I don't believe a loving God would send people to hell.....

[TheWordIsOne]

I think about when people say the phrase "I don't believe a loving God would send people to hell".

The Holy Spirit laid on my heart that when people say that, what they are really saying is,

"I believe I should be free to do what every I want to do and I should be free from the
consequences of my actions, and if there is a God of Justice who will hold me accountable for
what I choose to do, then I want nothing with that God."

Wow, I see that even if even I give what the word says or what is said this nonexisting God, for it should be little g! god, well in a matter to your thoughts, of non-existing God, because your own actions, that there are no consequences, you can choose freely what person would not give freedom of expression

God, I know never force anyone to do something, against his or her conscience a God that Loves and respects all life, is not a respecter of individual thoughts.

But this house is for those who believe in equal opportunity to all, but if you don’t like this house, because it has rules, I can understand it, just remember that you lose all the benefits of this house, because you are free to choose, and if you feel somehow you’re not welcome because that not so.

There are always consequences, I only say make good and sound decisions, because you will lose all the benefits and there is no turning back.

Separation is permanent, this called my own consequences, freely I choose, as this non-existing God

But I tell you this from MY own heart the Lord does not send people to Hell, He saves people from going to that Hell, and Hell is a different matter

 

[Butch5]

You asked what is the point of the body?

To interact with the physical world.

Spirit = God consciousness
Soul = Self Consciousness (feelings and emotions)
Body = World Consciousness (5 senses)

Remember we are getting new bodies which will be incorruptible.
We were made very good, but sin marred our very good bodies.

We will receive new bodies which cannot be corrupted.

God could have designed us to not have bodies and just be like wandering spirits,
but in God's wisdom, God chose to design us this way. Perhaps to showcase
His handiwork as we are fearfully and wonderfully made.

Who knows, maybe God is an artist and likes to create beautiful things, and wanted
to create beautiful bodies for us. Unfortunately we often don't take good care of these gifts(bodies) from God.

My question was rhetorical. Many who hold the Immortal Soul doctrine don't expect to interact with the physical world. Many believe they will spend eternity in Heaven and that the earth will be destroyed. They hold that the "You" when speaking to someone is not the body, but the consciousness of the person and that consciousness will live forever, with or without a body. So, in essence the body is not necesssary.

Regarding the body, it is the same the body that we have now. I can't be a different body, that would be reincarnation, not resurrection.

 

[Butch5]

Well; it would be nigh unto impossible to join Christ for a traditional Passover
without a body capable of dining upon ordinary foods and beverages.

• Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until
that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

• Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I
suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of
God.

• Luke 22:28-30 . . However, you are the ones that have stuck with me in my
trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant
with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom
_

My question was rhetorical.

 

[Butch5]

and yet...

1Pet 3:18; For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Rom 8:10; If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

The flesh (body) can be dead, but the spirit can be alive. You can even be dead, while you are alive. What does that mean to you?

1Tim 5:6; But she who gives herself to wanton pleasure is dead even while she lives.

They are metaphors. The spirit never dies because it is God's spirit. In Gen 2:7 God breathed the spirit of life into the man. That's the spirit. It's God. It returns to Him when man dies. That's the only spirit we see in man, save the Holy Spirit in believers but that's obviously is God.

Paul talks a lot in metaphors and allegories, but Christians read him literally. To be dead in sin, is a metaphor. A dead man can do nothing. So, to be dead in sin means one can do nothing about their sin. They are figuratively dead. They are not literally dead. If they were there'd be no reason for Paul to write to them, they couldn't read it. Paul often uses figurative language and abstract concepts. For instance, he said, "I die daily". Surely no one thinks Paul died every day and then came back to life. Even those who believe in spiritual death can't say that Paul died spiritually everyday and came back to life. It's a metaphor. He uses it to show that he puts his needs aside every day. Look at Romans 8:10, "if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin", are their bodies really dead. Aren't they the church at Rome? Is he writing the letter to dead people? If so they can't read it. It's obviously figurative language.

 

[PloughBoy]

Free will choices send folks to hell .

So a sinner is not in the "Bondages of SIn" but free to chose. And Jesus cannot buy a free person. because that would be a act of force slavery. And Jesus is purchasing slaves by His own Blood. That is why He has become our "Master" and Lord and we are commanded to obey, in complete submission to our Lord.

Is not this is the definition in "ISBE" the "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia " for "lord", "master" and "slave", Bondages of Sin" which is the definitions for all Biblical words written in the BIBLE. this Encyclopedia is the "Standard" that all Biblical Words written in the Bible are judge. "ISBE"

How can a man have freewill if he is in "Bondage" to sin, then in "Bondage unto Righteousness"?

New American Standard Bible
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin. [no freedom here]
2 Peter 2:19
They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves to depravity. For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. [no freewill here]
Romans 6:16
Do you not know that when you offer yourselves as obedient slaves, you are slaves to the one you obey, whether you are slaves to sin leading to death, or to obedience leading to righteousness? [no freewill here]

Not arguing here now. I can understand the world not understanding The Light that has come into the World, to show many. The world cannot see bondage, they think they are free to choose. "satan is a deceiver" "The Perfect Deceiver".

But Children of God Our sight and lens is the Bible and we believe it they don't. We know we are in bondages until the "Coronation DAY" when we shall receive the "Full Inheritance of SonShip. it is plain right before our eyes in the person of Jesus Christ this is what everything is all about. and everything else is "temporal" and was design to be destroyed by GOD and never be. Everything is design by GOD. And everything is on course as been design. We cannot think human but Trust and obey GOD. This Story is about JESUS and we are secondary, GOD LOVES HIS SON. this is what this Story is all about.

