefore entire Christ, are truly, really, and substantially contained in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist; and shall say that He is only in it as a sign, or in a figure, or virtually--let him be accursed” (Canon 1).

“If any one shall say that the substance of the bread and wine remains in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, together with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and shall deny that wonderful and singular conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the body, and of the whole substance of the wine into the blood, the outward forms of the bread and wine still remaining, which conversion the Catholic Church most aptly calls transubstantiation--let him be accursed” (Canon 2).

“If any man shall say that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is not to be adored in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, even with the open worship of latria, and therefore not to be venerated with any peculiar festal celebrity, nor to be solemnly carried about in processions according to the praiseworthy, and universal rites and customs of the holy Church, and that he is not to be publicly set before the people to be adored, and that his adorers are idolaters--let him be accursed” (Canon 6).

“If anyone shall say that the ungodly man is justified by faith only so as to understand that nothing else is required that may cooperate to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is in no wise necessary for him to be prepared and disposed by the motion of his own will ... let him be accursed” (Canon 9).

“If anyone shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ's sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified ... let him be accursed” (Canon 12).

These proclamations and anathemas were fleshed out in the murderous persecutions vented upon true Christians by Rome--and Trent has never been annulled. The Vatican II Council in the 1960s referred to Trent dozens of times, quoting Trent's proclamations as authoritative and reaffirming Trent on every hand. The New Catholic Catechism cites Trent no less than 99 times. There is not the slightest hint that the proclamations of the Council of Trent have been abrogated by Rome.

“The Fathers of the Council, continuing the work begun by the Council of Trent, confidently entrust to superiors and professors in seminaries the duty of training Christ's future priests in the spirit of that renewal promoted by the Council itself” (Decree on the Training of Priests, p. 654).

WHY WERE OUR REFORMERS BURNED?

I wish my readers to remember that the burning of the Marian martyrs is an act that the Church of Rome has never repudiated, apologized for, or repented of, down to the present day. There stands the huge blot on her escutcheon; and there stands the huge fact side by side, that she never made any attempt to wipe it away. Never has she repented of her treatment of the Vaudois and the Albigenses;-never has she repented of the wholesale murders of the Spanish Inquisition; -never has she repented of the massacre of St. Bartholomew;-never has she repented of the burning of the English Reformers. We should make a note of that fact, and let it sink down into our minds.

Rome never changes. Rome will never admit that she has made mistakes. She burned our English Reformers 300 years ago. She tried hard to stamp out by violence the Protestantism which she could not prevent spreading by arguments. If Rome had only the power, I am not sure that she would not attempt to play the whole game over again.


It is fashionable [now affectionatly called charitable] in some quarters to deny that there is any such thing as certainty about religious truth, or any opinions for which it is worth while to be burned. Yet, 300 years ago, there were men who were certain they had found out truth, and were content to die for their opinions.-

None spoke more pithily, weightily, and powerfully than did this Suffolk incumbent.

Striking and deeply affecting was his last testament and legacy of advice to his wife, his family, and parishioners, though far too long to be inserted here, excepting the last sentence : -"For God's sake beware of Popery: for though it appear to have in it unity, yet the same is vanity and Antichristianity, and not in Christ's faith and verity."-Foxe's "Acts and Monuments," vol. iii.p.144.

I agree with you and love that you point out the historical legacy of the martyrs - something the evangelical church has all but forgotten. We must never forget our holocaust.
 
We can agree to disagree. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
I will not tolerate however, being told that Catholics are not Christians. A Christian accepts Christ as their Lord and Savior.

Which Christ? The one of the mass who is perpetually being sacrificed and is still hanging on the cross? HE IS RISEN!

A Christian worships their Lord, the Son of God, Jesus the Christ.

And Mary, and dead people. And again, which Jesus is this?

They call upon the name of the Trinity.

As do many of the cults.

Catholics do that, Protestants do that. That's what being a Christian is all about.

