Is Church Tithing an Abomination to God, or Unbiblical?

[Lanolin]

Yea If I do a ministry I dont ask others to fund it God provides. Hes given me jobs when i thought there wasnt any way I could do it. Most ministries are run with donations and much of it isnt money..we make do with what we have!
Money is only really needed to pay fees and bills and if theres any extra new items can be bought but never has God said to me I need to ask for extra funds. It there is a fund that is offering money (not a loan) that you can apply for thats different from just asking random people to give you money just because you ask.

I think people need to ask God first before asking people. He has the cattle on a thousand hills, why ask anyone else. He will give to you if you in His will.

 

[Bendito]

Is Church Tithing an Abomination to God, or Unbiblical?

Tithing, as practiced by Christians, has no Biblical foundation; there's no support for giving 10% of your income to the church. The Bible's primary guidance is that we look after the poor.

Church tithes go here (approximately):
50% Staff salaries
30% Building
10% Missionary (salaries)
0.05% Direct help for the poor (if they're lucky)

Once you understand this, you may well find yourself asking:
Does God despise the church tithe?

Thoughts?

Nope Teaching about tithing is not at all a bad thing...Yup Many preachers force it on their people. Nope you should not tithe if you don't want to. Yup It is a key to your blessings. Nope It should never be misused. It belongs to God not to the pastors. And Yup. Its to be used for Gods Work. He directs its use. Anything other than that is unbiblical....Also Each church that takes in an income NEEDS to tithe on it too.

 

[Lanolin]

In the bible the first fruits belong to God. You are not supposed them keep for yourself.
Even your firstborn son belongs to God, but you can sacrifice two turtledoves to have him back. Thats what Joseph and Mary did with Jesus.

 

[Simon]

Nope Teaching about tithing is not at all a bad thing...

Nope, Teaching tithing is unscriptural and bad.
Unless you are teaching how in OT times some of the Jewish people tithed on flocks and crops, under very specific laws.

Yup It is a key to your blessings.

Nope, Christ and His grace are the key to your blessings...

 

[Bendito]

Nope, Teaching tithing is unscriptural and bad.
Unless you are teaching how in OT times some of the Jewish people tithed on flocks and crops, under very specific laws.



Nope, Christ and His grace are the key to your blessings...

Simon I really wish you would rely more on the Holy Spirit to teach you. Areas of the Old Covenant that you don't need to obey, really don't exist. For example...All of the Mosaic law is for us to follow. How do we follow it? Jesus told us how in Matt. 22:36-40.
As to tithing....In the New Covenant it may not be a legality... a must, but the principle is for us...If you 'Bring the tithes God will do' That's the principle......You don't have to do that at all....We walk in obedience to our Jesus because we love Him. Or not.

 

[Bendito]

Nope, Teaching tithing is unscriptural and bad.
Unless you are teaching how in OT times some of the Jewish people tithed on flocks and crops, under very specific laws.



Nope, Christ and His grace are the key to your blessings...

Simon.....Define....Christ....Grace.....Blessings Can you?

 

[Bendito]

Nope, Teaching tithing is unscriptural and bad.
Unless you are teaching how in OT times some of the Jewish people tithed on flocks and crops, under very specific laws.

Simon....Are you saying too, that Old Covenant is not for Christians....Could you clarify on that? Or just the parts of the Old Covenant that you don't like?

 

[Simon]

Simon....Are you saying too, that Old Covenant is not for Christians....Could you clarify on that? Or just the parts of the Old Covenant that you don't like?

Don't put words in my mouth, and let's stay on topic.
I oppose teaching that even suggests that a biblical tithe means giving ten percent of your income to a church.

 

[Bendito]

Don't put words in my mouth, and let's stay on topic.
I oppose teaching that even suggests that a biblical tithe means giving ten percent of your income to a church.

Look. Simon. It's only your opinion that tithing is unscriptural and bad. If you don't want to tithe then don't. God wants cheerful givers. Not people who give because they have to. You can relax now. The subject has been thoroughly masticated. I think you can safely drop it.

 

[Simon]

Look. Simon. It's only your opinion that tithing is unscriptural and bad.
If you don't want to tithe then don't.
God wants cheerful givers.
Not people who give because they have to.
You can relax now.
The subject has been thoroughly masticated.
I think you can safely drop it.

Bendito

Roman Catholic Bishop to Martin Luther:
Look Martin, it's only your opinion that indulgences are unscriptural and bad.
If you don't want to buy indulgences then don't.
God wants cheerful givers.
Not people who give because they have to.
You can relax now.
The subject has been thoroughly masticated.
I think you can safely drop it.

