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Has tongues ceased today?

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I know plenty of missionaries who speak in tongues, but you have to look outside of the denominations that forbid speaking in tongues to find them.

Why should God bless someone with a spiritual gift when they are totally against it? You have to seek and desire the spiritual gifts, not condemn them and call it of the devil. Christianity without the gifts, works and government of HolySpirit is just another weak religion, like scientology, mormonism, catholicism, unitarianism, judaism, hinduism, buddhism and islam.
 
I don't think Christians that speak in tongues do it because of the devil. Although, tongues were used in pagan religions, not everyone that does it isn't doing it because of the devil. Even though I don't believe in speaking in tongues, does that make my faith in Jesus weak? Jesus Christ convicted my heart in 2002 and saved me from an eternal hell. I believe in Jesus Christ and put my trust in Him.

When I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, I received the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit leads and guides me and I know that because I feel conviction when I sin and I feel God's presence.
 
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I don't think Christians that speak in tongues do it because of the devil. Although, tongues were used in pagan religions, not everyone that does it isn't doing it because of the devil. Even though I don't believe in speaking in tongues, does that make my faith in Jesus weak? Jesus Christ convicted my heart in 2002 and saved me from an eternal hell. I believe in Jesus Christ and put my trust in Him.

When I accepted Jesus Christ as my savior, I received the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit leads and guides me and I know that because I feel conviction when I sin and I feel God's presence.

Please don't misunderstand my post, first off it wasn't directed at you personally. Secondly because you do not believe in speaking in tongues, it doesn't mean your faith is weak by any means but it does mean that your spiritual understanding and knowledge is by no means full.

Cody don't misunderstand me, I have seen the show boating when it comes to the charismatic and pentecostal movements and I am embarrased for them. but I also have witnessed as much or more the stiffling dead powerless religion of many baptist, methodist, lutherans, catholics and so on. Nether of them pleases God, period. What I have seen in both is simple carnality and nothing impressive at all. I am however fascinated by the power, character and works of HolySpirit sovereignly and through Jesus' renmant of believers and overcomers.
 
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I feel the Holy Spirit in my church also. When the preacher starts preaching about Jesus Christ or anything in the Bible, we get fired up just like you do, but not in the same way. There is people in my church that stand up and raise their hands up and praise the Lord and there is people saying Amen and Praise God. I get edification from my church and the gospel is preached. And I would never dare say that any other denomination is spiritless. If your church preaches that Jesus is the son of God, then God Bless you.
 
My church is the body of Christ, I don't participate in any of the christian religious instution's liturgy.

Ok well let's get back on track with the OP of the thread, the gift of tongues ceased. looking forward to your post concerning your revelation of tongues and prophecy being ceased. God bless you Cody.
 
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Any true believer in Jesus Christ is in the body of Christ, no matter what earthly denomination. I don't practice any traditions or anything like that.
 
Cody,

Acts 2 does not firmly state that the apostles were speaking in tongues. It says that the people were hearing their words in their native languages. It may be that the apostles were speaking in their native Galileean dialect, but God was doing a miracle in the hearing of the people.


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Let me tell you this, this kind of talk has to be like the number one thing in Christianity that modern Christian often debate as usually everyday. Why? Well I don’t see it in real life but I do see it everyday on the internet and I bet you that around this moment in world wide internationally are having a same exact debated conversation that we are having here.

There are tongue believers and there are non tongue believers to what I call as a illustration and as for both of them, they do try to prove a point which means that non tongue believers has a options to belief it or not but the title for tongues has been vanish away is not a fact. It is a opinion not fact amen so as far as history goes; Let me explain on this one y’all. Well the reason why speaking in tongues was not around until it was reported around 1817 in Germany in a church and the people there set to believed that it is of God until it was no longer heard until a movement came in the 1900’s which is call the Pentecostal movement. I believed they really allowed for the Holy Spirit to have his way in the church which means us not the church building because in the early churches which is not the true church of God was so man made and it was very very traditional that it was no room for the Holy Spirit to come and to let God to have his way in.

Jesus said that we will speak in new tongues when are baptized! God did not changes, he is still a same God when the day of Pentecost and that was the day when Christianity was born and that power and that operation is still here to this very moment. Unlike prophecy, it has changes people and I remember my pastor gave me a prophetic word that he said that God says he going to do this and God did it right on and there and I was very familiar to what he said.

The gift of the Holy Spirit is very needed for ministry and help to lift up the church and the people and the lost soul of this world because this is why many evangelist that belong to the Pentecostal or a charismatic movement are no joke because that why you see many people give there life to Jesus because having a gift of the spirit is really powerful because that mean God is using you.
Like this one example, at my church we had a revival back in may where we was evangelizing the area and we meant this man and I believed it led my pastor to him and this man was homeless and he said that the other day he was beat up and he show us his big scares on his head when he took off his hat so there was some prophecy and laying of hand because this man did not want have anything to do with Christian or church stuff until the holy spirit lead him (my pastor) and this is how this man was wondering why he was crying and my pastor explain to him that it was the love of God and he got delivered in that point and then he got save in that point so then we invite him to are church and he did came to are church late because he said that he want to the polices station to give up his gun because on that same day he was going to shoot himself to death. So it very important to have God to have his way… That is the fire of God meaning the power of God.

