Sinning never ends

[KingJ]

If you think this is just about behavior and some modification could fix that, you're gravely mistaken. Or maybe you believe as the Catholics taught that "eating the forbidden fruit" is a euphemism of premarital sex? I don't wanna go there, man. Either way, maybe we should just agree to disagree. May God bless you, give you peace and lead you to a study on the book of Romans so you can learn it better on this subject.

I can't agree to disagree with you on this.

You teach God is a wicked fool.

Wicked = He can send babies and children to an eternal fire.

Fool = He blames all mankind for one man's sin.

Your message of God to the lost is heretical. It is on my list of the worst messages going around False teaching.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I can't agree to disagree with you on this.

You teach God is a wicked fool.

Wicked = He can send babies and children to an eternal fire.

Fool = He blames all mankind for one man's sin.

Your message of God to the lost is heretical. It is on my list of the worst messages going around False teaching.

That is just your angry rant with no bearing on any biblical truth. Again, you're denying the original sin and the need for salvation from it. I have no problem at reading English, you have a problem at accepting John 3:18 and Romans 5:18 and many others that espouse this basic theology. I understand that these days the concept of sin is no longer taught in most churches because it's "offensive", tickling ears are turned away from sound doctrines. If that's you, then I just feel sorry for you, and I'm no gonna call you names like you did to me. I've passed that.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I can't agree to disagree with you on this.

You teach God is a wicked fool.

Wicked = He can send babies and children to an eternal fire.

Fool = He blames all mankind for one man's sin.

Your message of God to the lost is heretical. It is on my list of the worst messages going around False teaching.

You're brainwashed by the modern leftist thinking. And don't bother to use that "children under 20 clause" in Num. 32 to falsely justify your heresy. A few examples:

"he who strikes his father or his mother shall surely be put to death;" - Ex. 21:15
"he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death;" - Ex. 21:17
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of the place of his city, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall put away the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear." - Deut. 21:18-21

Whether they go to eternal fire or not I do not know, that's up to God, but these sentences surely don't sound like a ticket to heaven to me.

 

[KingJ]

That is just your angry rant with no bearing on any biblical truth. Again, you're denying the original sin and the need for salvation from it. I have no problem at reading English, you have a problem at accepting John 3:18 and Romans 5:18 and many others that espouse this basic theology. I understand that these days the concept of sin is no longer taught in most churches because it's "offensive", tickling ears are turned away from sound doctrines. If that's you, then I just feel sorry for you.

Neither of the two scriptures you quoted support your wicked theory. The fact that you think they do is shocking.

John 3:18 - There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.

This is one of the most contentious scriptures in the bible. Along with one like John 14:6 'I am the way the truth and the light'.

If we cannot explain these scriptures to the lost, we need to keep quiet. All who miss-teach scripture need to be '''terrified'' of God. That is something you are not grasping. You seem to think properly representing God to the lost is not your job. Well, all Christians should spend their first day at Sunday school learning the importance of being God's ambassador's on earth.2 Cor 5:20.

Now, the context of John 3:18.

This verse needs a verse like John 14:6 for context. There is wisdom behind the verse. Wisdom a Christian 'should' know and be able to share with those that make the mistake of reading it 'as is'.

The wisdom is that God will accept all those who truthfully repent Psalm 51:17. All those who truthfully repent, will get a revelation of Jesus as they are opening the door to Jesus Rev 3:20, James 4:8, 1 Cor 12:3.

Hence quoting this verse without an explanation can be getting the cart before the horse. The cart is real, but so too is the horse. A Christian, needs to explain the horse in this case. Otherwise it 'could' be used for false teaching, as you are doing.

Rom 5:18 - Yes, Adam's one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ's one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone.

Another verse that needs a Christian to properly explain.

First off, understand that Adam's sin does not incriminate all, just as Jesus does not save all. Even though that scripture says ''new life for everyone''.

We need to accommodate this verse with some further scriptures for context:

Matt 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
1 Tim 2:4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Matt 22:14 For many are invited, but few are chosen.

From these verses we can establish that when Rom 5:18 says Jesus died so that all can have new life, it means that the gift is given to all, but only those that accept it, receive it.

