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Depart from Me, I Never Knew You ~ Meaning of Matthew 7:21-23

If God is perfect, then His will is perfect, His nature is perfect, and His laws (both literal and physical) are perfect. If God does not change, then his Law does not change and it becomes absolute. As we mature in our faith through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, we work toward achieving that state of perfection. Genesis states that we're made in the image of God, but the Devil has made it his goal to discourage us from perfectly knowing what that image is. We are human and prone to falling short of the mark (sin). Therefore our goal is to work toward that mark of perfection which we will receive in the after life, not in our present one.
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but is there anything with which God will not help us if we honestly seek His will?

I think that's the key. If we seek His will. Many aren't seeking His will, but theirs and still expect grace.
 
Hello JoeoBoy.

You asked a very good question below.

But how does one repent from say heresy when they do not know which churches are teaching heresy and which only ONE true church that does not teach heresy ?.....You have all these different type churches and all accuse each other as being heretics and also they all have different views what all other sins are and disagree with each other regarding this using scripture to support their particular view what sin is or not. What type of particular church group do you attend ?

If you need to know what a true church of Christ really is, then according to the scripture, there is one very simple and observable
trait that a true church will exhibit. The apostle Paul mentions this trait frequently in his letters, if this trait is not present, then the
Holy Spirit is not present.

Romans 5:5
and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

Ephesians 1
15 For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints.

Philippians 1
9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment.

Colossians 1
4 since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints;

1 Thessalonains 1
3 constantly bearing in mind your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ

1 Corinthians 13
8 Love never fails...

2 Corinthians 5:14
For the love of Christ controls us...

A simple Gospel and the simple fruit of the Holy Spirit, we already know that God is love, so the goal of the apostles instruction will be?

1 Timothy 1:5
But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

Remember to keep it simple at all times, avoid the satanic confusion, just focus on Christ and the love will abound.
 
Love, like the Name of God, is the most misused word in the dictionary. It remains in obscurity until the character of God is rightly represented revealing its true meaning. God's word holds the only true definition of love, and the only true definition of the true Church whose actions reflect God's character and define love.

Jesus inspired John to write and disclose who the church of God is at the end times, and reveals this church in direction contradistinction to another group of people who while professing to love God cave in to earthly powers, and receive the mark of the beast. Rev 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. " There's the true church, that believes like Jesus does, and has faith like Jesus does. And what do we find them doing, keeping all God's commandments, and worshiping God His way amidst forced religious control and persecution.

1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
This is the only way to know that you love your fellow man, "we know that we love the children of God when... and keep his...
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

And again, here is God's true church, and here are the true church books with the true members enrolled, "Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Anything more than that is a lie, there's where your name must be if your going to be among the number that are saved, earthly books and records hold nothing in the courts above and will be found worthless.

Salvation does not come through a church, it comes through Christ, and if you're not found enrolled here "in Christ" (see John ch. 15) then your lost,
Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire... "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." There's where you're true church is found, IN CHRIST.

Love today without God's Law is a false Gospel friends, it cheapens the grace of God which was paid by the blood of Christ when Jesus made payment for the penalty of transgressing (1 Jn 3:4) the law that He might impower man kind with this wonder gift to "go and sin no more". Anything that allows sin to continue in a disguised form, even in professed churches is not love at all because it allows people to go on to perdition without warning. A false gospel is not love. Love with law and gospel is not love.

All those "In Christ" will hear His voice, and will "follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth..." and will be found in God's true chruch.

Did you know that the true church, and the false church are symbolized as a woman, and the verse below reveals many will be defiled and lost by a false church system that pervades society...

Rev_14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb. .
2Co_11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; ...Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
 
Hello Dee.

When Paul tells us that we are not under the law as below, why do you say we are under the law?

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
 

The 10 commandments are "the law of Liberty" they point out our sin, lead us to the Saviour, who when we ask forgiveness for sin does two Liberating things:

1. Justifies us Legally changes or stance from guilty to righteousness before the law by his blood (death = payment for sin) , and life ( His infinite perfect righteousness which alone meets the claims of the law)
2. Sanctifies us = reclaims us from committing the act of sin, empowers the sinner to "go and sin no more" What a liberator, the law works as a liberator in leading us to Christ.