No, that is NOT what being a Christian is all about. Take a closer look at the gospel - IT IS FINISHED.

Peace be with you,
Rachel G.

I disagree. We are not all brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
You misunderstood. I was trying to point out that Catholics see Christ as the Son of God, their only Savior. I showed you the Apostles Creed to show you the root-beliefs of Christianity. I was presenting a historical background.

It is sad that a lot of priests are in fact ill-equipped to deal with inquiry. I've met a lot of Protestant Pastors who could not answer my corrections very well. I don't think people in general like questions such as "what do you believe". They get intimidated and resort to repetition. I see the same repetition in the Scripture quoting of Protestants.

"Satan believes and trembles"....do you not believe and tremble? That is a poor argument for claiming the Catholic Church was spawned by Satan. Don;t tell me these aren't attacks. Just because you're not out and saying it doesn't mean I can't see the subtlety of such remarks.

Everything you accuse the Catholic Church of, I can accuse the Protestants of: twisted doctrine, abuse, ,manipulation, e.t.c.

Come on already, stop trying to prove the Catholic Church is some inherent evil and see that it seeks to glorify Christ. We try so hard to seek God- all of us, granted you have a few idiots, scoundrels and Judases, but every church does.

I am starting to get weary of devout Christians trying to test my faith, trying to tear it apart and call the church I attend "Satan" Satan means: accuser!

I found Christ in the Catholic church, not as some superpower but as a denomination, and the oldest one I can recall.... You should be rejoicing that The Catholic church brings Christ, baptism and communion to so many people, that it preaches the word of God.

Do you not attend your own churches? Do you not profess your beliefs? We do the same as you and more similarly than you think. I have seen many a Protestant criticize the Catholic Church with such fury they could burn the Vatican. (not saying you guys). Is that right? Is it right to pursue these "heresies" in your own crusade? Seriously, I see the pot calling the kettle black.

You may think the Catholic Church is stained and ugly while ignoring the fact that we with our goofy-looking Pope turn our eyes to the Spotless Lamb of God.

"All to the greater glory of God"

Unfortunately, your goofy-looking Pope also turns his eyes and the world to a false Mary, the "mediatrix of all graces." This is something absolutely abhorrent to all true believers who look to Christ alone.

You are probably a very nice person, but the religion you defend so vehemently is one that has claimed the lives of more innocent true Christians than any one way in the history of the world! Until around the turn of the century, the memory of the Inquisition was fresh in the minds of the followers of the real Jesus Christ. We have come to a point now where we have forgotten much of why the early martyrs opposed the system of Rome. RC propaganda has made efforts to reach what they call "separated brethren" although Christians were never part of this system to begin with.

Without a doubt, there are those who will point out the same scriptures that are diametrically opposed to Catholic heresies. The debate will continue with the remnant that has not bought the lies of Rome.
 
Dear Chad,
I have a small but intriguing question. But i believe that Jesus- God- is not a fool. Therefore no matter how people try to evade some truths mentioned in your paper, i admit solemnly that the RCC badly needs revival! But, come to think of it: Jesus is not that bad in Kingdom business, to want to see as many as were born, lived and died as catholics, go to hell. Personally, i think the RCC in itself is not bad- it established first, but some individuals who became RCC leaders got it all wrong, and so introduced new practices that are emm... say of typical demonic origin. I therefore think that the RCC needs revival, and not that all RCC fellows are doomed. Some practices therein need to be wiped out, and if possible, new ones introduced. But tell me, do you think all those who die as catholics will go to hell?
Join me pray for them, for i trust in the power of prayer. some how, i believe Jesus will send a Jonah their way.
Thanks for the enlightenment nevertheless, and God bless you big brother.
 
Hi everyone!

I am still confused with the difference between catholics and christians as far as I know both believe in Christ being the Lord and both believe in the death and risen of Jesus Christ which in my country is being celebrated this week.