Now, likewise, we can apply the same principle to Adam's sin. When considering verses like these:

Rom 2:6 will repay each person according to what they have done.
Matt 19:4 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.
Num 32:11 Because they have not followed me wholeheartedly, not one of those who were twenty years old or more when they came up out of Egypt will see the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jaco
Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in all His ways
Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God would do wrong, that the Almighty would pervert justice.

From the above and all the OT scripture on Abraham's bosom, we can determine that Adam's sin 'stains us all' merely in the sense that we are born into a world that knows sin. Is tainted by sin. The 'everyone' refers to adults. All adults will sin as Jesus makes the point in Matt 5:28 that a thought can be sin. We can all think sinful thoughts, thanks to....Adam. The knowledge of evil is in the world. We all know that being naked in public for example is a sin. Well all adults, certainly not babies. I truly cannot believe how ignorant you are.

If you take Rom 5:18 as evidence that God will send babies to hell, you are 100% guilty of cherry picking and false teaching.

EVERYONE with less then half a working brain will agree that giving babies any kind of punishment is wicked and foolish.

YET you espouse this.

My advice to you is to keep quiet and learn more about God. I would NOT want to be you standing before God one-day on judgement day.

 

[KingJ]

You're brainwashed by the modern leftist thinking. And don't bother to use that "children under 20 clause" in Num. 32 to falsely justify your heresy. A few examples:

"he who strikes his father or his mother shall surely be put to death;" - Ex. 21:15
"he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death;" - Ex. 21:17
"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of the place of his city, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall put away the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear." - Deut. 21:18-21

Whether they go to eternal fire or not I do not know, that's up to God, but these sentences surely don't sound like a ticket to heaven to me.

More cherry picking. A Christian, whose one job is to properly represent God to the lost, needs to better explain verses like these.

If you study the actual implementation of Ex 21:15, you will see there are more scriptures to consider and Jewish practices with such cases. For starters, all cases were judged by a panel of elders. Only the worse of the worse cases with absolute evidence were taken to the level taught here.

Is this how you go around teaching Christianity?

Do you think this verse means children would go straight to hell? It speaks to / is evidence of God wanting an upright society.

Regarding heaven and hell. We need to remember that stoning of Adults would not always result in them going to hell / the bad part of Hades / missing Abraham's bosom. Those guilty of mortal sin mentioned in the OT were given the opportunity to repent before they were stoned. They were taught Psalm 51:17. Children would be defaulted to paradise, as God is not an idiot. According to Paul He is wise Rom 16:27.

How does it feel knowing that Paul says God is wise and yet you teach all the lost that He died for, that He is a wicked fool?

 

[KingJ]

That is just your angry rant with no bearing on any biblical truth.

You are welcome to debate there. Anyone who disagrees with anything I have said there run the risk of exposing themself as a false teacher.

I have scriptures upon scriptures to back up every argument raised there.

I would be terrified of painting God as a wicked fool. It is WISE to FEAR God Pro 9:10.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

More cherry picking. A Christian, whose one job is to properly represent God to the lost, needs to better explain verses like these.

If you study the actual implementation of Ex 21:15, you will see there are more scriptures to consider and Jewish practices with such cases. For starters, all cases were judged by a panel of elders. Only the worse of the worse cases with absolute evidence were taken to the level taught here.

Is this how you go around teaching Christianity?

Do you think this verse means children would go straight to hell? It speaks to / is evidence of God wanting an upright society.

Regarding heaven and hell. We need to remember that stoning of Adults would not always result in them going to hell / the bad part of Hades / missing Abraham's bosom. Those guilty of mortal sin mentioned in the OT were given the opportunity to repent before they were stoned. They were taught Psalm 51:17. Children would be defaulted to paradise, as God is not an idiot. According to Paul He is wise Rom 16:27.

How does it feel knowing that Paul says God is wise and yet you teach all the lost that He died for, that He is a wicked fool?

This is just more egregious lies that you’re spreading. Psalms 51:17 says “broken spirit” and “repentant heart”, those are like the opposite of “rebellious and stubborn” in Deut. 21:18-21. Yeah, only the worst got convicted and stoned, so what? Children were still held accountable under the rule of law, they were surely not innocent by default as you described. This is typical leftist gaslighting, black is white, up is down, weakness is strength, and you’re adopting it. Yes, God is wise, that’s why He have those laws to Moses in the first place!

