Do we have freewill ? did we have freewill since the beginning ?

[Twistie]

So are you saying JESUS did not know what they would do before he created them , neither His FATHER knew their destination before his Son created them according to The FATHERS command and design and purpose. And are not things going as they have been Decreed and Ordain BY "THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE GOD ALMIGHTY" and on time and have not skip a beat? or is GOD having problems with anybody, that things are not happening according to His decree?

Now think, before you answer. slow , like pouring "Molasses", being pour out of a jar, on a cool Sunday morning, in October when the trees start turning in "Autumn colors" as you search the skies. now pause right there and think, about GOD and HIS wisdom and His KNOWLEDGE and WHO He IS . And How he is Beyond POWER, HE hands Out Power, like CANDY in HIS POCKET!

Did anything YH created have the right to disobey lol nope but are we able to yep cause we all did
Did YH know we would Yep
So why did He create all this
Perhaps to do just as He is because He wanted to
Who can phantom His infinite reason n wisdom n Love not I I know that much
I see free will of having a choice
I had a choice not to go buck wild when I entered in the world but I did
N Yet that whole time He left me do what I wanted how I wanted neva forced me to go astray but neva forced me to stay put
My choices gotten me in a whole lot trouble n I've done much evil with my free will
I didn't have to have the travel agency robbed I didn't have to b involved in robbing 7 elevens n gas stations yet I did n through it all He was there
I didn't have to do a lot of things but He loved me enough to create me anyways tho He new how evil I would b n the same thing for all the rest of the world
We have a choice

But real question is

Why does One Love Him?

Are we learning to do good?

See if one Loves Him for what they think they can get out of Him they r simply following in the way of Cain

So in short no we had no right to b disobedient to YH to make Him small in our Lives

Twistie

 

[emanuel88]

Because one you have since Adam " Choice " he can choose and not like the devil you can change your tinking that everything is decide you have to think outside the box ! People here the conlflict so many people is your freewill because everything is predestined you think you never had any choice God gave you A choice ! You were sent here by God A long time ago for God said he met you and knew you before you were concieved in your mother's womb. You ahve planned God sent you, you don't know it ! Yet. Were all part of God's divine plan and when he sent you here before you came to this world he gave A mission ! What is your mission or purpose ?
You can decide to use God's will, holy spirit , God's plan (it's all separeted but works for his plan at the end!) and love in his mission your purpose or don't know and live in ignorance an sin ! He give you choice and does not force yourself to do his bidding if so you would not have fredom to choose also from JEsus salvation which he agve freely from love !

 

[emanuel88]

Instinct is part of freewill but also consciousness you feel there for you exist you talk therefore you exist.

God said that man has eaten of the fruti of good and evil and said Genesis 3:22

22Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil. And now, lest he reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever...”

Be like god and the angels who knew good and evil !

Man is not God but it's show we can interact in good and evil but still it is that we can do why people ? Understand the freewill is biblical and is before our creation and it existed in one individual I do not like talking about but in " Lucifer ". He had freewill and unlike it was impossible for angels by many theologist for angels to concieve freedom and think for themselves proves the same questions exist before us with angels and they had choice and could escape their destiny and Lucifer chosed wrong. Lesson that our minds do come in question whether your free or you prisioner of yourself to be free is A mentality and put in God's way in his hands gives you freedom !

 

[emanuel88]

Ellis Bell said :
Maybe this will help (I believe the man, L. Ray Smith, who authored this website is deceased)
The Myth of Free-Will Exposed
"Free will does not actually and literally mean that one can make choices, create, change his mind, or reformulate ideas and data, etc., but that those choices and thought processes must themselves be free thoughts and free choices. "Free will" is only true if our choices are also free. But free from what? Why, free from being forced upon us against our will, or free from being caused by anyone or anything except our OWN will. And so, yes, man can think, process data, make choices, change his choices, etc. But none of these activities are free from internal or external CAUSES.
<snip>
Up until the very last day with their Lord, the apostles all believed that they possessed the power of free will, which could enable them to choose their own destiny, and that they could and would have the strength of self determinism and free will to maintain that course. But Jesus told His disciples that they would all forsake Him. In other words, Jesus was foretelling of events that would cause (even "force,' if you will) them to change their wills, against their previously stated wills. They of course, all denied that Jesus knew what He was talking about."
I've had people in my life that would not do me any favors, change their minds and help me with situations. It's really odd to watch, cause it's like, what just happened?

 

[joestue]

I've had people in my life that would not do me any favors, change their minds and help me with situations. It's really odd to watch, cause it's like, what just happened?

About 6 months My wife and I both felt something in the spiritual realm influencing other people to change their plans on us.

Was a strange experience...

 

[emanuel88]

Yes, life has strange moments all aprt of the plan of G-d.

