Contemporary Judaizers

[brakelite]

Hi braklite,

I see your still preaching a righteousness by works of the law gospel.

God forbid Barney that I would do such a thing! You have me mistaken for someone else I think. Teaching righteousness by works of the law is heresy. I would never do such a thing. Certainly not on a Christian forum where I would very quickly be condemned, and rightly so. Even my own church would frown severely upon me.

 

[RJ]

So does that mean you repent to Christ as needed when you do future mess ups? If not, then you think He will save you regardless of doing iniquity, which is one of the doctrines that came from Calvinism that formed the OSAS doctrines of men.

• I confess to all men that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour! I have recieved the gospel that St. Paul said he preached and saves me.
• Other than that my relationship with Christ is between he and I.
• I have a repentent heart and, from the time that I was saved, have had a change in conscience toward God.
• I don't purposely sin, you just don't seem to undertand that! But, I am not the fool to think that there are sins I commit that even I don't recognize and , yes, he saves me regardless of all of my sins!.
• I have never question your salvation but you continue to attack mine, like you know better than Jesus himself or you are baring fruit! You almost appear to savor your belief that I am not saved. Some great Christian work there, I hope you are proud.
• LOL, I am not in the least concered about you assumptions of me or your vast knowledge of what God does or doesn't do!
• I would be careful that one of these doesn't apply: Matthew 7:5, Luke 6:42 or Luke 6:41
• How about: Matthew 7:1-2 ?

 

[DHC]

That's what the doctrine is about today. It may not have been as much so in past history. One of the main OSAS doctrines of today is that it is impossible for the believer to have sin anymore, and thus they need no future repentance to Christ Jesus. It is a doctrine that originated with Calvin.

Hello NoHype.

There appears to be some misunderstanding about the idea that once a person is saved
they cannot become unsaved. OSAS is simply saying that a true Christian can never fall
away. In other words heaven is populated only by those who really did believe in Jesus.
Those people who really did receive the Holy Spirit, and those people that did obey the
real commandments of God. True Christians are protected by God NoHype, that is what
OSAS states.

Nothing could be simpler than the belief of OSAS. The belief in OSAS is a belief in the
full power of God to protect and deliver those who believe in Jesus Christ. God is sovereign
as far as our salvation is concerned and there can be no argument on this point.

Where the confusion arises is in two areas NoHype.

1) 'God is Soveriegn' is a doctrine of the scripture and this is not up for debate. People
confuse the belief in OSAS with Calvinism because both systems point to God's sovereignty
as the first cause. There is an important difference between these two theologies.

Calvinism simply believes God 'chooses' who will be saved and thus all Calvinists will
follow the principle of OSAS. But, and this is important NoHype, many non Calvinists
also believe in OSAS. You do not need to follow Calvinism to be a supporter of OSAS.
Not all people who follow OSAS are Calvinist but all Calvinists are OSAS of course.

2) The second area that seems to cause a misunderstanding of OSAS is in the concept
of falling away. All OSAS is saying is that anyone who 'falls away' were not saved in the
first place. This is a locical argument NoHype and if you think it through, how could God
allow a person who believes in Jesus to stumble and fall?

The interpretation that OSAS relies on is fairly strongly attested by the scripture.
God knows those who really love Him NoHype and God delivers those very people
come hell or high water.

 

[DHC]

Interesting thread. There are truly contemporary Jews. They still obey the law and are still waiting for the Messiah.
There are three points of view here...

1. I don't need Jesus, I can obey the law and commandments good enough to get by. ( Jews who are still waiting for Messiah ).

2. Jesus is all I need. I'm not under the law or the commandments anymore. His grace covers me, no matter how immoral I am.

3. I can try my best to obey God's commandments, but I will likely fail, that's why I need Jesus. His grace covers my failures.

(Of course Atheism would be a 4th option, but you can't relate that to Judaism.)

I would only consider option 1 a true "Judaizer".

Hello B-A-C.

Not a very accurate post you have submitted. I do not think that you were correct regarding any of these points.