In the bible it is written that "those who believe in me and do my teachings will be saved" so both religions have the same bible I think which includes the same commandments etc correct me if i'm wrong. I just want to understand what is the difference between these religions and therefore why the accusations to each other.

In the bible there is also a statement mentioned to not judge one another so that we will not be judged but let the lord alone judge us therefore i don't want to judge anyone and hopefully i want be judged either
 
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In the bible it is written that "those who believe in me and do my teachings will be saved" so both religions have the same bible I think which includes the same commandments etc correct me if i'm wrong.

I'm a former Catholic and I've discovered that one of the major points of disagreement between Catholics and Protestants is the Catholic Church's use of statues to represent the Virgin Mary and various noted saints and its practice of encouraging people to pray to these people to intercede for them in their petitions to the Father. Protestants view this as idolatry. They seem to think that it amounts to putting these saints in the place of God. In my opinion, calling on the saints and Mary as intercessors is of doubtful value, since Hebrews 4:15-16 NIV speaks of Jesus being our great High Priest and tells us to "approach the throne of (His) grace with confidence so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need." But, that doesn't mean that Catholics are putting them in the place of God. If I ask my very much alive RCC niece to pray for me (intercede), does that mean I'm putting her in the place of God? By no means.

Another bone of contention: Catholics believe that their church tradition has equal weight with the Bible. Protestants don't buy that and, as a former member of the RCC, I don't buy that either any more. In my opinion, tradition that is not supported by Scripture is not from God and, therefore, its authority is suspect.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
Another bone of contention: Catholics believe that their church tradition has equal weight with the Bible. Protestants don't buy that and, as a former member of the RCC, I don't buy that either any more. In my opinion, tradition that is not supported by Scripture is not from God and, therefore, its authority is suspect.

Hi Victory

Sorry if I may ask you what is RCC? the way I see it or at least learned is that the church teaches the bible and explain certain things that we might find confusing not that the church in itself is something higher than the bible and the people involve in it like priests popes etc are still human beings and therefore it doesn't mean that they can't do wrong as well and by letting the bible guide us we are responsible to choose the right "teachers" to guide us to God at least that's the way I see it maybe others disagree. I don't believe that the saints are there to adore them. Only God is the one to adore is our first commandments. The way I see it the saints are there to give an example of the way they lived by putting God the first place in their lives but they are not God themselves they are still human beings. It doesn't mean that everyone should agree with me that my point of view only.
 
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I'm a former Catholic and I've discovered that one of the major points of disagreement between Catholics and Protestants is the Catholic Church's use of statues to represent the Virgin Mary and various noted saints and its practice of encouraging people to pray to these people to intercede for them in their petitions to the Father. Protestants view this as idolatry. They seem to think that it amounts to putting these saints in the place of God. In my opinion, calling on the saints and Mary as intercessors is of doubtful value, since Hebrews 4:15-16 NIV speaks of Jesus being our great High Priest and tells us to "approach the throne of (His) grace with confidence so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need." But, that doesn't mean that Catholics are putting them in the place of God. If I ask my very much alive RCC niece to pray for me (intercede), does that mean I'm putting her in the place of God? By no means.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)

One point to note. The Protestants view this as idolatry, (or indeed they aught to) because God views this as idolatry, and His Word gives us ample proof of His view, and leaves no room for doubt at all.

The difference between asking someone to pray for you and praying to them is the first is God ordained, the second is what God calls idolatry. The 'saints' were our fellowservants, and are not to be prayed to as tho they had power to grant us anything in earth or Heaven. There was only ONE who has that power.
His name is Jesus Christ.

Col 3:17 And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Rev 22:8 I, John, heard and saw these things. When I had heard and seen them, I bowed down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing me these things.
Rev 22:9 But he told me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you, your brothers the prophets, and those who keep the words in this book. Worship God!"
 