A. Sanctification Keeps Justification current while the repentant sinner bows in submission to God and praises Him for this marvelous gift of being accepted by God through Christ Justifying Righteousness which occurs even though the repents own best works are "filthy Rags" and will never meet the standard of God for salvation where by we could be saved by the works of the law. Only Christ can do this.

B. Salvation is conditional upon man exercising faith to receive these two parts of Salvation

C. The only thing God can give, when he forgives = gives for, is His righteousness, he takes our sin and gives us His perfect righteousness

D. The righteousness of Christ will not be forced upon anyone, if someone wants forgiveness from condemnation, but doesn't want forgiveness to receive power to stop sinning
then they are telling God they prefer their sin more than Jesus, and need to plead with God for a desire to do even that which that don't have the current desire to do. God loves to answer the prayers that we know we don't have the power to do for ourselves.

E. Those who are under the law are sinners, law breakers, the righteous aren't under the law they are free, an the law is there delight, the disciples, the prophets, and the ancients in the bible loved God's law. David said, "Psa_119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. ...

2Co_3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

2Pe_2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage


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Hello Dee.

In answer to my question regarding Paul's statement (Romans 6:14), you replied with the following statement.

Salvation is conditional upon man exercising faith to receive these two parts of Salvation

This statement you made is incorrect and illogical. Salvation is never conditional Dee, because if salvation was in
any way conditional, then salvation could never be called a free gift. Our salvation is always understood as a free gift
and never something that we can earn.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Eternal life in Jesus Christ is a free gift, in fact Dee, this is what Grace really means. That is why Paul calls the Gospel
of Jesus Christ, the Gospel of Grace (Acts 20:24)

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God

We are saved by the Grace of God and this gift of salvation is absolutely free, no strings attached.
Please note: 'and that not of yourselves', never do we contribute to the gift of salvation.

If you attempt to place a conditional clause upon this free gift of salvation, then you are altering the teaching of the apostle
Paul. If Paul calls it a free gift, then salvation will always be freely available, given to all who call on the name of the Lord!
 
Hello Mikej.

You raised an interesting point about the correct translation of the word 'teleios' in (Matthew 7:48).

There are occasions where English Bible translations have not been perfect.

You said;

On checking the Koine Greek, at first glance it certainly would seem you might be correct.

But there is a problem with translating the Greek word 'teleios' straight into the English word
'mature'.

Here Mike, have a look at the verse again with your suggested translation of 'teleios'.

Matthew 7
48 Therefore you are to be 'mature', as your heavenly Father is 'mature'.

Notice the last section 'as your heavenly Father is mature', this is the first problem Mike.

God by definition never matures, God is and always will be perfect. We now have
a serious issue with your plug and play approach to translation.

The definition of 'teleios' and if you are somewhat familiar with the Greek. You should
notice 'tele' in 'teleios' means extending or travelling to a point. Hence telescope means
to travel or stretch to the full range. So we know that 'teleios' means extending to the
full range or full extent, and to the finish!

So when applied to mankind we can translate 'teleios' as 'mature', i.e., travelling to a
point. When applied to God, we use the word 'perfect' of course. Now for the even tougher
area of the translation of this verse, Mike. The context of the verse needs to be considered by
the translators, to grasp the speaker's intended meaning in this verse.

You 'are to be' as your 'Father is', the sentence is instructing the listeners to reflect the
Father, to the full extent of perfection. It is not saying be mature to some undefined level
of goodness. The level is set at the Father's perfect state. You are to be .... as God is ....

You are to be at the extended level as the Father's extended level, which is absolute perfection.

Hence Mike, I am forced to agree with the standard translations of the Koine Greek.

I checked twenty one translations and twenty of these translations use the English word 'perfect'.