 

[brakelite]

If I speed past a law enforcement officer doing 185mph and he pulls me over after chasing me for 120 miles; discover when questioning me that I am stoned, I have a loaded rifle on the seat next to me, and my pitbull leaps out of the car and takes a piece out of his leg, I think I'd be in trouble.
But this particular law officer is a very kind and compassionate soul , and being the kind guy he is and feeling sorry for me because my favourite second cousin twice removed died just recently 9 years ago and because I am still grieving, decided to let me off. That's grace. Lotssa grace.
I then let out a whoop, shout "praise cops everywhere" , proclaim my freedom from the law, take off in a hail of metal and smoke, do 3 x360's in the middle of the freeway in celebration and accelerate to 250 mph while continuing to proclaim my freedom from being under the law because I am now under grace.

 

[DHC]

If I speed past a law enforcement officer doing 185mph and he pulls me over after chasing me for 120 miles; discover when questioning me that I am stoned, I have a loaded rifle on the seat next to me, and my pitbull leaps out of the car and takes a piece out of his leg, I think I'd be in trouble.
But this particular law officer is a very kind and compassionate soul , and being the kind guy he is and feeling sorry for me because my favourite second cousin twice removed died just recently 9 years ago and because I am still grieving, decided to let me off. That's grace. Lotssa grace.
I then let out a whoop, shout "praise cops everywhere" , proclaim my freedom from the law, take off in a hail of metal and smoke, do 3 x360's in the middle of the freeway in celebration and accelerate to 250 mph while continuing to proclaim my freedom from being under the law because I am now under grace.

Hello brakelite.

This seems to be a common misunderstanding of the legalism fraternity.
I can see why you would offer such a scenario as above.
If we are under Grace then is that a licence to sin is what you are saying.

Certainly not Brakelite.

If I am not 'under' the law does that mean I can commit the deeds of the flesh?

Once again certainly not.

Paul answers the very same objection in the scripture.

Romans 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

May it never be Brakelite!

 

[Barny]

God forbid Barney that I would do such a thing! You have me mistaken for someone else I think. Teaching righteousness by works of the law is heresy. I would never do such a thing. Certainly not on a Christian forum where I would very quickly be condemned, and rightly so. Even my own church would frown severely upon me.

Hi brakelite.

Perhaps you can clarify your current understanding for me as it was many months ago that we discussed such topics.

I recall from our discussions last year that you appeared to follow the legalists doctrine which, while it correctly states we're saved by grace and not by works of the law, it subtly adds to this a message that if you slip up once too often regarding obedience to the law, then that proves one does not have "imparted" righteousness and therefore must be a non-believer.

Is the above summary similar to what you understand?

BTW, most here would agree that a Christian's lifestyle/behavior should reflect their love for one another. I think most would also agree that Christian's will all be at different stages of growth. Some show little to no improvement in behavior/lifestyle, such as the thief on the cross. Others however show more improvement. Therefore our lifestyle/behavior is not how our righteousness is determined or even evidenced.

Interested to hear whether you are in fact following that doctrine of "ïmparted" righteousness through obedience to the law, as proof of one's salvation/righteousness.

 

[brakelite]

Hello brakelite.

This seems to be a common misunderstanding of the legalism fraternity.
I can see why you would offer such a scenario as above.
If we are under Grace then is that a licence to sin is what you are saying.

Certainly not Brakelite.

If I am not 'under' the law does that mean I can commit the deeds of the flesh?

Once again certainly not.

Paul answers the very same objection in the scripture.

Romans 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

May it never be Brakelite!

Glad to hear that DHC, and yes, my post was a little tongue in cheek as you may have gathered. Yet there is an aspect to the "law is dead" fraternity that when challenged regarding any potential (or otherwise) transgression against the law, the comeback is so often "I am no longer under the law but under grace". How many times have you seen that, or used it yourself? Grace in that instant is used in precisely the way you say is so objectionable above.
The truth is DHC that Christians, because they have set aside God's standard and claim it is no longer relevant, have erected their own standard. And then complain when the church becomes as immoral as the world.

 

[brakelite]

Hi brakelite.

Perhaps you can clarify your current understanding for me as it was many months ago that we discussed such topics.

