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Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

Sue, i know you fear what is to come. You allow the sweet tongue of the darkness to lull you to sleep. You hear that false teaching , but it sounds soo good ' rapturous ' in fact .

The truth is , the Movement of the Spirit will be so great, you will wonder how you ever believed that garbage in the first place.
 
Dear Brother,
I do believe we are saying the same thing, and I do not disagree with what you have posted above. I just see that the use of "what" in reference to Him, is speaking to the attributes, verses "who", which can also speak to His attributes but in a more personal fashion (relationship). I offered the change as only an opportunity to personalize Him, instead of just analyzing Him.

I hope this clarifies a little what I was attempting to suggest to you in making the change.

I do believe that as it says in Revelation 19:13 that The Word of God, is the actual name of who we call Jesus the Christ. We'll have Eternity to get to know God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!

And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Revelation 19:13 KJV

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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Yes you are right , there is purpose why Jesus prefers us to see Him as the person.

My words were not for you, so to speak. I know your heart . The Holy Spirit moves so strongly tonight , you were just avalible . Lol

You recall the snow i promised for Sue. The same will come to all in this ' Talk Jesus ' . My gift to all for putting up with me .

A note to those reading. Think of it like the oil Elijah gave the widow. If you are generous , it will stay and be renewed daily. But if you are selfish it will be as the plant in Jonah, gone in a day
 
Lol you are funny . This is like the kid wondering why Elijah was laughing so hard. Before God opened his eyes
You sound so arrogant, so self righteous. Are you really that way? Do we even serve the same God? Sometime you need to sit down and listen instead of trying to prove how smart you are?
 
Sue, i know you fear what is to come. You allow the sweet tongue of the darkness to lull you to sleep. You hear that false teaching , but it sounds soo good ' rapturous ' in fact .

The truth is , the Movement of the Spirit will be so great, you will wonder how you ever believed that garbage in the first place.


All I can say is that You have a Problem.
 
You sound so arrogant, so self righteous. Are you really that way? Do we even serve the same God? Sometime you need to sit down and listen instead of trying to prove how smart you are?
I used to think Paul was that way, reading how he spoke to people .

The path God has me on is because i said yes . I am well aware of my relationship with God.

To you i might sound arrogant, where to me , i can see the Angels attacking the army.

My apoligies, for being who i am . If you knew me, maybe you would not so readily toss the gift of prayer to the dogs
 
I used to think Paul was that way, reading how he spoke to people .

The path God has me on is because i said yes . I am well aware of my relationship with God.

To you i might sound arrogant, where to me , i can see the Angels attacking the army.

My apoligies, for being who i am . If you knew me, maybe you would not so readily toss the gift of prayer to the dogs
You're NOT Paul.. I appreciate prayer all right...From people I trust...From people who demonstrate the love of God. From people who actually are in Christ....Do you know what "In Christ" means?
 
You're NOT Paul.. I appreciate prayer all right...From people I trust...From people who demonstrate the love of God. From people who actually are in Christ....Do you know what "In Christ" means?
Do you only pray 4 people you trust what's the point of the prayer then.

What is faith if you only have faith when you have an answer all the time is that even Faith or is that religion without faith.

Has your prayer become prayer without faith then.

Faith takes place when you have nothing to back it up on that's true faith where you only trust in God. It is the same with prayer you should put your trust in God not in other people and not expect other people that you feel you trust to be the only ones praying for you.

God uses the prayers of people you do not even know for you all the time. It's not up to you how those prayers are being used
 
Do you only pray 4 people you trust what's the point of the prayer then.

What is faith if you only have faith when you have an answer all the time is that even Faith or is that religion without faith.

Has your prayer become prayer without faith then.

Faith takes place when you have nothing to back it up on that's true faith where you only trust in God. It is the same with prayer you should put your trust in God not in other people and not expect other people that you feel you trust to be the only ones praying for you.

God uses the prayers of people you do not even know for you all the time. It's not up to you how those prayers are being used
I was not talking about me praying for someone else, but you already know that. I was speaking of somebody praying for me, but you know that too....
I said that I am very particular about who prays for me. If you do not understand that, it would indicate to me, that you know little of how the spirit world works....If you pray a prayer that does not line up with the Word, God cannot answer that prayer...But the prayer will get answered anyway. If its something that God will not use, Satan WILL pick that up and use it according to your word. A well meaning prayer can become a curse in that way...Now I do not know you, thus I do not trust you. Do not pray for me, Please! Not any kind of prayer. This is not a reflection on you, its just that I do not know you well enough to trust your beliefs.
 