What do you think Luther should have done?

 

[Bendito]

Bendito

Roman Catholic Bishop to Martin Luther:
Look Martin, it's only your opinion that indulgences are unscriptural and bad.
If you don't want to buy indulgences then don't.
God wants cheerful givers.
Not people who give because they have to.
You can relax now.
The subject has been thoroughly masticated.
I think you can safely drop it.

What do you think Luther should have done?

I think Luther should have followed the Word. He should have sought out the Holy Spirit who is our teacher. What should you do? Probably the same?

 

[Simon]

I think Luther should have followed the Word. He should have sought out the Holy Spirit who is our teacher. What should you do? Probably the same?

Okay.
But having done that, I stilI oppose teaching that even suggests that a biblical tithe means giving ten percent of your income to a church.

 

[Lanolin]

Simon opposes tithing income to church. We got it. Thats totally fine. Most churches dont teach that its compulsory anyway.

What about paying tax to the govt though? Do you do that, or have you found a way not to? Paying tax in my country is totally dependent on income.

It gets taken out of your pay before you even get a chance to spend it.

 

[B-A-C]

As of yet, I have seen no scripture or evidence that it's an "abomination" or "unbiblical". Only someone's opinion.
Now it may not be required for salvation, I can agree with that. If you don't feel God is leading you to give to the church,
fine.. don't give.
But if you feel God wants you to give... then by all means give. God loves a cheerful giver, it is more blessed to give than
to receive. Do some ministries take advantage of this? I'm sure some do. So what do we do? Stop giving altogether?

A church I used to go to (across the state from me now) has a Friday night dinner for the homeless and needy in the community.
This is of course an attempt to get them to come and listen to the gospel about Jesus. After the meal a small devotional is
always given, and usually there is an altar call after this. The church couldn't afford to do this unless the congregation gave
to the church. The church secretary estimated they had fed about 30,000 people over the last 20 years. Are some of them taking
advantage of this? Absolutely. Some of them don't even stay for the devotional, but leave immediately after they get dinner.
(it was mentioned, the dinner should be after the devotional ) but that kind of defeats the purpose of giving.

Last year there was a special dinner for those who had gotten saved because of this ministry. Just under 3,000 people showed up
for this. (and they couldn't even find everyone, also some had passed away over the last 20 years). So let's see....
3,000 out of 30,000. That's only a ten percent return on investment. That doesn't seem like a very good investment. That means 90% are "taking advantage" of this.

... but I'm willing to bet, God will take it.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Okay.
But having done that, I stilI oppose teaching that even suggests that a biblical tithe means giving ten percent of your income to a

I oppose teaching that even suggests that a biblical tithe means giving ten percent of your income to a church.

So perhaps you should argue your opposed to on your knees with the Father...
His view is All That Matters
Blessings
W4F

 

[Lanolin]

Remember when abraham was bargaining with God. He asked if there were just TEN righteous men in the entire city would he destroy it, God said he would not. I dont know how big the population of city was in those days?

Interesting...I think ten percent is very small. We actually pay more GST everyday which is 12.5% on goods and services, MORE than ten percent, and its always added on everything already.

If it was just ten percent, it would be easier to calculate.

One thing I was reading though, in a fruit trees first year, if it has fruit, the israelites werent meant to eat it. These first fruits are uncicumcised God wants them to wait till the fourth year. Anyone who has a fruitful tree knows come harvest time the tree produces much more than any one person can eat. To give a tenth of this fruit to the levites who had NO land and couldnt grow fruit trees was not meant to be a hardship for the israelites. It was sharing with those who had nothing your abundance so they could dedicate themselves to the temple.

 

[Bendito]

Okay.
But having done that, I stilI oppose teaching that even suggests that a biblical tithe means giving ten percent of your income to a church.

Simon...That is your prerogative.

 

[Simon]

As of yet, I have seen no scripture or evidence that it's an "abomination" or "unbiblical". Only someone's opinion.

Despite Biblical proof that the tithe was ONLY flocks and crops, and most people in the OT were not required to tithe.
You must mean that the Bible is only someone's opinion...

Simon

 

[Dave M]

Hey Simon can you give us some examples that you like to do for giving?? Not that I am saying this is you but it seems to me most people who have a problem with the tithe are the people who do no giving at all, not talking about you specifically though

 

[Simon]

Hey Simon can you give us some examples that you like to do for giving?? Not that I am saying this is you but it seems to me most people who have a problem with the tithe are the people who do no giving at all, not talking about you specifically though

Dave,

I was asked a similar question in post #114, which I answered in post #117.


Simon