Sinning never ends

[Jonathan_Gale]

You are insinuating God will do worse then Molech, aren't you? eternal fire?

Your words, not mine. You remind me of this: "And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues, and they did not repent and give him glory." Rev. 16:9

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You teach the lost that God loves and died for that...He is a wicked fool who will send all babies to an eternal fire.

The worst leftist message has nothing on your message.

You cannot fail harder at miss-representing God. I am so eagerly waiting to hear the words ''I am just kidding'' from you.

Tell me, what group loves sucking babies out of their mother's womb with a super vacuum machine in the name of "reproductive freedom"? What group saves them and helps pregnant women at the risk of being thrown in jail? Do yourself a favor, do some research on that and see how God's love for babies is manifested, how John 9:3 is being fulfilled - IN REALITY. You wanna talk about action? That's the action that God takes through his people, which you have no grasp on.

 

[KingJ]

Tell me, what group loves sucking babies out of their mother's womb with a super vacuum machine in the name of "reproductive freedom"? What group saves them and helps pregnant women at the risk of being thrown in jail? Do yourself a favor, do some research on that and see how God's love for babies is manifested, how John 9:3 is being fulfilled - IN REALITY. You wanna talk about action? That's the action that God takes through his people, which you have no grasp on.

That is evil, I am 10/10 against abortion of a living baby. It is murder.

But, please for the love of God, listen to me. Believing God will take a baby and place them in the lake of fire for all eternity is a much worse belief.

The evil of abortion has nothing on eternal separation and torment.

You correctly disagree with the left but then throw out the bath with the baby.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

That is evil, I am 10/10 against abortion of a living baby. It is murder.

But, please for the love of God, listen to me. Believing God will take a baby and place them in the lake of fire for all eternity is a much worse belief.

The evil of abortion has nothing on eternal separation and torment.

You correctly disagree with the left but then throw out the bath with the baby.

For the love of God, could you please stop blaspheming him? You think abortion is irrelevant? No, it has EVERYTHING to do with eternal separation and torment, because EVIL LEFTISTS are throwing babies into the fire! Just like the Canaanites offering theirs to Molech!

To clarify, God sends NO ONE into that lake of fire, Satan is bringing them in there, while God is SAVING them FROM THERE! How can you be so ignorant and blind to see that?

You know, the world is going full throttle in the direction of 1984, black is white, up is down, weakness is strength, as Isaiah prophecied in Is. 5:20 - "Woe to those who call evil good. and good evil, who put darkness for light. and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet. and sweet for bitter!" If you call yourself a child of God, then stop calling good evil and putting light for darkness.

 

[KingJ]

For the love of God, could you please stop blaspheming him? You think abortion is irrelevant? No, it has EVERYTHING to do with eternal separation and torment, because EVIL LEFTISTS are throwing babies into the fire! Just like the Canaanites offering theirs to Molech!

To clarify, God sends NO ONE into that lake of fire, Satan is bringing them in there, while God is SAVING them FROM THERE! How can you be so ignorant and blind to see that?

You know, the world is going full throttle in the direction of 1984, black is white, up is down, weakness is strength, as Isaiah prophecied in Is. 5:20 - "Woe to those who call evil good. and good evil, who put darkness for light. and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet. and sweet for bitter!" If you call yourself a child of God, then stop calling good evil and putting light for darkness.

You are not reading my post properly before you reply.

Good to hear your belief has changed, you no longer believe God send babies to hell.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You are not reading my post properly before you reply.

Good to hear your belief has changed, you no longer believe God send babies to hell.

I never believed that in the first place, you misunderstood me since the beginning. Neither of us want to send babies down to Hades, but the brutal reality is, leftists do. This nation has turned its back to God and given Satan authority to do what he wants through all kinds of institutions that we once trust and rely upon.

 

[lentz]

Another worthless thread.
What weird thought patterns some individuals have.
They understand nothing in the word of God, but love showing their ignorance

 

[Dave M]

TO sin is a choice God gives us the power through the Holy spirit to stop, Only through the Holy spirit can we stop..........Now this is the part that has recently come to mind,,, when I was a sinner whole practiced sin on regular basis I was enslaved to the sin, drugs, fornications,, the list goes on, I NO longer do thees sins but I am still a sinner because the the temptation is still there, or at least it is for fornication, God removed the temptation from me for drugs praise Jesus !!