I recall from our discussions last year that you appeared to follow the legalists doctrine which, while it correctly states we're saved by grace and not by works of the law, it subtly adds to this a message that if you slip up once too often regarding obedience to the law, then that proves one does not have "imparted" righteousness and therefore must be a non-believer.

Is the above summary similar to what you understand?

BTW, most here would agree that a Christian's lifestyle/behavior should reflect their love for one another. I think most would also agree that Christian's will all be at different stages of growth. Some show little to no improvement in behavior/lifestyle, such as the thief on the cross. Others however show more improvement. Therefore our lifestyle/behavior is not how our righteousness is determined or even evidenced.

Interested to hear whether you are in fact following that doctrine of "ïmparted" righteousness through obedience to the law, as proof of one's salvation/righteousness.

http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/47702-contemporary-judaizers-8.html#post236712
Barney, whoever has proposed an "imparted righteousness through obedience to the law"??? We all know and understand that any obedience to the law can only be accomplished by the grace and power of God in the believer. Thus the righteousness that makes obedience possible, must be imparted before the fruits, (obedience), is evident, not as a result of obedience.

 

[DHC]

Glad to hear that DHC, and yes, my post was a little tongue in cheek as you may have gathered. Yet there is an aspect to the "law is dead" fraternity that when challenged regarding any potential (or otherwise) transgression against the law, the comeback is so often "I am no longer under the law but under grace". How many times have you seen that, or used it yourself? Grace in that instant is used in precisely the way you say is so objectionable above.
The truth is DHC that Christians, because they have set aside God's standard and claim it is no longer relevant, have erected their own standard. And then complain when the church becomes as immoral as the world.

Hello Brakelite.

No doubt you are surprised in the same way that I am surprised, when the subject
of the 'covenant law' appears in a thread. How much emotion and enthusiasm
does covenant law generate. It amazes me how many tiers of understanding come
into play regarding the interaction of covenant law and the Christian life!

For some legal obedience is a social obligation, for others it is the foundation
of legal systems worldwide. In the club that you attend it is God's standard, the
pinnacle of Christian obedience. For some others it is more than just the nine
or ten commandments, it is all about moral law.

So many variations in the understanding of covenant law and it's application.

I am a purist in my antinomian beliefs Brakelite, as you no doubt are also.

We both believe the only path to salvation is through Jesus Christ.

We both strongly oppose anybody that believes in salvation through the
works of covenant law. We both exhibit our loyalty to antinomianism.

I am not an advocate of the 'law is dead' fraternity, Brakelite.

But I am a card carying member of the 'old covenant is redundant' union.

I rejoice and pay my fees gladly in the New Covenant of Grace.

It is the way that the covenant law is applied that separates us.

 

[james1523]

Judaizing basically means to turn away from Christ and towards men (or the self).
Christians are not under the (written) law of ordinances and commandments.
Christians are under the law of the Spirit. No, not just under, but IN. If you are IN the Spirit, then you are IN the law of the Spirit, and this law of the Spirit is IN you.
So Christians are not without law, they just have a better law than the law of the Old Testament. This law of the Spirit is better in every way. Unlike the written law, it does not stir up our flesh, it does not lead us into condemnation and guilt, it does not easily punish us if we disobey it, and best of all, this law of the Spirit does not depend on our own power and ability, but God's. This law of the Spirit, is none other than the law of the Spirit of the person Jesus Christ, who lived a human life, and died a human death. So unlike the written law, this law of the Spirit somehow understands our weakness, and even sympathizes with us, and does not condemn us for it, but gives us the eternal life which we need to overcome the sinful flesh. So we can immediately see the law of the Spirit is way more powerful and effective than the written law.
The principle , called the law of the Spirit of life, which enabled Jesus Christ to live a sinless and perfect life is now dwelling in every Christian. But we need to activate it by faith, by denying our self, taking our cross (sufferings) and following Christ. The result will be a righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees - pure not only in deed, but also in thought and word and heart-intent.