Yes I do agree with you Coconut to only adore Jesus Christ and yes unfortunately some catholics have the tendency to pray to saints for miracles to happen, but it doesn't mean that they are being taught to do that. I will consider these tendencies wrong myself and if miracles do happen they will be coming from God Himself not the saints. The saints will be praying for us to GOD. They have no power on their own. There is only one GOD to adore and that Jesus Christ Himself. The saints were people like us but they lived in the love of God and dedicated their lives to Him and even died for Him in the bible it is written that (the ones who believe in HIM shall never perish) and now they are in heaven but they are not God themselves they are his angels. At least that's what I believe and it doesn't mean that everyone should agree with me.
 
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Let us bring the Good News to the World...

Whilst Christians are arguing about Catholics are Christs or not, satan is increasing the Islam all over the world. I think, such a discussion is initiated by satan himself!!!

Brothers and sisters in Christ, please remember Epeser 4, we are all one body in Christ!!

And we are all under the order of Christ to pray the Good News an baptize those, who aren't baptized.

We are all sent in HIS vineyard!
 
Intercede

Be careful that the devil does not slip into your home by the back door of crazy "Christian" sects while you're watching the front door for Muslim terrorists.

--Do you not know that even the physical veil (in the temple) between man and the holy of holies was RENT IN TWO the day our Lord died upon the Cross? When the words "it is finished" left His holy lips, the divisions barring impure man from holy God were forever undone! If it were not so, He would have told us.

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Intercede:

–verb (used without object), -ced⋅ed, -ced⋅ing.

1. to act or interpose in behalf of someone in difficulty or trouble, as by pleading or petition: to intercede with the governor for a condemned man.

This first definition assumes the lowest level of authority. The person doing the intercession has no rank per se -- but a certain influence *with* "the governor."

Catholics pray *to* saints because they feel that like the servants who "do not know what his master is doing" they cannot approach the Lord directly. They know a good deal about Him but they do not KNOW Him.

They are kept in darkness and separated from Fellowship with Him by a clergy that is either also in darkness or maliciously misteaching their flocks.

One *cannot* study the Word of God in any depth and continue to cling to the belief that there need be anyone between man and God - for the only ONE who ever dared to stand between man and God is CHRIST and Christ IS God!

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2. to attempt to reconcile differences between two people or groups; mediate.

Here is a second layer of intersession, higher than the first. Now the person doing the interceding has rank -- for mediation requires authority *over* at least one of the people in the mediation.

I doubt any priest would dare to say he has authority *over* the Lord -- but where does he get his authority *over* his flock? Too much is given to these men and not enough to the Lord. Way too many Catholics I know are more worried about getting a chance to talk to their priest about their lives than to bring their troubles to Jesus -- not surprisingly most of them are still dealing with the same problems today.

Let us be satisfied with Christ as our only Master and do what works we can on Earth to advise and support those in various secular positions to do wisely as well.

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3. Roman History. (of a tribune or other magistrate) to interpose a veto.

And here is the final level of authority. The person here must hold authority *over* everyone in the mediation or issue.

Name the someone who has authority over the Lord.

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Most of Catechism is filled with the "doctrine" of men. It is as unsound as the filthy "churches" of the USA who "anoint" practicing homosexuals as ministers or priests. It is as unsound as the lascivious "free love" thinkers who declare that it's not adultery if no one is committed to anyone in the first place.

Catholicism is so unsound and broken that it is, quite simply, Satanic.

It is not only not OF the Body of Christ, it is a cancer that *will* one day be purged from it.

Woe to the clergy who can read the Word of the Lord yet continue to teach these falsehoods. Heavy are their millstones and they will sink deep into the lake of fire for the deceptions and lies with which they ravish their laity.

Mary is NOT Queen of Heaven

Brigid is a demon, never was a woman, and is hardly a saint.

Most of the other saints weren't saints by any decent examination of their lives.

Michael never - ever - asked to be venerated in any way.
Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel didn't either -- and any beings who showed up pretending to be these servants of the Father with such suggestions on their lips should have been exorcised, not praised.