Thats what led to this word of God.
He gave some apostles; and some prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry....... Ephesians 4
 
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THE CHURCH has not changed!
The first church is no different than , NOW!
The real difference is the teachings and understandings.

We will not receive much from the HOLY GHOST without believing first it is real .
Then ? We must believe itb
is for us and GOD wants us to have it!

Then we live it as if it is seen in our lives!

Yes all the gifts sings and wonders are ours !

Of course, He anoints some for certain works .


But, Can use any in any way!

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.


1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1Co 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
1Co 14:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:




Luk 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

FAITH to recieve of GOD and FAITH to give to others spiritual blessings!:love:
 
I'm sorry, but the roman catholic, orthodox catholic, or the orthodox churches or any other different ones that relate the catholic body was not one of the true early churches, but they are not the true church of God accept the first church which is the day of Pentecost but those latter early churches was not the true church of God as can see here because they stuck with this man made, pagan, some form of witchcraft, and very traditional that put no room for Holy Ghost to have his way. No wonder those church seem pretty dead... :\

This is why the protestant movement was born because they protest against the false churches 300 years ago.

Some History, some of somes did not always happen in the 1900's

Twentieth-century Pentecostalism was not the earliest instance of "speaking in tongues" in church history; rather, there were antecedents in several centuries of the Christian era, e.g.

150 AD - Justin Martyr wrote “For the prophetical gifts remain with us, even to this present time.” [1] and “Now, it is possible to see amongst us women and men who possess gifts of the Spirit of God;”

[2]
156-172: Heretic Montanus and the women that followed him - Maximilla and Priscilla - were speaking in tongues and were trying to prove that they were true prophets. For this purpose they used a list with prophets from the times of the New Testament. But anti-montanists declared that no prophet ever had such attitude and that Montanists were moved by the spirit of deception.(Eusebius, Eccl. Hist. V,17, 3).

175 AD - Irenaeus in his treatise Against Heresies speaks (positively) of those in the Church "who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages."[3]
circa 230 AD - Novatian said, “This is He who places prophets in the Church, instructs teachers, directs tongues, gives powers and healings, does wonderful works, often discrimination of spirits, affords powers of government, suggests counsels, and orders and arranges whatever other gifts there are of charismata; and thus make the Lord’s Church everywhere, and in all, perfected and completed.” [4]
After the 1st, or 2nd century there is no record of "speaking in tongues" in any Eastern Orthodox source.

[5]
circa 340 AD - Hilary of Poitiers wrote, “For God hath set same in the Church, first apostles…secondly prophets…thirdly teachers…next mighty works, among which are the healing of diseases… and gifts of either speaking or interpreting divers kinds of tongues. Clearly these are the Church’s agents of ministry and work of whom the body of Christ consists; and God has ordained them.”

[6]
circa 390 AD - Augustine of Hippo, in an exposition on Psalm 32, discusses a phenomenon contemporary to his time of those who "sing in jubilation", singing the praises of God not in their own language, but in a manner that "may not be confined by the limits of syllables"

[7]. He also said: "In the earliest times the Holy Spirit fell upon them that believed, and they spake with tongues which they had not learned, as the Spirit gave them utterance. These were signs adapted to the time. For it was fitting that there be this sign of the Holy Spirit in all tongues to show that the Gospel of God was to run through all tongues over the whole earth. That was done for a sign, and it passed away. ... Is it now expected that they upon whom hands are laid, should speak with tongues? Or when we imposed our hand upon these children, did each of you wait to see whether they would speak with tongues? And when he saw that they did not speak with tongues, was any of you so perverse of heart as to say 'These have not received the Holy Spirit'?"

[8]
475 - 1000 AD - Dark ages. Little history recorded.
1100s - Franciscan order of monks.
1100s - Hildegard of Bingen is reputed to have spoken and sung in tongues. Her spiritual songs were referred to by contemporaries as "concerts in the Spirit." (Note: It is also claimed that this may have been a combination between her native German and Latin.

[9])
1300s - The Moravians are referred to by detractors as having spoken in tongues. John Roche, a contemporary critic, claimed that the Moravians "commonly broke into some disconnected Jargon, which they often passed upon the vulgar, 'as the exuberant and resistless Evacuations of the Spirit'"

[10].
1600s - The French Prophets: The Camisards also spoke sometimes in languages that were unknown: "Several persons of both Sexes," James Du Bois of Montpellier recalled, "I have heard in their Extasies pronounce certain words, which seem'd to the Standers-by, to be some Foreign Language." These utterances were sometimes accompanied by the gift of interpretation exercised, in Du Bois' experience, by the same person who had spoken in tongues.

[11]
1600s - Early Quakers, such as Edward Burrough, make mention of tongues speaking in their meetings: "We spoke with new tongues, as the Lord gave us utterance, and His Spirit led us"

[12].
1700s - John Wesley and Methodism. Wesley sprouts revivalism across Europe and North America, including many miraculous events such as speaking in tongues.