Context will and always will, determine the correct translation of any verse in the Bible.
Koine Greek words do change in meaning depending on the context.
In context; you or myself will never be the extention of perfection in context to gods perfection.to have the mind set that maturity is somehow a misguided understatement of gods perfection is a non point it is surely a part of his perfection.As to the main topic of this thread depart from me ya that do iniquity. Let the original language explain its self in (context) this word iniquity is the Greek word anomia = a transgression of law.is root word from which anomia derives its understanding is nomas = destitute of the law of Moses. This can only mean these people they are being told depart from me he that are without the law of Moses.You can't make it mean anything else. Only those how do not understand the law what it could or could not do will try to argue the point out of ignorance only.this is why his last words were forgive them father for they know not what they do.you can not cherry pick the Greek language if a pastor would read the entire New Testament in the original he would find traditional Christianity has its differences with the holly spirit of TRUTH.untill you have translated the entire bible to the original language and know what it really say you know not the truth if you know some but not all of the truth you may truly not have the holly spirit only a imagination of what you think it is.would be glad to explain this further to anyone please email [email protected]
 
In context; you or myself will never be the extention of perfection in context to gods perfection.to have the mind set that maturity is somehow a misguided understatement of gods perfection is a non point it is surely a part of his perfection.As to the main topic of this thread depart from me ya that do iniquity. Let the original language explain its self in (context) this word iniquity is the Greek word anomia = a transgression of law.is root word from which anomia derives its understanding is nomas = destitute of the law of Moses. This can only mean these people they are being told depart from me he that are without the law of Moses.You can't make it mean anything else. Only those how do not understand the law what it could or could not do will try to argue the point out of ignorance only.this is why his last words were forgive them father for they know not what they do.you can not cherry pick the Greek language if a pastor would read the entire New Testament in the original he would find traditional Christianity has its differences with the holly spirit of TRUTH.untill you have translated the entire bible to the original language and know what it really say you know not the truth if you know some but not all of the truth you may truly not have the holly spirit only a imagination of what you think it is.would be glad to explain this further to anyone please email [email protected]
Further more the spirit of the law is in the ancieant Hebrew within the first five books.if one does not take this learning on themselves then you have only yourself to blame.example if you read Lev 12:16 in ancieant Hebrew you can see the savior then and there.what you think is the New Testament is not new at all the word new should read refreshed. Seeing the New Testament is 87% repeated from the Old Testament.Sooooo if someone had to tell you twice it's only because you didn't hear it right the first time.yes salvation is the most important thing to know. Yes I keep sabbath Passover Shavuot and the fest of tabernacles not to be save but because I am saved. Not the birth day of sol invictus dec25.or Eshtar Sunday yes the fertility Godest of spring .to reconcile this to gods will is the spirit of anti Christ.the lord did not come to give you the good news and use grace as the vehicle to abrogate one jot. The problem is in how you read the commandments/law what your preconceived notions are truth is you can colse over it and think the commandments were done away with. I can only tell you in the original languages the idea is simply not there. I can put a name place and time on every so called change tradition clames I honestly tell you it did not come from God.
 
Hello Mike.

Well Mike, I do disagree with what you have stated in post #69 and post #70.

To keep it simple Mike, let's examine the following statement of yours below.

The problem is in how you read the commandments/law what your preconceived
notions are truth is you can colse over it and think the commandments were done away with.

The scripture is very clear that both the Jews and the Gentiles are under Grace, and not under the law of Mt Sinai.

Romans 6:14
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

Galatians 2:19
For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.

Galatians 5:18
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

The law of Mt Sinai was intended for the unrighteous and was never intended for the righteous, Mike.
 
Further more the spirit of the law is in the ancieant Hebrew within the first five books.if one does not take this learning on themselves then you have only yourself to blame.example if you read Lev 12:16 in ancieant Hebrew you can see the savior then and there.what you think is the New Testament is not new at all the word new should read refreshed. Seeing the New Testament is 87% repeated from the Old Testament.Sooooo if someone had to tell you twice it's only because you didn't hear it right the first time.yes salvation is the most important thing to know. Yes I keep sabbath Passover Shavuot and the fest of tabernacles not to be save but because I am saved. Not the birth day of sol invictus dec25.or Eshtar Sunday yes the fertility Godest of spring .to reconcile this to gods will is the spirit of anti Christ.the lord did not come to give you the good news and use grace as the vehicle to abrogate one jot. The problem is in how you read the commandments/law what your preconceived notions are truth is you can colse over it and think the commandments were done away with. I can only tell you in the original languages the idea is simply not there. I can put a name place and time on every so called change tradition clames I honestly tell you it did not come from God.

