Sinning never ends

[Charlie24]

My whole Christian life has been around self taught theologians.
I got ruined on churches for a while. But I believe he and others,find a good bible teaching denomination. Baptist if possible.
General Baptist would be better

I'm a Baptist myself, and I'm a firm believer in Proverbs 1:23.

"Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."

I'm far from perfect and find myself repenting before God more often than I care to share.

And I do my best to hear and respond to His reproof in my life.

I want to know His truth, I've built my life around His Words.

It is my opinion this is how we get His truth.

 

[lentz]

I'm a Baptist myself, and I'm a firm believer in Proverbs 1:23.

"Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you."

I'm far from perfect and find myself repenting before God more often than I care to share.

And I do my best to hear and respond to His reproof in my life.

I want to know His truth, I've built my life around His Words.

It is my opinion this is how we get His truth.

I’m General Baptist,but will say it anyway…. Hallelujah

 

[KingJ]

Kingj, would you agree with me that all the corruption in this world came through sin?

Not part of it, but ALL of it?

With regards to humans, that is a sound statement.

A little venial sin like eating forbidden fruit resulted in corruption.

But, with regards to angels it is a slightly different situation. I will better explain if our discussion goes there.

 

[Charlie24]

I’m General Baptist,but will say it anyway…. Hallelujah

Some are moving away from denominations and that's ok.

There are some Churches that give denominations as bad name.

I claim Baptist and believe in the general teachings of that denomination.

 

[KingJ]

Mark 10:18 has nothing to do with the church in heaven.
Further more,at the time Jesus was saying it,and even now,there is none good.
You have no understanding of scripture.
I asked you to prove your point and you can only come up with Mark 10?
Please

You are not making any sense.

You asked for a scripture that says there is sin in heaven.

Mark 10:18 is the words of Jesus stating that ONLY God is good.

IF ONLY God is good, what does that mean humans and angels in heaven are?

Really not hard. Please try apply yourself to the discussion and stop being rude.

 

[KingJ]

Will it be possible to sin in heaven? Will people in heaven be able to sin?

Will it be possible to sin in heaven? Will people in heaven be able to sin? Will sin exist in heaven?

www.compellingtruth.org

Lentz you are truly painful. Is this your first time on a discussion forum? You cannot 'Google' and then post a massive article.

Read the article you linked and snippet the sections you think apply and need to be considered. I am discussing on Talk Jesus with you and others. I am not on that website debunking their statements.

 

[Charlie24]

With regards to humans, that is a sound statement.

A little venial sin like eating forbidden fruit resulted in corruption.

But, with regards to angels it is a slightly different situation. I will better explain if our discussion goes there.

I don't see where angels have anything to do with this discussion.

Man is God's greatest creation, and Christ gave His life for mankind, not angels.

Angels are a different creation with a different purpose.

It is man that's co-heir with Christ in all that God has.

 

[lentz]

I don't see where angels have anything to do with this discussion.

Man is God's greatest creation, and Christ gave His life for mankind, not angels.

Angels are a different creation with a different purpose.

It is man that's co-heir with Christ in all that God has.

I think he is caught up in a new woke religion. And blind as a bat scripturaly

 

[lentz]

Lentz you are truly painful. Is this your first time on a discussion forum? You cannot 'Google' and then post a massive article.

Read the article you linked and snippet the sections you think apply and need to be considered. I am discussing on Talk Jesus with you and others. I am not on that website debunking their statements.

You will never understand.
4 or 5 people have pointed out your error. Every one is wrong and you’re right.
We show you scripture and you denounce it. Stay asleep

 

[KingJ]

I don't see where angels have anything to do with this discussion.

Man is God's greatest creation, and Christ gave His life for mankind, not angels.

Angels are a different creation with a different purpose.

It is man that's co-heir with Christ in all that God has.

I was expecting you to make a point. What is the point you wanted to make?

You have jumped at a tangent on the angels. The relevance is that they sinned before Adam and Eve. The devil in his sinful state was placed on earth.

Please make the point you wanted to make.