And for the record, you’re the one calling God an idiot and a wicked fool just because you don’t like these laws I quoted. And again, God will judge and decide who goes up and who goes down, according to his book of life, not your twisted narrative.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You are welcome to debate there. Anyone who disagrees with anything I have said there run the risk of exposing themself as a false teacher.

I have scriptures upon scriptures to back up every argument raised there.

I would be terrified of painting God as a wicked fool. It is WISE to FEAR God Pro 9:10.

You’re already guilty of pride, the worst sin of all sins by professing to be wise and challenging the word of God.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Neither of the two scriptures you quoted support your wicked theory. The fact that you think they do is shocking.

John 3:18 - There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.

This is one of the most contentious scriptures in the bible. Along with one like John 14:6 'I am the way the truth and the light'.

If we cannot explain these scriptures to the lost, we need to keep quiet. All who miss-teach scripture need to be '''terrified'' of God. That is something you are not grasping. You seem to think properly representing God to the lost is not your job. Well, all Christians should spend their first day at Sunday school learning the importance of being God's ambassador's on earth.2 Cor 5:20.

Now, the context of John 3:18.

This verse needs a verse like John 14:6 for context. There is wisdom behind the verse. Wisdom a Christian 'should' know and be able to share with those that make the mistake of reading it 'as is'.

The wisdom is that God will accept all those who truthfully repent Psalm 51:17. All those who truthfully repent, will get a revelation of Jesus as they are opening the door to Jesus Rev 3:20, James 4:8, 1 Cor 12:3.

Hence quoting this verse without an explanation can be getting the cart before the horse. The cart is real, but so too is the horse. A Christian, needs to explain the horse in this case. Otherwise it 'could' be used for false teaching, as you are doing.

Rom 5:18 - Yes, Adam's one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ's one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone.

Another verse that needs a Christian to properly explain.

First off, understand that Adam's sin does not incriminate all, just as Jesus does not save all. Even though that scripture says ''new life for everyone''.

We need to accommodate this verse with some further scriptures for context:

Matt 7:21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
1 Tim 2:4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Matt 22:14 For many are invited, but few are chosen.

From these verses we can establish that when Rom 5:18 says Jesus died so that all can have new life, it means that the gift is given to all, but only those that accept it, receive it.

Now, likewise, we can apply the same principle to Adam's sin. When considering verses like these:

Rom 2:6 will repay each person according to what they have done.
Matt 19:4 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.
Num 32:11 Because they have not followed me wholeheartedly, not one of those who were twenty years old or more when they came up out of Egypt will see the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jaco
Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in all His ways
Job 34:12 It is unthinkable that God would do wrong, that the Almighty would pervert justice.

From the above and all the OT scripture on Abraham's bosom, we can determine that Adam's sin 'stains us all' merely in the sense that we are born into a world that knows sin. Is tainted by sin. The 'everyone' refers to adults. All adults will sin as Jesus makes the point in Matt 5:28 that a thought can be sin. We can all think sinful thoughts, thanks to....Adam. The knowledge of evil is in the world. We all know that being naked in public for example is a sin. Well all adults, certainly not babies. I truly cannot believe how ignorant you are.

If you take Rom 5:18 as evidence that God will send babies to hell, you are 100% guilty of cherry picking and false teaching.

EVERYONE with less then half a working brain will agree that giving babies any kind of punishment is wicked and foolish.

YET you espouse this.

My advice to you is to keep quiet and learn more about God. I would NOT want to be you standing before God one-day on judgement day.

You think these two verses are all that the Scripture has to offer? Those two verses are just the most obvious ones, here're a few more:

"We have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; There is noen who understands; there is none who seeks God." - Rom. 3:9-11
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." - Rom. 5:12
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Rom. 6:23
"O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of sin?" - Rom. 7:24
"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins." - Eph. 2:2
"Even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ." - Eph. 2:5
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." - Ps. 51:5
"The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies." - Ps. 58:3
"For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.” - Gen. 3:19

Unlike you, I have no need of cherrypicking, such examples are numerous, I could go on and on, because I know that the bible is consistent, the same message is conveyed throughout all 66 books - Jesus died for MY SIN. You deny the original sin, you deny the need for Jesus, and thus you are speaking the tongue of devil and accusing me of what you've been doing.