[13]
1800s - Edward Irving and the Catholic Apostolic Church. Edward Irving, a minister in the Church of Scotland, writes of a woman who would "speak at great length, and with superhuman strength, in an unknown tongue, to the great astonishment of all who heard, and to her own great edification and enjoyment in God"

[14]. Irving further stated that "tongues are a great instrument for personal edification, however mysterious it may seem to us."




Hmmmmmm, This is cool stuff!!! The history of tongues hehehehe.... :)
 
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look you guys i have never seen a true church in a building, or under a name or in a denomination. the true church is in the hearts of those that have accepted jesus christ into their hearts repented and have been baptised in his name.

the true church never hid either even from those that sought to kill them. i am still triing to find where that teaching is. because it is not in the word of god. there is no scripture in the word of god that states that. if i am wrong please share the scripture wher it states it.

almost everything concerning the churches today as many know them is man made up trash. nothing from the word of god.
 
Unless we have absolute knowledge (humanly impossible) of all church "buildings", we have no right to make such statements. We are not omnipotent as GOD is, all knowing as GOD is.

I attend a great church. I know others that attend other great churches.

In North Carolina here in USA, there is something called "Bible Belt" and they are on fire for the Lord (most part, w/o claming absolute knowledge of them all).
 
Unless we have absolute knowledge (humanly impossible) of all church "buildings", we have no right to make such statements. We are not omnipotent as GOD is, all knowing as GOD is.

I attend a great church. I know others that attend other great churches.

In North Carolina here in USA, there is something called "Bible Belt" and they are on fire for the Lord (most part, w/o claming absolute knowledge of them all).
Chad have you ever been to a Puerto Rican pentecostal church because they no joke because there service is hot buning fire. They will preach like WOW! I see that your in NY and they have allot of those in NYC.
 
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I truly believe that no matter what denomination you are, the fire from the Lord comes from within you. You can turn a cold place hot if the fire is inside of you and you spread it to others. On the other hand, people who don't have that fire and don't want to accept that fire can be hot in a cold place.

But I do see what you're saying about Penecostal churches in PR!
 
Hehehe, sound like you experience the Puerto Rican service hahahaha, yea I agree what you said, because if we look at the word fire then it is energy because we know that heat is energy like what most scientist would say because with energy, things move in other words some form of force or some kind of power that things move but when there something frozen nothing can’t move because the cold has no energy because the power of God move in its place amen. I rather go to a energy church rather then a frozen church so unlike the speaking of tongues it is fire and energy. Lets look at act 2:2

2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting


I have experience the wind blowing inside the church and there was this pastor that was speaking in tongues and asking the wind to come in for I don’t know for how long but you could feel the wind blowing around the church and you know that the spirit was moving in energy and It felt beautiful and we let the door open for the wind to blow in but what funny is that it was not a windy day like there was one time where you don’t feel the wind outside on that same day we had that service and the sky was pretty clear because I have experience where in my area was having a strong thunderstorm where the wind was moving hard and we hand this little meeting at my church and the door was open and I must say that wind was not as powerful as the Holy Ghost wind to what I call it, but it look like it can blow inside the church but it was not as powerful as the spirit that was filling inside the church service. But um,,,, we need to know that spirit is another word for wind from a greek word and that was some experience that I had in that time.

The word spirit in both Hebrew and Greek means “breath” or “wind.” Both a breath of air and a breeze are appropriate images for the Holy Spirit.

John 3:8 (KJV)
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

(THAT DOSE SOUND PRETTY HUH)

I have heard people who are against of speaking in tongues would say “why there no wind when speaking tongues like what acts 2:2.” Well duuh I have experience, hahahahaha!!!

Anyway, never deny the power of God because there is more to experience the presence of God!

Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.
 
trulyblezzed, you hit the nail right on the head.

chad, you are right i am not all knowing or all anything for that matter.lol we cant know all church buildings. but we know that christ is not shut up in a building, name or denomination. he comes into the hearts of us all when we open it to him. i have studdied almost every denomination there is and the heart doctrine that got the church going is more false than truth. however my main point is we do not get saved by any of these it is by christ alone that any are saved. so for us to represent a church building,name,denomination, rather than christ in my eyes is just as false as the morman religion.
 
Thank you brother ushalk for clarifying your point. I apologize if I sounded rude. Your used to me by now anyway and still love me as your brother in Christ :P LOL.

Your right about not being a denomination, hence this is why I consider (and post publicly below the logo) that Talk Jesus is a non-denominational ministry. Its all about Jesus, not confined in a building as you said.
 
I would like to know your debate on this sermon by Denis Lyle. I know you guys just want me to say what I get from the scriptures, but lets look what other people that have studied the scriptures think also. If you guys want to learn, we have to debate by the scriptures not on personal experiences.

Audio Sermon:

Is the gift of tongues for today?


Romans 10:8
"But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;" KJV
 
Cody, it is scripture and I Belived what the bible says it is gift of the spirit, how simple is it to understand:embarasse:lightbulb
 
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