 

[KingJ]

I think he is caught up in a new woke religion. And blind as a bat scripturaly

I would argue this is more your position then mine. Your interpretation of Mark 10:18 is that we will be perfectly sinless like God in heaven.

Woke people expect freebies, hyper grace, anything goes, believe magical words gets you saved,

But SADLY, you just don't type enough for me to know what you believe. Half your posts are simply sarcasm and insults. You are really one grumpy old man.

 

[KingJ]

You will never understand.
4 or 5 people have pointed out your error. Every one is wrong and you’re right.
We show you scripture and you denounce it. Stay asleep

Stop being lazy and learn to quote and snippet your article. What in there do you think is important to grasp? Is it scripture? I don't like reading anything that is not scriptural.

4-5? Perhaps more. Numbers = correct in your mind?

If you read the thread, which I doubt you have, you will see I have addressed all questions and have to this post not been debunked. I am humble and open to correction. You clearly aren't . The OP is a hypothesis. ''Case for sin never ending''. But you clearly missed that. Too eager to be rude and disrespectful. A chat site that requires effort is clearly not your cup of tea.

 

[Charlie24]

I was expecting you to make a point. What is the point you wanted to make?

You have jumped at a tangent on the angels. The relevance is that they sinned before Adam and Eve. The devil in his sinful state was placed on earth.

Please make the point you wanted to make.

My point is that God's plan of redemption does not include angels, so why do you include them in the conversation on sin?

What is your purpose in doing that?

 

[lentz]

I would argue this is more your position then mine. Your interpretation of Mark 10:18 is that we will be perfectly sinless like God in heaven.

Woke people expect freebies, hyper grace, anything goes, believe magical words gets you saved,

But SADLY, you just don't type enough for me to know what you believe. Half your posts are simply sarcasm and insults. You are really one grumpy old man.

But you keep coming back for more.
I have written you off as a heretic and will leave you to it.
But do find a real Bible teacher and listen to him

 

[KingJ]

Here is the point you wanted to make. You went off at a tangent with the angels, because I mentioned angels.

Something else he doesn't realize is that all the corruption in this world came through the sin of man.

What is your point?

Mankind like the angels has high intelligence. Falling into sin was an inevitability. God could not create mankind with evil as God is not evil. But God did make mankind and the angels with the ability to do evil. IE Free will. As free will is good.

At the resurrection the corruptible is made incorruptible, this is where sin is no more.

Ok, I see your point. No, you are mistaken. On one hand, yes. We are made perfect as we are washed by the blood of Jesus.

This DOES NOT EQUATE TO us being PERFECT as God is PERFECT. Excuse my bold, but this is now the fifth time I have explained this.

We are MADE PERFECT to God because we opened the door to Jesus Rev 3:20.

PLEASE read slowly and meditate on Heb 10:14. @lentz , you too!!

Heb 10:14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

We are made perfect to God by the sacrifice of Jesus. In heaven we go from glory to glory. In fact, from the time we are first truly saved we have started our journey of going from holy to holy. But SADLY as we are a human creation we will NEVER be perfect as God is. IE We continue to make mistakes of sin, for all eternity. IE Perfect TO God, NOT perfect LIKE God.

This is really not hard to understand.

I think his intensions are well meant, he's just caught up in false teaching.

Its not false teaching my friend. It is explaining true free will.

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Take a stab at the point I am making. Namely, Free will in heaven.

If sin is defined as disobedience to a command from God, how is it possible to have free will if you cannot sin?

As I state in my OP ''As God is perfectly good. Not perfect because He is ''God''. Sin is best defined as any kind of rebellion to Him. For true free will to exist, one has to on some level be able to rebel to Him.''

 

[KingJ]

He threatened to report me and have me banned.
Lol,that wouldn’t effect me in the least.
If I get banned for standing for truth,I don’t want to be here anyway.

You deserve a temp ban as you have trolled my posts. The last 30 posts from you have been short, insulting and void of any scriptures or edifying rebuttals.

 

[KingJ]

My point is that God's plan of redemption does not include angels, so why do you include them in the conversation on sin?