I've been reading your comments -- both of yours. You're talking about prayer / praying. Praying is our talking to God about anything that is on our heart / mind. We are to take Everything to God in prayer. And regarding people praying for 'me' --fine - don't mind that at all.

As for how the spirit world works -- a person prays to God through Jesus Christ. And when a person doesn't know How to pray -- a person feels very burdened about something -- the Holy Spirit knows our hearts and can intercede -- when we're murmuring within ourselves -- the Holy Spirit 'translates' that For us. The interceding.

At the same time, we can pray kind of nonsence prayers for a nice car or 'whatever' -- we need to be more in tune with 'I want Your will in this matter' -- and people Have been known to come back with the passage that says 'ask, seek, knock' that we have not because we don't bother To ask. God Does know our hearts. He's not fooled with our nonsense. But satan getting into the act of our prayers? Don't think so. Our praying is to God -- unless a person is actively worshipping satan.

At church we have prayer and praise time. We share prayer requests and they get prayed for. We see the results Of prayers being answered. And some recent prayers for a sick person has resulted in their death. God chose to take them home to be with Him. They are now 'completely healed'. The guy was willing to accept Jesus Christ as His personal sAvior as a result of a brain tumor.

And back those couple of years ago, with my husband. I prayed that once the intubation was taken out that it would be a quick ending. And it was. It was Possible that he breathe on his own, but not likely. He'd lost use of the right side of his body. He was gradually 'shutting down'. I'd prayed that it would be a quick process and it was.
 
You also realize that the Church is not mentioned in book of Revelation after chapter 3.

that not true at all, the saints are mentioned in almost every chapter,,, ,and no they are not "tribulation saints" that is a man made name that has no backing by scripture, are you suggesting saints are not part of the church?? are you suggesting people get saved in a diffrent manor other the by Christ blood during the tribulation???
 
Anyone looking for direct scripture support of the famed Pre-Trib Rapture will come up empty handed. Admits Rapture heavyweight John Walvoord in his book called The Rapture Question (Findlay, OH:1957, p.148). Saying;

"Ladd, in contrast to Jones, concedes that post-tribulalional rapture is an inference rather than an explicit revelation of Scripture in the following statement:

"Nor does the Word explicitly place the Rapture at the end of the Tribulation."

“The fact is that neither posttribulalionism nor pretribulationisim is an explicit teaching of Scripture. The Bible does not in so many words state either.”

“Pretribulationism is based on the fact that it allows a harmony of the Scriptures relating to the Second Advent.”

“The separation of the translation from the return of Christ to earth permits each of the two events so different in character, to have its own place.”

“It solves the problem of the confusing and contradictory details in the post-tribulational interpretation illustrated in the difficulty of the postribulationist's themselves to work out a harmony of prophecies related to the second advent."


Another Rapture heavy-weight, Tim LaHaye says:

"One objection to the pre-Tribulation Rapture is that not one passage of Scripture teaches the two aspects of His Second Coming separated by the Tribulation. This is true. But then, no one passage teaches a post-trib or mid-trib Rapture, either."

Tim LaHaye, No Fear of the Storm: Why Christians Will Escape All the Tribulation (Sisters, OR: Multnomah, 1992), 69. This book was later republished as Rapture Under Attack). “That’s Not in the Bible” Gary DeMar


So despite the fact millions of books claiming the rapture flew off the shelves despite the failed prophecies surrounding them, millions of Christians believe as scripture truth the claims that have no scripture supporting them.

If you believe in the pre-trib rapture, how do you support it with scripture when the best-known Rapturists cannot?
Its called brainwashing . Say it enough times, then it must be real
 
A lot of the pre-trib rapture is based on Daniel 9: 27 -- one week remaining that is yet to come. And the pre-part is because Why do born again believers need to feel the wrath of God -- we've already accepted Him. That future time is for the Jews who have been rejecting Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. And That's where the 144,000 Jews from the named tribes are sealed and sent out to evangelize the Jews who were not part of the rapture. Because born again believers from all races are part of the Church.
 
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”

Didn't the Sacrifices end about 70 AD?
 
@ Reba 1 -- there are those who hold to that. But wouldn't that Also mean that there are no future 7 years?
 
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