Judaizing Christians, disregard the inward dwelling of the Spirit entirely, and thereby disregard the law of the Spirit - 2 Tim 3:5 "They will hold to an outward form of godliness but deny its power". Outward form - in keeping and upholding the written law, but denying the power of the indwelling Spirit.If we find such a church that preaches and teaches and lives by the law of the Spirit, then we should go to that church. All the rest, that ignore the Spirit, are Judaizing organizations of men. (Matt 23:27)

 

[Barny]

http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/47702-contemporary-judaizers-8.html#post236712
Barney, whoever has proposed an "imparted righteousness through obedience to the law"??? We all know and understand that any obedience to the law can only be accomplished by the grace and power of God in the believer. Thus the righteousness that makes obedience possible, must be imparted before the fruits, (obedience), is evident, not as a result of obedience.

What you described of the doctrine you follow is as I suspected. I guess my wording in previous post was not exact enough for your liking. I have come across such wording before however, and can see its purpose is to hide, or at least try to make a distinction between your doctrine of righteousness evidenced by works of the law from what the scripture speaks against of righteousness by works of the law.

What you have described is a legalistic doctrine. That is Obedience to the law being evidence of one who has imparted righteousness.

What you have described of The doctrine you follow is a lukewarm mix of grace with works of the law.

 

[DHC]

Judaizing basically means to turn away from Christ and towards men (or the self).
Christians are not under the (written) law of ordinances and commandments.
Christians are under the law of the Spirit. No, not just under, but IN. If you are IN the Spirit, then you are IN the law of the Spirit, and this law of the Spirit is IN you.
So Christians are not without law, they just have a better law than the law of the Old Testament. This law of the Spirit is better in every way. Unlike the written law, it does not stir up our flesh, it does not lead us into condemnation and guilt, it does not easily punish us if we disobey it, and best of all, this law of the Spirit does not depend on our own power and ability, but God's. This law of the Spirit, is none other than the law of the Spirit of the person Jesus Christ, who lived a human life, and died a human death. So unlike the written law, this law of the Spirit somehow understands our weakness, and even sympathizes with us, and does not condemn us for it, but gives us the eternal life which we need to overcome the sinful flesh. So we can immediately see the law of the Spirit is way more powerful and effective than the written law.
The principle , called the law of the Spirit of life, which enabled Jesus Christ to live a sinless and perfect life is now dwelling in every Christian. But we need to activate it by faith, by denying our self, taking our cross (sufferings) and following Christ. The result will be a righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees - pure not only in deed, but also in thought and word and heart-intent.

Judaizing Christians, disregard the inward dwelling of the Spirit entirely, and thereby disregard the law of the Spirit - 2 Tim 3:5 "They will hold to an outward form of godliness but deny its power". Outward form - in keeping and upholding the written law, but denying the power of the indwelling Spirit.If we find such a church that preaches and teaches and lives by the law of the Spirit, then we should go to that church. All the rest, that ignore the Spirit, are Judaizing organizations of men. (Matt 23:27)

Hello James1523.

An excellent post and right on target.

You have revealed the true heart and power source of the Christian life.

None other than Almighty God in the person of the Holy Spirit living within us.

We have the mind of Christ and are new creations, so we are led by God Himself.

Each step along the path to heaven is taken with His hand holding ours.

You are also very correct in the identification that the power itself is all from God and not us.

2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline.

Look forward to your input in future threads.

 

[brakelite]

That is Obedience to the law being evidence of one who has imparted righteousness.

Barney, what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God, in His great loving grace and mercy to the the repentant sinner, grants him power to become a child of God? ....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God in His grace infused the believing child with His love?....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God by His great and wondrous power fulfills His promise to the believer that he would be filled with all the fullness of God?.....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God in accordance to the prophecy of Peter made the repentant sinner a partaker in the divine nature?.....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God in mercy forgives sin and cleanses the sinner from all unrighteousness?.....
.....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God in accordance to His promise in Romans granted us His power that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit?....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God in His benevolence and faithfulness conforms the faithful believer into the image of God's Son?....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God in fulfilling His own word destines repentant sinners to keep the company of holy angels for all eternity?....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God in His mercy saves men and women from their sins?....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God in keeping His promise through His Son fills His hungering and thirsting children with His own righteousness?....
....what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if we walk as He walked?....