What is your purpose in doing that?

Well you were asking about the origin of corruption in the world coming and suggesting it came from the sin of Adam.

That is not entirely correct. The angels were first to sin. Earth was corrupted by Adam's sin at a point in time when it was prepared for mankind.

I believe in a pre-adamic era where fallen angels roamed the earth. But a discussion for another thread.

 

[KingJ]

But you keep coming back for more.
I have written you off as a heretic and will leave you to it.
But do find a real Bible teacher and listen to him

You need to look closer at scripture and always try grasp the bigger picture.

Also understand that it is a Christians 'one' job to properly represent God to the lost. As such, we need to properly interrogate and look to understand the nitty gritty of scriptures. Have a proper and sound explanation for someone asking.

Take your statement on hell that you made as an example. You said people go to a fire for all eternity and all sinners burn the same. That is something one can expect from an evil and unjust God. Any person past the age of 4 or 5 can read the verse as you did. It is your job as a Christian to ''EXPLAIN'' to the young and lost how a GOOD God Psalm 136:1, who is righteous in ALL His ways Psalm 145:17, calls a home for the wicked a lake of fire. If you do not do this, you misrepresent God to the lost. If you yourself believe God has an evil side to Him, well that is also a sad situation.

You do Christianity / God no justice when you cherry pick scriptures and echo parroted indoctrination that does not hold water to interrogation.

 

[Charlie24]

Here is the point you wanted to make. You went off at a tangent with the angels, because I mentioned angels.



What is your point?

Mankind like the angels has high intelligence. Falling into sin was an inevitability. God could not create mankind with evil as God is not evil. But God did make mankind and the angels with the ability to do evil. IE Free will. As free will is good.



Ok, I see your point. No, you are mistaken. On one hand, yes. We are made perfect as we are washed by the blood of Jesus.

This DOES NOT EQUATE TO us being PERFECT as God is PERFECT. Excuse my bold, but this is now the fifth time I have explained this.

We are MADE PERFECT to God because we opened the door to Jesus.

PLEASE read slowly and meditate on Heb 10:14. @lentz , you to!!

Heb 10:14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

We are made perfect to God by the sacrifice of Jesus. In heaven we go from glory to glory. In fact, from the time we are first truly saved we have started our journey of going from holy to holy. But SADLY as we are a human creation we will NEVER be perfect as God is. IE We continue to make mistakes of sin, for all eternity.



Its not false teaching my friend. It is explaining true free will.

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Take a stab at the point I am making. Namely, Free will in heaven.

If sin is defined as disobedience to a command from God, how is it possible to have free will if you cannot sin?

I think all of us who are honest with ourselves know and will admit salvation means being perfect in the sight of God, but not in reality.

It's His Grace that see's us in Christ, He see's the perfection in Christ and we are in Christ.

Let's get to the bottom of this sin in heaven thing!

Paul tells us at the rapture/resurrection we become immortal, and incorruptible. 1 Cor. 15:51-58.

Incorruptible means no more sin nature, we receive a glorified body without sin, just as Jesus had at His resurrection.

All the corruption in this world has come from the sin of man, the results of that sin is pain for all of mankind.

Rev. 21:4

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

Notice John said "there will be no more pain." the only way for man to have no more pain is there to be no more sin!

"For the former things are passed away" is referring to the results of sin, there is no more of it. Sin is gone forever with God!

 

[Charlie24]

Well you were asking about the origin of corruption in the world coming and suggesting it came from the sin of Adam.

That is not entirely correct. The angels were first to sin. Earth was corrupted by Adam's sin at a point in time when it was prepared for mankind.

I believe in a pre-adamic era where fallen angels roamed the earth. But a discussion for another thread.

Man cannot blame his sin on fallen angels or even Satan. That was the second sin of Adam and Eve, blaming each other and Satan for their sins.

Regardless of Satan and his fallen angels, man made a choice to sin of his own free will.

The angels sinning had nothing to do with man choosing to sin.

Satan deceived them, yes, but they disobeyed God in spite of His previous warning.