Mike.. when was the last time you stoned an adulterer to death, as commanded by the law?
And when was the last time you put someone to death for breaking the sabbath, as commanded by the law?
Didn't Christ say "It is finished"?

There is a very good way to obey God. Obey the teachings of Christ found in the New Testament!
And obey the teachings of the Apostles found in the New Testament.

There book of Leviticus is a beautiful thing, and the Law of God that was given to Moses was an amazing, Heavenly, divine, beautiful thing. However...

"Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises."
Hebrews 8:3-6



So, I ask you, Has one jot or tittle fallen from the law? If you say "No", then you are denying that the law commands animal sacrifice. But because the law did demand animal sacrifice, and because animal sacrifice has been FULFILLED (notice I did not say that animal sacrifice has not been abolished or done away with - but it has been fulfilled). Therefore, you do accept that a jot and tittle has fallen! But yet you try to hold up the rest of it? On what grounds? The law is a whole, it cannot be separated. The Old covenant was one, The New Covenant is another. The Old covenant was not abolished... It was fulfilled!
 
Mike.. when was the last time you stoned an adulterer to death, as commanded by the law?
And when was the last time you put someone to death for breaking the sabbath, as commanded by the law?
Didn't Christ say "It is finished"?

There is a very good way to obey God. Obey the teachings of Christ found in the New Testament!
And obey the teachings of the Apostles found in the New Testament.

There book of Leviticus is a beautiful thing, and the Law of God that was given to Moses was an amazing, Heavenly, divine, beautiful thing. However...

"Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises."
Hebrews 8:3-6



So, I ask you, Has one jot or tittle fallen from the law? If you say "No", then you are denying that the law commands animal sacrifice. But because the law did demand animal sacrifice, and because animal sacrifice has been FULFILLED (notice I did not say that animal sacrifice has not been abolished or done away with - but it has been fulfilled). Therefore, you do accept that a jot and tittle has fallen! But yet you try to hold up the rest of it? On what grounds? The law is a whole, it cannot be separated. The Old covenant was one, The New Covenant is another. The Old covenant was not abolished... It was fulfilled!
First thing I can tell right way you have never read the Old Testament in aienciant Hebrew if you did partially you would know the book of Leviticus was never about animal sacrifice but to introduce Israel to there lord and savior they missed him because of the same reasoning you have.it is not saying waht you are reading at all.this may saline confusing to you because of your own lack of study in the original language.do you own a ancieant Hebrew lexicon or know the language. Please answer yes or no. And be truthful if you don't get one take classes or what ever it takes to learn.then you don't have to debate or dispute anything I say. Untill you take this upon yourself this discussion is useless.you can't take a blind man to the ocean and ask him to describe what it looks like.pretaining to the law if you think it has been abrogated please read Zechariah chapter 14 look what is going on this is clearly in the millennial kingdom. And Ezekiel chapter 43 yes the whole chapter there will be animal sacrifice in the future kingdom. If you can honestly say no then the truth is not in you. So let me get this right as the way you see it God gave his commandment to have then done away with by the Roman church only to find ourselves doing them in the kingdom now how much sense does that make.it is a book of example of no private interpretation if it is what is the examples for? The law was given to define sin it could never save anyone in of itself so yes if I seek to be justified by the law you have fallen from grace. The word justify here means to be rendered innocent. because I know the law I know it could never render anyone inocent .it was never designed to do that in the first place. Because of ignorance of the law as to what it could or could not do is why the accusation is made.further more when it says Jesus was the end of the law the word end really means (goal) so that kinda throws things on its head a bit dosent it. His goal through the law was to make known the mysteries of heaven so you sir could enter the narrow gate as that Royal Preisthood you were called to be. Not to be told depart from me he that are without the law of Moses here's a tip in context find the root word of this iniquity it's is anomas.you can't make it say anything different than it says. So there is your slam dunk of Matthew 7:21 to 23. Do a little word study on this iniquity it is the Greek word anomia strongs [HASHTAG]#458[/HASHTAG] its root word from were it derives it understanding is strongs# 459 anomas destitute of the law of Moses.oh yes it is in context the dictionary does this for you or it would simply say you were wrong as in the other kind of iniquity spoken of in other verses. Hey ol buddy i didn't make this stuff up it is what it says it is.if you don't understand it there is a reason most times it starts with the idol of self. Oh and fulfilled when you track it back you will find it is a contenuation of segments to the completion untill heave and earth pass .not the total whole of the sum as you may thing happened two thousand years ago.Just saying
 