Regarding the verses you quoted, I have already debunked your misinterpretation of Num 32:11, promised land is NOT heaven, and chilren were still subject to the rule of law; Matt 19:4 shows God's love and mercy unto chilren through Yeshua; He came to preach the kingdom of heaven to those children so they could have access to enter in. In your logic, those children should go to heaven by default, then why did Yeshua come to them despite His disciples' objection? The reason is John 14:6 - "I am the way, the truth, the life, no one goes to the Father except through me." The same "context" you quoted. You think that you're being compassionate by promoting the idea of "sinless babies and children", but in fact, you're being cruel by depriving their opportunity to meet Yeshua in their formative years, an without Yeshua, they're condemned to let sin conceive and grow in their hearts; and "when it is full-grown, gives birth to death", James 1:15. You're the one who's teaching falsehood, you've never explained Jn. 3:18 and Rom. 5:18 properly, you just reverted back to your lying narrative, and I will not be silent at that. My advice is for you to repent, or you will be called the least in God's kingdom - Matt. 5:19.

 

[KingJ]

You think these two verses are all that the Scripture has to offer? Those two verses are just the most obvious ones, here're a few more:

"We have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; There is noen who understands; there is none who seeks God." - Rom. 3:9-11
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." - Rom. 5:12
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Rom. 6:23
"O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of sin?" - Rom. 7:24
"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins." - Eph. 2:2
"Even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ." - Eph. 2:5
"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." - Ps. 51:5
"The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies." - Ps. 58:3
"For dust you are, and to dust you shall return.” - Gen. 3:19

Unlike you, I have no need of cherrypicking, such examples are numerous, I could go on and on, because I know that the bible is consistent, the same message is conveyed throughout all 66 books - Jesus died for MY SIN. You deny the original sin, you deny the need for Jesus, and thus you are speaking the tongue of devil and accusing me of what you've been doing.

Regarding the verses you quoted, I have already debunked your misinterpretation of Num 32:11, promised land is NOT heaven, and chilren were still subject to the rule of law; Matt 19:4 shows God's love and mercy unto chilren through Yeshua; He came to preach the kingdom of heaven to those children so they could have access to enter in. In your logic, those children should go to heaven by default, then why did Yeshua come to them despite His disciples' objection? The reason is John 14:6 - "I am the way, the truth, the life, no one goes to the Father except through me." The same "context" you quoted. You think that you're being compassionate by promoting the idea of "sinless babies and children", but in fact, you're being cruel by depriving their opportunity to meet Yeshua in their formative years, an without Yeshua, they're condemned to let sin conceive and grow in their hearts; and "when it is full-grown, gives birth to death", James 1:15. You're the one who's teaching falsehood, you've never explained Jn. 3:18 and Rom. 5:18 properly, you just reverted back to your lying narrative, and I will not be silent at that. My advice is for you to repent, or you will be called the least in God's kingdom - Matt. 5:19.

Your problem is that you are reading all those scriptures with your dark glasses on. Take them off. Grasp that scripture speaks to adults who are accountable. It should be painfully obvious.

Regarding Num 32:11, you debunked an argument you raised. I never said it guaranteed them heaven. God gave them a chance to be tested as adults. I would have thought that is dead obvious.

I have also explained that children will be tested another day. There your brain is working fine. All mankind must be tested. But not as children, I repeat, God is not an idiot. Stop teaching He is.

If you think a baby can accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior or follow a verse like Matt 16:24.....you are the definition of insane.

Chew on the fact that the unsaved know not to punish children and babies as adults, then grasp that Paul rebukes all Christians who cannot judge matters better then the unsaved in 1 Cor 6:1-7, then grasp that Paul would rebuke you.

Read this link, it gives the example of a child being punished for a fathers sin. IE It shows that animals and children are in a bracket separate to adults. It also shows that David was confident his child was in heaven.

10. Where Do Infants Go When They Die? 2 Samuel 12 (death of a baby) | Bible.org

Background: This was a young child, who suddenly died. There is a passage of Scripture in the Book of II Samuel which offers each of us great comfort in the death of this little one whose death as an infant may seem untimely, Then the Lord struck the child that Uriah's widow bore to David, so...

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[KingJ]

You’re already guilty of pride, the worst sin of all sins by professing to be wise and challenging the word of God.