97 ¶ MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
98 ¶ Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.
101 ¶ I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.
102 ¶ I have not departed from thy judgments: for thou hast taught me.
103 ¶ How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

 

[brakelite]

Judaizing basically means to turn away from Christ and towards men (or the self).
Christians are not under the (written) law of ordinances and commandments.
Christians are under the law of the Spirit. No, not just under, but IN. If you are IN the Spirit, then you are IN the law of the Spirit, and this law of the Spirit is IN you.
So Christians are not without law, they just have a better law than the law of the Old Testament. This law of the Spirit is better in every way. Unlike the written law, it does not stir up our flesh, it does not lead us into condemnation and guilt, it does not easily punish us if we disobey it, and best of all, this law of the Spirit does not depend on our own power and ability, but God's. This law of the Spirit, is none other than the law of the Spirit of the person Jesus Christ, who lived a human life, and died a human death. So unlike the written law, this law of the Spirit somehow understands our weakness, and even sympathizes with us, and does not condemn us for it, but gives us the eternal life which we need to overcome the sinful flesh. So we can immediately see the law of the Spirit is way more powerful and effective than the written law.
The principle , called the law of the Spirit of life, which enabled Jesus Christ to live a sinless and perfect life is now dwelling in every Christian. But we need to activate it by faith, by denying our self, taking our cross (sufferings) and following Christ. The result will be a righteousness that exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees - pure not only in deed, but also in thought and word and heart-intent.

Judaizing Christians, disregard the inward dwelling of the Spirit entirely, and thereby disregard the law of the Spirit - 2 Tim 3:5 "They will hold to an outward form of godliness but deny its power". Outward form - in keeping and upholding the written law, but denying the power of the indwelling Spirit.If we find such a church that preaches and teaches and lives by the law of the Spirit, then we should go to that church. All the rest, that ignore the Spirit, are Judaizing organizations of men. (Matt 23:27)

I Posted the following 3 years ago....

3 Spiritual laws that govern life.

"For I delight in

Law One: ..........The law of God.

after the inward man".....(Romans 7:22)

Paul has nothing but love and respect for God's law. He considers it 'holy, just and good'. It is Paul's earnest and deepest desire to honour that law, and to keep all the commandments,

" but I see another law in my members, warring against the law (of God) of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to...." (v23cont.)

Law Two:..........."The law of sin...

"...which is in my members.

Paul delights in obedience, but finds that in the carnal nature resides a law which makes it impossible, the law of sin. Paul confesses his wretchedness and guilt. "Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" he cries.

"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh, the law of sin." (vs 25)

But if Paul is bound by the law of sin, despite his best intentions to obey the law of God, how then can he overcome? The answer is just 2 verses later. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For...

Law Three:..........the law of the Spirit of life...

in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:1, 2.

Three laws. The law of God which is holy, just, and good.
The law of sin (the Apostle John tells us sin is the transgression against the law of God) which binds the carnal man making it impossible to obey the law of God.
The law of the Spirit of life which through the grace and power of God makes it possible for the reborn child of God to obey the law of God, if he relies on and walks after the Spirit and not after the flesh.

The law of sin has no power over them who are completely surrendered to Christ. That is why elsewhere Paul can assert that to those who walk in the Spirit they are transformed by the renewing of their minds, and are recreated into the image of the character of Christ. A character that is obedient and a mind (like Christ's) which delights in the law of God and rejoices that by faith in the power and grace of God he may be obedient to all the commandments.

 

[DHC]

I Posted the following 3 years ago....

3 Spiritual laws that govern life.

"For I delight in

Law One: ..........The law of God.

after the inward man".....(Romans 7:22)

Paul has nothing but love and respect for God's law. He considers it 'holy, just and good'. It is Paul's earnest and deepest desire to honour that law, and to keep all the commandments,

" but I see another law in my members, warring against the law (of God) of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to...." (v23cont.)

Law Two:..........."The law of sin...

"...which is in my members.