He is doing all of this for HIS SON. We need to stop reading all of these verses and read the book over and over and over again and over again. Until we see the whole picture in our mind. And then we can understand what "grace" and mercy is, instead of a definition in a worldly and semi-bible dictionary.

Read this again and chew this slow:

King James Bible
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and [then] my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

How do you know you love Jesus? You keep his commandments [words]

When will GOD the Father Love you? When you keep Jesus commandments [his words] ;;;;;;;;; { if you do keep Jesus Commandments GOD The Father do not love you] Do not get blow out into space it is kinda a "paradox" and complicated.

Many think they know what this means they don't. "for GOD so love the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believe shall be save" I am going tell you right now many don't. it does not mean what you thing it means. I am not trying to keep the doors of the church open and keep the lights on and repair the roof and keep the "Coffers" full.

Jesus Christ and his Father are not the same person but they are one. One day the world is to going see, the Devil and the demons and the moon and the Sun is going to try to hide and they can't find no where to hide. We must read the fine print "GOD" The FATHER is not "Betty Crocker"
I know i cannot be reading the same Bible as my Peers "Our Loving God" is so loving. ............ I don know that one. The one i know, Thunder and Lighting Pillar of Smoke the earth start shaking Moses knees start knocking Daniel fall on the floor and cannot get back up from the Holiness presence of The Angel.

And i have read nothing about "Betty Crocker" in that BOOK. And get no Fluffy feelings either.
Do you understand where i am coming from.

We are going to see. I am not dis agreeing with you "Reba 1"
I am putting a little heat on the flame.

 

[Butch5]

But I also have given 40 scriptures above that say we can have eternal life. It is my understanding, no one has received this yet, so yes, only God has it right now.

I agree we can have eternal life, and don't yet. But, my point is that man isn't immortal by nature and that he won't be immortal by nature after the resurrection.

No argument here, a soul is a body and a spirit . OK so be it. The body can die, but the spirit doesn't.

I agree the spirit doesn't die, it's God's spirit. In Gen two we see that God breathed His spirit into man and man became a living soul. We see this same thing in the Resurrection of Israel, but God gives us a little more information. In Ezekiel 37 God tells Ezekiel to prophesy and the bones come together and then flesh comes on them, but the are not alive. Then God tells Ezekiel to prophesy to the Ruach (wind, breath, spirit). Ezekiel does this and they bodies come to life, just like we saw in Gen. 2:7. But God gives Ezekiel the interpretation.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD. (Ezek. 37:14 KJV) (Ezek. 37:12-14 KJV)

God talks about bringing them out of their graves and then says He will put His spirit in them and they shall live. Notice, it is not their spirit, it is God's spirit. The spirit in man is God's spirit.

Yes we are always dependent on God for everything, even eternal life, no argument there either. But God sustains life here on the earth now... always has since the beginning of creation. Why would He stop for some reason?

People die, so God stops sustaining those lives. In the Resurrection He will sustain those lives continuously.

Then you missed the first verse I posted. Your body can be dead, but your spirit can be alive. So the opposite can occur. Your body can be alive, but your spirit can be dead.

Rom 8:10; If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

It seem to me you're assuming the opposite is true. However, again, it's God's spirit. It's not man's.

 

[Reba1]

God, I know never force anyone to do something, against his or her conscience a God that Loves and respects all life, is not a respecter of individual thoughts.

Exo 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Rom_9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

 

[TheWordIsOne]

Exo 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Rom_9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

yes but no for children

 

[Reba1]

yes but no for children

which of your statements do you stand by ... this "yes but no for children " or this " God, I know never force anyone to do something, against his or her conscience a God that Loves and respects all life, is not a respecter of individual thoughts" .

 

[TheWordIsOne]

which of your statements do you stand by ... this "yes but no for children " or this " God, I know never force anyone to do something, against his or her conscience a God that Loves and respects all life, is not a respecter of individual thoughts" .

does a child know what he or she is doing?

 

[Reba1]

does a child know what he or she is doing?

cop out reply so never mind

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

My question was rhetorical. Many who hold the Immortal Soul doctrine don't expect to interact with the physical world. Many believe they will spend eternity in Heaven and that the earth will be destroyed. They hold that the "You" when speaking to someone is not the body, but the consciousness of the person and that consciousness will live forever, with or without a body. So, in essence the body is not necesssary.

Regarding the body, it is the same the body that we have now. I can't be a different body, that would be reincarnation, not resurrection.

You haven't read the scriptures which talk about putting on immortal bodies?

 

[Butch5]

You haven't read the scriptures which talk about putting on immortal bodies?

What Scripture?

 

[Butch5]

What???

Are you saying that everyone on this forum will be in hell?

He's a troll. Ignore him.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

He's a troll. Ignore him.

Sounds good, thanks.


-WNL

 

[Br. Bear]

He's a troll. Ignore him.

Greetings all,

yes, that is the best way if this troll comes back again,

sorry that you had to be so insulted by this persistent snake.

Troll has been banned.

Press on and remember to not do likewise in your thoughts or words.

Jesus is Lord
Keep the faith


Bless you all....><>

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

What Scripture?

Speaking of 1st Corinthians 15:50


50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

 

[Butch5]

Greetings all,

yes, that is the best way if this troll comes back again,

sorry that you had to be so insulted by this persistent snake.

Troll has been banned.

Press on and remember to not do likewise in your thoughts or words.

Jesus is Lord
Keep the faith


Bless you all....><>

Thanks! They don't offend me. I feel sorry for them. What kind of life do you have if this is what you have to resort to

 

[Br. Bear]

let us pray for the person, for none would want to be so much in bondage to darkness.

Follow the teachings of our Lord,


Bless you ....><>

 

[Reba1]

Shame on me sometimes mixing it up can be fun,, Alas @Br. Bear you are correct