There is not only Salvation without "The Church," there is no Salvation within it....for Salvation does not come by membership in the "Holy Roman Catholic Church" but ONLY by Grace through Faith and belief in the Christ that allows one to accept the covering blood of the Lamb of God.

If the Chruch was EVER to be the vehicle of Salvation on Earth, Our Lord would have told us: "My ekklesia is the Way and the Truth and the Light -- none may come to the Father but by It."

HE DID NOT!

Anything that puts distance between Christ and His people is EVIL.


Most of the teachings of the Catholic church put hurdles and gates between laity and God.

Do the math...work out the logic.

It's just that simple.
 
If the Chruch was EVER to be the vehicle of Salvation on Earth, Our Lord would have told us: "My ekklesia is the Way and the Truth and the Light -- none may come to the Father but by It."


Well done Sister

I dont believe it is possible to be filled with the Spirit of God and not be grieved by how far mans religions, with all its traditions and beliefs and practices have separated them from the very heart of God.
 
I am also a former catholic

I never understood why catholics call me hateful when I try to show them errors of the catholic church

So now I just ask them if they fully trust in the shed blood of Jesus, they never answer that one
 
Brothers and sister.Conscerning this topic on wether catholics are christian or not.What I dont comprehend and aprehend about all those who would attack catholics and their traditions,is.How come we dont make a bold confrontation on all the false teachers within evangelical mainstream.The false teachers names Im about to list here,some of you are probably guilty of not only reading their books,but also promoting for the advancement of a lie.
The catholic church may have their saints and mother mary's,but they dont distort the nature of God like Benny Hynn,or Creflo Dollar,Joyce Meyer,Keneth kopland,TD Jakes,theres hundreds if not thousands of false teachers all over the protestant church and I dont see anyone cut to the quick about cleaning up their own house.All of you that desire to make a great showing of how right on your doctrine is,should judge your own selves that you may not be judged when row call is done.
1 Corinthians 11:31.
 
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Brothers and sister.Conscerning this topic on wether catholics are christian or not.What I dont comprehend and aprehend about all those who would attack catholics and their traditions,is.How come we dont make a bold confrontation on all the false teachers within evangelical mainstream.The false teachers names Im about to list here,some of you are probably guilty of not only reading their books,but also promoting for the advancement of a lie.
The catholic church may have their saints and mother mary's,but they dont distort the nature of God like Benny Hynn,or Creflo Dollar,Joyce Meyer,Keneth kopland,TD Jakes,theres hundreds if not thousands of false teachers all over the protestant church and I dont see anyone cut to the quick about cleaning up their own house.All of you that desire to make a great showing of how right on your doctrine is,should judge your own selves that you may not be judged when row call is done.
1 Corinthians 11:31.
oh yes
liturgical and evangelical deceptions surround the true Christian camp with false teachings,
the protestant church is growing more apostate in these last days as satan prepares them to unify under the ecumenical banner of the one world church
Jesus says few people find the correct narrow path to heaven.
 
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ok i understand now that there are certain differences between christians and catholics but the important thing is that they both believe in Jesus Christ being the son of God and that he died on the cross in order to save us all and wants us to be one whole family even two twins who are born from the same mother and have the same upbringing differ from each other so we couldn't expect there will be no difference between all people who believe in christ but one thing is common that whether you are a christian or a catholic they both are taught to love one another and to do good to one another. God had done good to his enemies so instead of fighting with each other lets focus on those things that bring these two views of religions together and instead of threating each other like enemies lets help one another and be a one whole family. Jesus always taught us to love one another and the only thing that differs us from God are the things contrary to what he teaches us like hate, killings, consider each other like enemies, and above all judging each other. Whether we are christians or catholics we have all the same father which is God who love us all. He doesn't give us extra points by being a christian or a catholic but he will give us extra points if instead of spreading violence we will be spreading love and instead of searching for differences between us we will be searching the things that bring us together. After all we are all brother and sisters. This is my point of view only:wink: Good day to all of you
 
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