 

[hksnyder]

Did anything YH created have the right to disobey lol nope but are we able to yep cause we all did
Did YH know we would Yep
So why did He create all this
Perhaps to do just as He is because He wanted to
Who can phantom His infinite reason n wisdom n Love not I I know that much
I see free will of having a choice
I had a choice not to go buck wild when I entered in the world but I did
N Yet that whole time He left me do what I wanted how I wanted neva forced me to go astray but neva forced me to stay put
My choices gotten me in a whole lot trouble n I've done much evil with my free will
I didn't have to have the travel agency robbed I didn't have to b involved in robbing 7 elevens n gas stations yet I did n through it all He was there
I didn't have to do a lot of things but He loved me enough to create me anyways tho He new how evil I would b n the same thing for all the rest of the world
We have a choice

But real question is

Why does One Love Him?

Are we learning to do good?

See if one Loves Him for what they think they can get out of Him they r simply following in the way of Cain

So in short no we had no right to b disobedient to YH to make Him small in our Lives

Twistie

Well said brother. Peace.

 

[Twistie]

Because one you have since Adam " Choice " he can choose and not like the devil you can change your tinking that everything is decide you have to think outside the box ! People here the conlflict so many people is your freewill because everything is predestined you think you never had any choice God gave you A choice ! You were sent here by God A long time ago for God said he met you and knew you before you were concieved in your mother's womb. You ahve planned God sent you, you don't know it ! Yet. Were all part of God's divine plan and when he sent you here before you came to this world he gave A mission ! What is your mission or purpose ?
You can decide to use God's will, holy spirit , God's plan (it's all separeted but works for his plan at the end!) and love in his mission your purpose or don't know and live in ignorance an sin ! He give you choice and does not force yourself to do his bidding if so you would not have fredom to choose also from JEsus salvation which he agve freely from love !

N YH always gives us a way out sometimes the right thing can b the hardest thing to do

 

[Twistie]

Well said brother. Peace.

Imma sister Twistie

 

[Bill]

Curtis said:

Angels have the ability to choose, but they were not given the right to choose. This is why there is no salvation for angels.
Humans have the ability to choose and were given the right to choose.
Twistie replies:

I see it as the the angels also had free will free to choose YH or free to choose their own path n I believe there's no repentance for them for they were in YHs glorious presence when they went astray

I have a question for you in regards to the Fallen Angels. In the beginning of the Scripture it reads that Satan and one third of the Angels fell from heaven. Then later when it talks about Satan being thrown into the abyss, it states that Satan and his followers will go into the abyss.

There is another thing that I thought was very curious in scripture in regards to Fallen angels. And that was when Jesus was casting them out of a man they screamed to Jesus saying are you going to destroy us before our time. And Jesus showed Mercy to them by throwing them into a bunch of pigs.

If Jesus can show Mercy to the Fallen Angels then I think we should have some mercy for them too in our thinking.

 

[emanuel88]

No, never what Jesus does is his heirarchy as G-d and creator no fallen angel will ask you if your going to bring end times. It is good to hav forgivness in humans we are in tha category we are not rfallen angels the fallen angels can never be repented or forgivne they are forever condemned.We can have pity and but in case we ever meet one and like spiritual exorcism in the internet we cannot ever have mercy or be nice to them because they will trick you. No sympathy for the devil or his song they have fallen what they want is to trick us. remember we are not A part of the devila nd G-d's war he will win he is destined to win but are we to be aprt of his war no we must be his witness ? we must let G-d Judge them . We must not let the demon have any ground in our discussion of even having love, affection, or mercy ! Our stance must be always firm te devils cannot be forgivne niether can they be saved only Jesus saved us not them.

Some have made music in modern world even some say he is the one who rebbeled against G-d and G-d is the bad guy which isn' t true. We must never be nice to the devil or have mercy uto the devils they wanted to destroy G-d we would not be part of them their mistakes aren't ours.

 

[emanuel88]

Let us remember to use our own freewil you know and not use the model lucifer did in his rebbelion we are not the same we will not be judge the same we have repentance and freedom to choose they failed and coveted the powere God posses we must not look for that but be humble in acccept his will and we will do what God intended us before the fall of man and love God with all our heart and love thy neghbor and complete the purpose we were made in Eden and fulfill it today by making earth like heaven by singing and loving and praying being A witness of him and being like Jesus. And when the lord judges the devil in end times he will say you were faithful and did not participate in the world but seperated in spiritual way and keep helping in the world but thinking of Jesus all the time.

Know their will A be time G-d will give justice to what the devil did to this world and all those who worship the world will put things in G-d's hand and not use thier own efforts but in his. Love like Jesus and be the second Adam. It is not easy but little by you become it and all efforts matter up the hill. We must deny ourselve and put him first and doing so we do his will and our choice in him. Secrets are in praying, singing and loving he reveals to us later.