So I am not a practicing sinner but because I do still get tempted, I consider my self to have a sin nature,,,,,,,,,,,,,, When we go to heaven I believe God will remove any temptation from us, but we know for sure sin will not happen in heaven for no flesh can inherit the kingdom of God,

If anyone is still practicing sin after claiming to be born again, huge red flag, and prayers go up,, but chances are they are blind and unable to know the truth

Sin separates us from God, and we know God will be in heaven/

Can We Know We Won’t Sin?​

'Christ promises on the New Earth, “There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away” (Revelation 21:4). Since “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23), the promise of no more death is a promise of no more sin. Those who will never die can never sin, since sinners always die. Sin causes mourning, crying, and pain. If those will never occur again, then sin can never occur again."
by Randy Alcorn

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[KingJ]

@hopefulson

So every tear wiped away no more sin and death refers to what?

Not sure God will stop tears. No. Perhaps at the start of our stay in heaven, sure.

Sin, as I have explained did not default in all going to the fires of hell. Repentant sinners before Jesus went to a paradise called Abrahams bosom in Hades.

I think the exploration of this is a good exploration. When we are a part of Jesus Christ the sin battle is over. I am not referring to now but by His realized work in the future.

The sin battle is never over. How can it be? Please read the OP of this thread.

God does not see us as sinners as we are covered by the blood of Jesus The sacrifice it takes to become a Christian is a deep one as explained here What is a Christian and how do you become one?.

Example. You and I are in the army. I bully you for your first two years. In the third, we go to war. The enemy shoots a bullet at you. I jump in the way and give my life for yours. Will I be welcome in your house? Are my sins of bullying forgiven? If I tease you in year 100, will I still be welcome in your house?

There is no greater love then to lay your life down for someone John 15:13. This is the depth of the relationship mankind has with God and God has with mankind. This is why mankind is ''perfect'' to God. But it is a common mistake to assume mankind is perfect ''like'' God.

This is why many battle to digest the title of this thread. In church you are spoon fed and many seldom meditate on what scripture actually teaches. Or on what makes God tick.

 

[KingJ]

( The Marriage Supper of The Lamb. ) What is the substantive meaning of Christ's Words ( raise your heads up for your redemption draws near )? What is the actual state change? Because I am assuming He is referencing a state change for us and the world as well. If it was not us as well as the world then the state of both would remain the same. However the state of the world will indeed change but yet we know there will be rebellion in the end. That change will come from the loosening of Satan for a season. So what effect does Satan have exactly to produce this final travesty?

There is a thousand years of peace after Armageddon. Toward the end the devil is released from an abyss to tempt mankind for the last time. Rev 20:3.

Many have absolutely no clue what the millennium is for. I cannot believe how silly people are. If all adults on earth are tested with the filtering process of the tribulation, the millennium would be for all children and perhaps also mentally handicapped. God is impartial. If He put the devil with Adam and Eve, He will ensure He puts the devil with every single one of us.

After the millennium is up, we have the white throne judgement day and the New Jerusalem comes to earth.

We have resurrected bodies that will live forever. But, we remain the human race. We do not magically transform into flying fairies. Into cats or dogs. We stay, humans. God wanted humans, so He created humans. Humans do what humans do. A lot will change but a lot will also remain the same. It is extremely wishful thinking and absolute naivety to think your will and who you are will be taken from you when you enter heaven. If you are an annoying person to be around, you will stay an annoying person to be around. Heaven is a society of people. A full scale of people who love the Lord 10/10 to those who just made it into heaven. Of course, just making it into heaven is still quite a feat as I explain in the thread here: What is a Christian and how do you become one?.

As for me I take responsibility and I assume it in the fear of The Lord and in that abiding in Him alone and always is the only shelter from sin.

OSAS / Once saved always saved is true. The suggestion that one can lose their salvation is simply evidence of one not grasping what it takes to become a Christian.

You can abide in God, but as a human, you will fall. It is inevitable. As I explain here Question for non-OSAS believers.

All of it is real and very apparent to anyone who has fought the battle in real and honest terms in their own souls. So should we consider this and remembering this quote from Jesus Christ as to what is necessary for The Lord's acceptance ( indeed only one) alluding to Faith in Himself. So also Paul attests to this in this ( Oh foolish Galatians who has bewitched you?) for clearly Paul preached Christ Crucified. Should we return to using law and a twisted obedience as a way? A way under our own control and not owned, provided, and controlled by The Spirit and Person of Jesus Christ Whom we are commanded to know and abide in? I think this is indeed something to ponder on rather than lay down the law about it. What say you?