Challenging the word of God? You have no clue who God is if you think He would send babies to eternal fire. Absolutely no clue.

Every scripture that says ''God is just'' debunks your interpretation of original sin. I repeat, you are painting God as a wicked fool. Unjust.

No my friend, you are so completely in error that I will be adding you to my prayer list.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Your problem is that you are reading all those scriptures with your dark glasses on. Take them off. Grasp that scripture speaks to adults who are accountable. It should be painfully obvious.

Regarding Num 32:11, you debunked an argument you raised. I never said it guaranteed them heaven. God gave them a chance to be tested as adults. I would have thought that is dead obvious.

I have also explained that children will be tested another day. There your brain is working fine. All mankind must be tested. But not as children, I repeat, God is not an idiot. Stop teaching He is.

If you think a baby can accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior or follow a verse like Matt 16:24.....you are the definition of insane.

Chew on the fact that the unsaved know not to punish children and babies as adults, then grasp that Paul rebukes all Christians who cannot judge matters better then the unsaved in 1 Cor 6:1-7, then grasp that Paul would rebuke you.

No, that's your argument, that by no means God will send babies and children to hell, and you used Num. 32:11 to back that up. You fail to realize and accept that God sends NO ONE to hell, or to be specific, the Lake of Fire, not even Mao, Stalin or Hitler; all who end up in there take their journey VOLUNTARILY, the broad way to destruction, exactly as Yeshua taught. Quite the opposite, God is so compassionate and merciful that he gave his only son Yeshua to die for us as an atonement, he's pulling as many as he can from that broad way and guide them to the narrow road that leads to eternal life. You are the one blaspheming God by repeatly calling him an idiot, not me, because I know God's character through Yeshua, you don't.

Also, have you noticed that these days there're so many crimes committed by "rebellious and stubborn" kids? From shoplifting all the way up to school shooting? That's partially the result of your logic that "only adults are accountable" while kids are not. Little devils are still devils, and that's your fault if you keep turning a blind eye on this just because they're children. If you have a family, you should know the importance of discipline better than anybody else.

Read this link, it gives the example of a child being punished for a fathers sin. IE It shows that animals and children are in a bracket separate to adults. It also shows that David was confident his child was in heaven.

10. Where Do Infants Go When They Die? 2 Samuel 12 (death of a baby) | Bible.org

Background: This was a young child, who suddenly died. There is a passage of Scripture in the Book of II Samuel which offers each of us great comfort in the death of this little one whose death as an infant may seem untimely, Then the Lord struck the child that Uriah's widow bore to David, so...

bible.org

"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." - Ezekiel 18:20

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Challenging the word of God? You have no clue who God is if you think He would send babies to eternal fire. Absolutely no clue.

Every scripture that says ''God is just'' debunks your interpretation of original sin. I repeat, you are painting God as a wicked fool. Unjust.

No my friend, you are so completely in error that I will be adding you to my prayer list.

Again, that's you blaspheming God's holy name, that's your baseless accusation against God. You are equating God took on flesh and died for our sins with Molech who literally sent babies to flaming fire, not me.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Challenging the word of God? You have no clue who God is if you think He would send babies to eternal fire. Absolutely no clue.

Every scripture that says ''God is just'' debunks your interpretation of original sin. I repeat, you are painting God as a wicked fool. Unjust.

No my friend, you are so completely in error that I will be adding you to my prayer list.

Friend, if you really have a clue at God and his character, then you should've known that he loves us as his own kids, and because he is a just and wise God who loves us so much, he MUST hate sin that destroys us and hurts the people around us, ESPECIALLY in children whose minds are still open and mellable, not as stiff-necked as adults. You know what I think? I think God is SAVING babies from Satan-possossed leftists who send babies to eternal fire. You are just too blind to see that.

 

[KingJ]

No, that's your argument, that by no means God will send babies and children to hell, and you used Num. 32:11 to back that up. You fail to realize and accept that God sends NO ONE to hell, or to be specific, the Lake of Fire, not even Mao, Stalin or Hitler; all who end up in there take their journey VOLUNTARILY, the broad way to destruction, exactly as Yeshua taught. Quite the opposite, God is so compassionate and merciful that he gave his only son Yeshua to die for us as an atonement, he's pulling as many as he can from that broad way and guide them to the narrow road that leads to eternal life. You are the one blaspheming God by repeatly calling him an idiot, not me, because I know God's character through Yeshua, you don't.