I am unqualified to reply unless I own a ancient hebrew lexicon?

If I do not believe that there will be animal sacrifices to God in Heaven, then the truth (The Holy Spirit) is not in me?

And if I do not agree with you about all this, then I am worshiping the idol of my own self?
 
I am unqualified to reply unless I own a ancient hebrew lexicon?

If I do not believe that there will be animal sacrifices to God in Heaven, then the truth (The Holy Spirit) is not in me?

And if I do not agree with you about all this, then I am worshiping the idol of my own self?
I didn't mean to insult you I really didn't that was not my aim at all. I just read your post addressed to me and answered like wise. What I always try to do is add a little shock value. What imean is if I kinda step on someone's toes a little. It may make them mad enough to look deeper into things for there own good. Yes I said mad or tuff love . It it gets you to really study then I have done what I set out to do. It's not important you bleieve me its when you know for yourself then and only then you have no need that no man teach you.i am sorry if I sounded like I was superior trust me I'm not. Your welfair is my biggest concern. You know as well as I do when you listen to most people the repete what they heard instead of what it actually said. What it actually said is what I believe. To tell you the truth the bible is written in a way so that some will never understand by design. And yes in every case in every person the reason is self . Please try to study all 613 commandments learn what they could or could not do how many applied to you or to a women to the Preisthood. Then read Romans and Galatians then the light will come on in a big way.if your like most you read and something sounds contradictory from one verse to another.it will continue to as long as you don't know the law. Plus the bible does not tell you if it is speaking of the traditional oral Talmudic law or if it is referring to the law of Moses. At the time in Jesus day it was predominantly taught and became as the law of Moses but it was that they added unto it untill no one could understand but the scribes and Pharisees which left them in control of gods will .that is why Jesus spoke out soany time against it not the law of Moses this is why Paul said do we then make void the law God forbid we establish it.hope this cleared some things up ol buddy
 
I didn't mean to insult you I really didn't that was not my aim at all. I just read your post addressed to me and answered like wise. What I always try to do is add a little shock value. What imean is if I kinda step on someone's toes a little. It may make them mad enough to look deeper into things for there own good. Yes I said mad or tuff love . It it gets you to really study then I have done what I set out to do. It's not important you bleieve me its when you know for yourself then and only then you have no need that no man teach you.i am sorry if I sounded like I was superior trust me I'm not. Your welfair is my biggest concern. You know as well as I do when you listen to most people the repete what they heard instead of what it actually said. What it actually said is what I believe. To tell you the truth the bible is written in a way so that some will never understand by design. And yes in every case in every person the reason is self . Please try to study all 613 commandments learn what they could or could not do how many applied to you or to a women to the Preisthood. Then read Romans and Galatians then the light will come on in a big way.if your like most you read and something sounds contradictory from one verse to another.it will continue to as long as you don't know the law. Plus the bible does not tell you if it is speaking of the traditional oral Talmudic law or if it is referring to the law of Moses. At the time in Jesus day it was predominantly taught and became as the law of Moses but it was that they added unto it untill no one could understand but the scribes and Pharisees which left them in control of gods will .that is why Jesus spoke out soany time against it not the law of Moses this is why Paul said do we then make void the law God forbid we establish it.hope this cleared some things up ol buddy
 
Mikej..

tell me, has Jesus fulfilled the law?

what did He mean when He shouted out "It is finished!" on the cross?

are we still under the Old Covenant?

do we need to sacrifice animals to God as offerings for our sin?



even more so, please, tell me, are you obeying this Law =



"If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then turns against her,and charges her with shameful deeds and publicly defames her, and says, 'I took this woman, but when I came near her, I did not find her a virgin,' then the girl's father and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of the girl's virginity to the elders of the city at the gate.The girl's father shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man for a wife, but he turned against her;and behold, he has charged her with shameful deeds, saying, "I did not find your daughter a virgin." But this is the evidence of my daughter's virginity.' And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. So the elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him,and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give it to the girl's father, because he publicly defamed a virgin of Israel. And she shall remain his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days. But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you"


Are you stoning to death adulterers, and homosexuals, and people who break the sabbath?