I say this is a discussion for the OSAS thread. An anti OSAS belief is unscriptural.

I will give you three points to think on.

1. Paul addresses a mortal sinner in the church in 1 Cor 5:1. One guilty of incest, not stealing candy from the candy store. He says he is a 'brother so called' in 1 Cor 5:11. In laymans terms, Paul is identifying a mortal sinner (not venial) and stating that he is not a Christian. Paul knows this very well, because he used to murder Christians and stopped these mortal sins when he became one.

2. Perhaps the most popular pro anti-OSAS verse is Heb 6:4-6 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance.

A Christian is not someone who has '''''''tasted'''''' / been enlightened with the heavenly gift. As I explain here What is a Christian and how do you become one?.

There are many that are great men and woman of ''''great and amazing faith''''' but are sadly going straight to eternal damnation with all their '''''great faith'''''. Matt 7:21-22.

3. God is not a fool that would graft a devil into heaven and cast a saint into hell. Many quote the verse that says your name can be blotted out. Since all babies go to heaven (for the millennium) the default belief is that all our names are written in the lambs book from birth. As an adult, when you give in to a love of what is evil full measure, you have your name blotted out and shortly after God removes you from the earth with a flood, fire and brimstone or what not else.

 

[KingJ]

Another worthless thread.
What weird thought patterns some individuals have.

Making a case for true free will is a worthless thread?

Free will is perhaps one of the hardest topics for a Christian to make sense of and then to also soundly explain it to the lost in a very logical manner.

As a Christian, your one job is to properly represent God to the lost. Grasping free will will help you to do that.

 

[lentz]

Making a case for true free will is a worthless thread?

Free will is perhaps one of the hardest topics for a Christian to make sense of and then to also soundly explain it to the lost in a very logical manner.

As a Christian, your one job is to properly represent God to the lost. Grasping free will will help you to do that.

Misconstruing scripture is not making a case for free will.
Scripture says there is no sin in heaven,that only righteousness inhabits. You say the scripture lies. That makes you a false teacher and a heretic

 

[KingJ]

TO sin is a choice God gives us the power through the Holy spirit to stop, Only through the Holy spirit can we stop

Incorrect. Scripture?

The Holy Spirit certainly helps us. But we can return to any sin. It is not God forcing us to not return. As a Christian, you have fallen in love with Jesus. It is this love for Jesus that convicts you. When it comes time to sin, you choose Jesus or the sin. In the case of venial sins, we often fall. But in the case of a mortal sin, I doubt a true Christian will ever fall.

Paul never returned to the mortal sin of murdering Christians. But he most certainly battled with venial sins Rom 7:15 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.

..........Now this is the part that has recently come to mind,,, when I was a sinner whole practiced sin on regular basis I was enslaved to the sin, drugs, fornications,, the list goes on, I NO longer do thees sins but I am still a sinner because the the temptation is still there, or at least it is for fornication, God removed the temptation from me for drugs praise Jesus !!

With regards to your sins 'fornication and drugs'. Drugs can be a sin at a mortal level if when you take them you can die. Or that they control your life in an extreme manner. Fornication was a sin in the OT that got people 100 lashes. It is not a mortal sin that received capital punishment of a stoning to death. As such, you can fall into this sin, with or without the Holy Spirit. Especially today with all the temptation we have. But it is certainly a taboo sin, I pray you stay strong and not fall in it again!

So I am not a practicing sinner but because I do still get tempted, I consider my self to have a sin nature,,,,,,,,,,,,,, When we go to heaven I believe God will remove any temptation from us, but we know for sure sin will not happen in heaven for no flesh can inherit the kingdom of God,

Your flesh is not the reason you sin. Your flesh is weak and more prone to sin. If the spirit could not sin, then how do you explain angels sinning?

God does remove the wicked and the devil. So to a degree your statement is correct. But don't be naive. There will always be some form of temptation to sin. Do you think you are going to be a floating cloud, a fairy, a cat or a human in heaven? Maybe if you are a cat, you won't sin.

If anyone is still practicing sin after claiming to be born again, huge red flag, and prayers go up,, but chances are they are blind and unable to know the truth

Christians are repentant sinners. They hate what is evil and cling to what is good Rom 12:9. This does not mean they are perfectly without sin. Only that they do not 'continue' in sin.

Sin separates us from God, and we know God will be in heaven/

Correct. Isa 59:2. But this does not mean we will not sin in heaven.