Paul delights in obedience, but finds that in the carnal nature resides a law which makes it impossible, the law of sin. Paul confesses his wretchedness and guilt. "Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" he cries.

"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh, the law of sin." (vs 25)

But if Paul is bound by the law of sin, despite his best intentions to obey the law of God, how then can he overcome? The answer is just 2 verses later. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For...

Law Three:..........the law of the Spirit of life...

in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:1, 2.

Three laws. The law of God which is holy, just, and good.
The law of sin (the Apostle John tells us sin is the transgression against the law of God) which binds the carnal man making it impossible to obey the law of God.
The law of the Spirit of life which through the grace and power of God makes it possible for the reborn child of God to obey the law of God, if he relies on and walks after the Spirit and not after the flesh.

The law of sin has no power over them who are completely surrendered to Christ. That is why elsewhere Paul can assert that to those who walk in the Spirit they are transformed by the renewing of their minds, and are recreated into the image of the character of Christ. A character that is obedient and a mind (like Christ's) which delights in the law of God and rejoices that by faith in the power and grace of God he may be obedient to all the commandments.

Hello Brakelite.

Romans 7
5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.
6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit
and not in the old way of the written code.

Romans 8
3...By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

You are thinking that a law breaker that is given the Holy Spirit and justification. Will then logically become obedient to the law?

Though this is not what the scripture tells us Brakelite. You are making a connection between the two conditions that is not in
the scripture. Your theology is stating that obedience to the law is what God is after, this is not what the scripture tells us.

We die to the law and it's condemnation because our flesh is dead and dying in Jesus Christ. The law targets the flesh and
condemns the flesh. But we are not of the flesh (law breakers), we are of the spirit. Anyone living with the spirit within is not
trying to obey any law. A spiritual person exudes the fruit of the spirit which has nothing to do with the law. Gentleness for
example is a fruit of the spirit and a gentle person could never murder anyone. It is not legal obedience but the outpouring
of the work of the spirit Brakelite. We do not serve God by attention to the written, physical, shadow, earthly law.

 

[Barny]

Barney, what else would you expect other than obedience to the law if God?..

how much obedience to the law is required to prove that one has "imparted" righteousness and thus saved?

 

[NetChaplain]

Until Jesus, those whom God related to were on trial concerning their place with Him according to earthly and natural conditions, wherein God did not enter into their lives to cause them "to desire and to perform of His good pleasure." Then, one could leave God because the Spirit was not yet available to enter and keep them.

Now, those who Jesus relates to are not on trial, and having the Spirit, they will not only continually be enabled to desire God's pleasures (Philip 2:13), but will also be "kept from falling." (Jude 1:24). If one's life eventually evinces a life if sin, it's only because of the Spirit's absence, for without Him the above two works cannot begin to occur.

 

[brakelite]

Your theology is stating that obedience to the law is what God is after, this is not what the scripture tells us.

I agree, and I disagree with that DHC

I agree that scripture does not say that obedience to the law is what God requires of us. ....
.....I disagree that saying such is my theology.

I have repeated many many times, and it seems most here simply dont want to believe it, or think I am lying,so I will do so again it seems for your benefit, and may you please don't forget this....God first and foremost requires a relationship with His people. Eternal life is that we may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom the Father sent. (John 17:3) That is first. That is our priority. Jesus did not say "Keep the commandments". He said abide in Me. The result, the fruit, of that relationship is obedience to God's law.
God first and foremost desires we become like Jesus. (Romans 8:29) The result, the fruit, of becoming like Jesus is obedience to God's law.
God first and foremost desires that we love one another. And the result, the fruit of that love is the fulfilling of the law.
If (first) you love Me, (then) keep My commandments.

1 John 2:3,4 And hereby we do know that we know Him (first) , if we (then) keep His commandments.
He that saith "I know Him" and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Eph 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

 

[brakelite]

how much obedience to the law is required to prove that one has "imparted" righteousness and thus saved?

No-one has to prove anything to anyone, least of all as evidence they are saved. Obedience or righteousness, because it is a fruit, is measured only by the state of your relationship with Christ. You become more like Him, your obedience becomes more closely in harmony with the law.