If you are not stoning to death people who are breaking these commands, then you my friend are not following the Law of Moses!!!!!!!
 
Mikej..

tell me, has Jesus fulfilled the law?

what did He mean when He shouted out "It is finished!" on the cross?

are we still under the Old Covenant?

do we need to sacrifice animals to God as offerings for our sin?



even more so, please, tell me, are you obeying this Law =



"If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then turns against her,and charges her with shameful deeds and publicly defames her, and says, 'I took this woman, but when I came near her, I did not find her a virgin,' then the girl's father and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of the girl's virginity to the elders of the city at the gate.The girl's father shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man for a wife, but he turned against her;and behold, he has charged her with shameful deeds, saying, "I did not find your daughter a virgin." But this is the evidence of my daughter's virginity.' And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. So the elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him,and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give it to the girl's father, because he publicly defamed a virgin of Israel. And she shall remain his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days. But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you"


Are you stoning to death adulterers, and homosexuals, and people who break the sabbath?

If you are not stoning to death people who are breaking these commands, then you my friend are not following the Law of Moses!!!!!!!
Read all you just wrote in ancieant Hebrew them get back to me. You may find the answer to your own question. If not I can answer the question for you
 
Mikej..

tell me, has Jesus fulfilled the law?

what did He mean when He shouted out "It is finished!" on the cross?

are we still under the Old Covenant?

do we need to sacrifice animals to God as offerings for our sin?



even more so, please, tell me, are you obeying this Law =



"If any man takes a wife and goes in to her and then turns against her,and charges her with shameful deeds and publicly defames her, and says, 'I took this woman, but when I came near her, I did not find her a virgin,' then the girl's father and her mother shall take and bring out the evidence of the girl's virginity to the elders of the city at the gate.The girl's father shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man for a wife, but he turned against her;and behold, he has charged her with shameful deeds, saying, "I did not find your daughter a virgin." But this is the evidence of my daughter's virginity.' And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. So the elders of that city shall take the man and chastise him,and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give it to the girl's father, because he publicly defamed a virgin of Israel. And she shall remain his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days. But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you"


Are you stoning to death adulterers, and homosexuals, and people who break the sabbath?

If you are not stoning to death people who are breaking these commands, then you my friend are not following the Law of Moses!!!!!!!
Short answer ; you do know God said he would do away with all sin.does he not say for sin is the transgression of the law ? Do you think there will be adultery in the kningdom of heaven ? If people were stoned do you beleive they might think more about right and wrong ? You by your question come with the idea that sin is acceptable or a part of human nature that people can't help from doing. If you or the woman knew the law you or she would not do such things.then the law itself could still be in full force and effect without the penalty or the curse.because of ignorance people do sin that is why he gave his life because of there ignorance of the law.simply put if you know it you do do it. What is left is pure undefiled love for the lord your God because the law is no more your school master because you KNOW IT.Finally IF SHE KNEW SHE WOULD NOT HAVE DONE WHAT SHE DID . Most would never read Leviticus 16:12 like this: And he shall carry away breaking the fear in continuation of segments the glowing strong pressing down into the sacrifice of the continuing blood.to turn the face of God and his hands which fill the whole of his breath as a offering crushed to bring forth the continuing blood to break the down the dividing wall. This is in Ancieant Hebrew so do you see now some of what was lost in translation ? Please don't come at me with any more crazy ideas as to the law of being of no effect it just is not true.why would you want to teach such blasphemy.I tell you the book is written in such away that without wisdom and knowledge you will maintain your ideas.good day
 
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