Babies and children cannot choose ''voluntarily''. The unsaved get this right, you embarrass Christianity and Num 32:11 is flying over your head.

Also, have you noticed that these days there're so many crimes committed by "rebellious and stubborn" kids? From shoplifting all the way up to school shooting? That's partially the result of your logic that "only adults are accountable" while kids are not. Little devils are still devils, and that's your fault if you keep turning a blind eye on this just because they're children. If you have a family, you should know the importance of discipline better than anybody else.

I cannot believe a Christian can type this.

"The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." - Ezekiel 18:20

You just don't get it. This speaks to the exact point I made about Adam being accountable for his own sin and not me for his 'original sin'. You also do not understand the scripture in Samuel. You are confusing two separate matters.

 

[KingJ]

Again, that's you blaspheming God's holy name, that's your baseless accusation against God. You are equating God took on flesh and died for our sins with Molech who literally sent babies to flaming fire, not me.

You are insinuating God will do worse then Molech, aren't you? eternal fire?

 

[KingJ]

Friend, if you really have a clue at God and his character, then you should've known that he loves us as his own kids, and because he is a just and wise God who loves us so much, he MUST hate sin that destroys us and hurts the people around us, ESPECIALLY in children whose minds are still open and mellable, not as stiff-necked as adults. You know what I think? I think God is SAVING babies from Satan-possossed leftists who send babies to eternal fire. You are just too blind to see that.

I don't want to talk about children with you. You can't even grasp babies yet. Let's focus on babies. You are espousing God is not love, not just and an absolute fool if you teach babies default to hell.

God is defined by His actions. Not only His words.

You are embarrassing yourself and the bible. I would just keep quiet for now and re-read the posts I gave to you over and over until what should be dead obvious for a Christian sinks in.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I don't want to talk about children with you. You can't even grasp babies yet. Let's focus on babies. You are espousing God is not love, not just and an absolute fool if you teach babies default to hell.

You remind me of men who beat their wives and then say ''I love you''. God is defined by His actions. Not only His words.

You are embarrassing yourself and the bible. I would just keep quiet for now and re-read the posts I gave to you over and over until what should be dead obvious for a Christian sinks in.

I don't believe you really care about any baby or child or God, you're just like those leftists using them as a focus group to attack your opponent by emotional blackmailing, and you know nothing about God's love or his action, as you can't discern good from evil. You're upset only because I challenged your erroneous doctrine, and you repeated blaspheme God for what this evil world does to babies and children.

 

[KingJ]

I don't believe you really care about any baby or child or God, you're just like those leftists using them as a focus group to attack your opponent by emotional blackmailing, and you know nothing about God's love or his action, as you can't discern good from evil. You're upset only because I challenged your erroneous doctrine, and you repeated blaspheme God for what this evil world does to babies and children.

You teach the lost that God loves and died for that...He is a wicked fool who will send all babies to an eternal fire.

The worst leftist message has nothing on your message.

You cannot fail harder at miss-representing God. I am so eagerly waiting to hear the words ''I am just kidding'' from you.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Babies and children cannot choose ''voluntarily''. The unsaved get this right, you embarrass Christianity and Num 32:11 is flying over your head.

John 9:1-3 is flying over your head. You still can't answer "whose sin is it" for the man's blindness -as a baby. All you did is just dismissing it, and you just keep repeating your misinterpretation of Num. 32:11. Gaslighting is not working at there.

I cannot believe a Christian can type this. You are void of all reason.

Am I? Or are you so blind to see how babies and children are being corrupted by the leftists in this evil world? You insist that babies and children cannot choose ''voluntarily'', but how could they not when all they're taught at school is full of lies from hell? They are the ones who abort babies and maim children through sex change surgeries, and you're at here with the audacity to yell at me who exposes all of this?

You just don't get it. This speaks to the exact point I made about Adam being accountable for his own sin and not me for his 'original sin'. You also do not understand the scripture in Samuel. You are confusing two separate matters in an attempt to hold onto your wicked theory.

Then why did Cain kill his brother Abel? Where did that come from? Yes, there are different sins that can be put into different categories such as the seven deadly sins, but all sins in essence are disobedience against God, stemming from Adam's original sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.