 

[joestue]

If Jesus can show Mercy to the Fallen Angels then I think we should have some mercy for them too in our thinking.

There may be human-demon hybrid spirits that can be separated.

But I don't know what having mercy for demons or fallen angels accomplishes.


As for Emmanuel88, i can't understand long run on sentences.

 

[emanuel88]

it's okay Joestue other people did understand I have deeper understanding of the torah and bible and putting things in G-d's hands people don't know what it is !

 

[joestue]

I have deeper understanding of the torah and bible and putting things in G-d's hands people don't know what it is !

You must get along with ploughboy real well.

 

[emanuel88]

Ploughboy is A genius !

 

[joestue]

Or a smug person who makes no attempt to reach those who do not groke his vernacular.

 

[MJ-TIC]

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We have freewill God lets us decide to do good or bad and our purpose in life is when we make that decision. it's easy to not know that purpose because we are different. But freewill God gives it but he also gives us the law and the law is not wrong and niether is freewill just soceity itself is wrong and we have forgotten what is the normal back in those days. Society mistakes and thinks G-d is against freewill but gave freewill the right to choose and they have invented freewill is voting, paying taxes, and civics duties.

No people those things are the mistake modern society makes because they think they have evolved in such A way they surpass all of Israel back in those day but truth G-d is fair and gave us all. We have lost what is important love because human society is wrong and it's foundation is false and invented by masons.

G-d created it all the rocks, the atmosphere, everything has been giving and from all that we have built buildings and empires everything we have built has come from him modern world is our work and act but we do not acknowledge them we take the glory and everything for we are sinful. The concept of government we have created but we emulated it from G-d and his kingdom the order G-d has it first, the structure he establish since the dawn of the universe.

We have created rights but we cannot use our rights agaisnt G-d and say he has violated them or civic manner say our freedom and establishment of our democracy hits against G-d and his kingdom. For he has the kingdom and the law. The law of his word and we do not have that for G-d gave us words but we are babylon the law is only his. Nor it belongs to hebrew people, eunuchs, or angels it only belongs to him to judge.

Our own system is flaw because we copy from each empire that has been establish Babylon, Rome, Greece, Britian, and Nazi Germany. Each has given its concept of right and law and all have copied each other and failed. Because again bible has establish that G-d and his system works and we with our notion of democracy and rights have copied on Rome and Babylon and they are wrong.

The most important things that because we have technology which has help us after world war 2 we think we have surpass it all and enter the digitla world and we circumvalent our promblems of family, corruption, and normal things we had before the 1950's and think we are gods. And we want to be eternal and to be like powerful like G-d because it is what we have always been thinking because all of it is copy. When we are original and have the right system like he does everything works but our government and system does not because we are with flaws and our own boundaries aren't the solutions they are A reminder that we will never have A perfect system thus our rights and belief in them cannot be the truth.

The freewill is revealed that there is A difference from freewill with G-d on accepting the right and wrong and succeeding in that way and from freewill from our modern concept which has failed and clashes with G-d's law which is right and truth and unless we do not use our rights against G-d freewill is that what we make only A lie and it existence false.

Freewill from that point of view is that of society and since society has masonry in it and all foundations of masonery is babylon and Dagon it compells people to make G-d like unfair despotism but you cannot apply that to G-d for he is G-d and he is God of Gods those words are just feeble people who make laws copying the old empires and fallacy arrives in it's policy.

There is A way government can follow G-d's politics but that will be another day. But people and society will always collapse confronting and using thier rights and saying there is no freewill when you have to one understand things from G-d's point of view understand what serveth the law, how the law is completed thru love and how faith as A tool helps you make A better realtionship with G-d.

When you find the truth and love in his way that G-d establish thru Jesus Christ you understand A secret way which freewill co-exist with G-d and love is what that bound unites it and makes freewill work but not under modern society but thru G-d mosaic law and know that is true freewill has been given to you but from the stance of modern world and republics establish go into error. I will explain more but have did A lot.

No matter how much we want to do something out of our freewill, we will reach a consequence. A good decision would make us reach to a good consequence, a bad decision would take to a bad consequence but the destiny would be same as it is decided by the Lord himself. We will reach our destiny (as decided by Him) but we will reach their by finding the good or bad in us, It's in our hands.
He doesn't put the evil in us, it's US who chose the wrong path and destroy the good in us. So, one has to work on himself. We can not get away in the name of Free will, can we?

 

[emanuel88]

We can always we repent do not sin and do they two commadnemtns and love like Jesus. Know he loves us forgives it's never later to repent but remember God forgives but time doesn't not ! Ask for it now and you can put things in God' ways.

 

[emanuel88]

Or a smug person who makes no attempt to reach those who do not groke his vernacular.

Joestue I apolgize if I offended you know i'm mean no disrespect to you sir.