All sinners were cast to Hades before Jesus. There was a divide therein between repentant and unrepentant sinner Luke 16. Repentant sinners were in a paradise called Abrahams bosom. They were not suffering in a fire.

Jesus came to those in Abrahams bosom, and today is there for all who repent. He takes the repentant sinner, washes them clean and grafts them into heaven. The family of God. Here the repentant sinner can be with God for all eternity. The repentant sinner never stops being the repentant sinner.

Please re-read my OP of this thread. I define sin and explain the reason for the title.

Can We Know We Won’t Sin?​

'Christ promises on the New Earth, “There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away” (Revelation 21:4). Since “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23), the promise of no more death is a promise of no more sin. Those who will never die can never sin, since sinners always die. Sin causes mourning, crying, and pain. If those will never occur again, then sin can never occur again."
by Randy Alcorn

​

This is not scripture you have quoted. Rather someone's incorrect interpretation of scripture.

Take this line as an example ''Those who will never die can never sin, since sinners always die'' The reason people don't sin is because they never die? Unrepentant sinners will also 'never die' in hell for all eternity.

Please quote the actual scriptures and explain your rebuttal. I don't want to assume the point you are making.

 

[KingJ]

Misconstruing scripture is not making a case for free will.

That is a serious accusation, can you prove it?

Scripture says there is no sin in heaven,that only righteousness inhabits. You say the scripture lies. That makes you a false teacher and a heretic

Righteous = repentant sinner. What do you think a righteous inhabitant of heaven is? A cat or mouse that doesn't sin?

You can't talk nicely on this forum to a fellow Christian. You accuse me of being a heretic. Do you think God will change your personality / will and thinking in heaven? God will force you to conform to being someone you are not? That is very wishful thinking.

No Lentz, if you died today, you would still be a cold critic who does not apply much effort to rebuttals. Lentz is who Lentz is. God does not and will not change you. Ever. If He did, well then 'Lentz' would cease to be . Imagine that. No more Lentz. Once upon a time there was someone called Lentz. Then Lentz went to heaven and ceased to be who they are. Lentz was no more. RIP Lentz.

 

[lentz]

That is a serious accusation, can you prove it?



Righteous = repentant sinner. What do you think a righteous inhabitant of heaven is? A cat or mouse that doesn't sin?

You can't talk nicely on this forum to a fellow Christian. You accuse me of being a heretic. Do you think God will change your personality / will and thinking in heaven? God will force you to conform to being someone you are not? That is very wishful thinking.

No Lentz, if you died today, you would still be a cold critic who does not apply much effort to rebuttals. Lentz is who Lentz is. God does not and will not change you. Ever. If He did, well then 'Lentz' would cease to be . Imagine that. No more Lentz. Once upon a time there was someone called Lentz. Then Lentz went to heaven and ceased to be who they are. Lentz was no more. RIP Lentz.

Yes heretic,read the scriptures for yourself.
I will give you a hint,KJV

 

[KingJ]

Yes heretic,read the scriptures for yourself.

I quote many scriptures in the OP. I propose you quote them and give your explanation on them.

I will give you a hint,KJV

Sorry, I don't get the hint.

 

[KingJ]

Yes heretic,read the scriptures for yourself.
I will give you a hint,KJV

I am 100% convinced that you have only read the title of this thread and not the OP .

Calling someone a heretic when you can't be bothered to read their OP, imagine that.

 

[lentz]

I am 100% convinced that you have only read the title of this thread and not the OP .

Calling someone a heretic when you can't be bothered to read their OP, imagine that.

Everyone has read your posts.
I will have nothing else to say to you

 

[KingJ]

Everyone has read your posts.

Yes and most have a meaningful discussion as they have read the OP.

I will have nothing else to say to you

Clearly. Personal insults are usually one liners.

 

[lentz]

For the love of God, could you please stop blaspheming him? You think abortion is irrelevant? No, it has EVERYTHING to do with eternal separation and torment, because EVIL LEFTISTS are throwing babies into the fire! Just like the Canaanites offering theirs to Molech!

To clarify, God sends NO ONE into that lake of fire, Satan is bringing them in there, while God is SAVING them FROM THERE! How can you be so ignorant and blind to see that?

You know, the world is going full throttle in the direction of 1984, black is white, up is down, weakness is strength, as Isaiah prophecied in Is. 5:20 - "Woe to those who call evil good. and good evil, who put darkness for light. and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet. and sweet for bitter!" If you call yourself a child of God, then stop calling good evil and putting light for darkness.

Amen