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What does it mean to be saved?

Because everyone is born a sinner and there is either heaven or hell in everyone's future.

Because Jesus Christ , the Son of God -- died on the cross - in our place and rose again the 3rd day to give all of us a chance to stay out of hell and be able To be in heaven -- for ever.

Without accepting Jesus Christ as our personal Savior -- 'we' will end up in hell For Ever.

So -- a person is being Saved From ending up in hell for ever. The book of Revelation calls it the lake of fire and brimstone. Total darkness

Luke 16 tells us about the rich man and Lazarus. vs 22 - 28 or so.
Is there total darkness in the midst of fire?

God wrote the names of those whom he would save in his Lambs Book of (Eternal) Life before he created anything.

One might observe we were destined by God to fall. God is sovereign. He tells us he predestined all things according to his will and divine planning.
We have no free will, as he tells us in Proverbs. We plan our way but God sets our steps.

God even tells us we are given faith and are saved by his grace.

It's not up to us. It's all him.

Why then would anyone be destined to Hell by God when it is time? Since no one is yet there.
When God as much as tells us, we don't choose him. He chose us, or not, to save before the world was made.

The only way we would be in the Book of (eternal) Life before that is if God also predestined our fall.
Which he did when in his omniscience he planted the forbidden tree in Eden.

Why? This is all in the Bible. Because God, who demands worship and praise, predestined all things, (omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent), due to his zeal for his own glory.

And we're made in his image and likeness.
 
Of course there are 3 or 4 verses that say somue names can and will be erased.
Once a true believer's name is written in The Lamb's Book of Eternal Life it is never erased.

Were that to happen, when the Book was written by Omniscient God before he created the world, it would mean God made a mistake writing a name he'd later have to erase.
 
@BunnyOnion -- a lake of fire and brimstone -- image being in a bbq pit with the cover on. Hot coals all over the place in darkness. It's only meant for satan, the false prophet and the beast and to last forever. But people end up there because they don't accept God's way of staying Out of there.

God Does know who will and who won't accept Him.
 
Is there total darkness in the midst of fire?

God wrote the names of those whom he would save in his Lambs Book of (Eternal) Life before he created anything.

One might observe we were destined by God to fall. God is sovereign. He tells us he predestined all things according to his will and divine planning.
We have no free will, as he tells us in Proverbs. We plan our way but God sets our steps.

God even tells us we are given faith and are saved by his grace.

It's not up to us. It's all him.

Why then would anyone be destined to Hell by God when it is time? Since no one is yet there.
When God as much as tells us, we don't choose him. He chose us, or not, to save before the world was made.

The only way we would be in the Book of (eternal) Life before that is if God also predestined our fall.
Which he did when in his omniscience he planted the forbidden tree in Eden.

Why? This is all in the Bible. Because God, who demands worship and praise, predestined all things, (omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent), due to his zeal for his own glory.

And we're made in his image and likeness.

Good answer..

I would offer.. Two is a metaphor that seems to establish the witness of God . . . which is Greater than the witness of man . The unseen glory of faith .(Christ in us) our Emanuel .

Books were opened . Two books were written One the book of life, all that God decided to create from the first human to the last. And another book the lambs book of eternal never ending life .

Whosoever's name was not found written in the "Lambs book of life" their names was removed from the book of life .

In the end the book of life is a blank book like it never existed .

In the new heavens and earth the old things will not be remembered or ever come to mind. There will be no names missing.


Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life
 
Once a true believer's name is written in The Lamb's Book of Eternal Life it is never erased.

Were that to happen, when the Book was written by Omniscient God before he created the world, it would mean God made a mistake writing a name he'd later have to erase.

Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

Rev_3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Exod 32:32; "But now, if You will, forgive their sin—and if not, please blot me out from Your book which You have written!"
Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

Did God make a mistake letting Satan in heaven? Did God make a mistake putting Adam and Eve in the Garden? Did God make a mistake picking Judas as an apostle?
Did God make a mistake creating mankind, which he destroyed 99.99% of during the flood.
Giving people a chance to be saved is never a mistake.

Luke 10:20; "Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven."

John 6:66; As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.
John 6:67; So Jesus said to the twelve, "You do not want to go away also, do you?"

Ezek 28:13; "You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
Ezek 28:14; "You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:15; "You were blameless in your ways From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.
Ezek 28:16; "By the abundance of your trade You were internally filled with violence, And you sinned; Therefore I have cast you as profane From the mountain of God. And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the stones of fire.

Luke 10:18; And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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Rom 11:19; You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in."
Rom 11:20; Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
Rom 11:21; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
Rom 11:22; Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
 
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"Predestination / predestined' To What, though.

@Bunny Onion -- your post sounds Calvinistic in nature. God's having all knowledge vs our being puppets. God's planning everything.

God IS in control -- this world is not just going willie-nillie in a free-fall. What God allows to happen compared to what 'we' do on our own creating our own problems.

We observe what the actions of one or two people can have on Many people. In a good or negative way.

In the Old Testament -- God allowed His children to be in bondage of the Egyptians for 400 years before instructing Moses to be their deliverer. Upon his insistance, God gave him Aaron, I think , to be his spokesperson.

This country is about 200 yrs old -- only half as long as they were in captivity. So -- what can / will happen in this country -- this world in the next 200 yrs or so? Well -- this world won't actually End until God , Himself brings the New Jerusalem down from heaven. That will be eternity Starting.

So -- what Does it mean to be saved? to know that we Do have eternity in our future -- either in heaven or in hell. And the decision is ours to make Now. Saved From eternal existence in lake of fire and brimstone.
 
"Predestination / predestined' To What, though.

@Bunny Onion -- your post sounds Calvinistic in nature. God's having all knowledge vs our being puppets. God's planning everything.

God IS in control -- this world is not just going willie-nillie in a free-fall. What God allows to happen compared to what 'we' do on our own creating our own problems.

We observe what the actions of one or two people can have on Many people. In a good or negative way.

In the Old Testament -- God allowed His children to be in bondage of the Egyptians for 400 years before instructing Moses to be their deliverer. Upon his insistance, God gave him Aaron, I think , to be his spokesperson.

This country is about 200 yrs old -- only half as long as they were in captivity. So -- what can / will happen in this country -- this world in the next 200 yrs or so? Well -- this world won't actually End until God , Himself brings the New Jerusalem down from heaven. That will be eternity Starting.

So -- what Does it mean to be saved? to know that we Do have eternity in our future -- either in heaven or in hell. And the decision is ours to make Now. Saved From eternal existence in lake of fire and brimstone.
Jesus said "anyone who believes is HIM shall not perish but have eternal life." Anyone means anyone, which means anyone can come to faith and be eternally saved.
 
@Elihoemai -- Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He came into this world as a Jewish man -- yes -- but He is the One who died on the cross , was buried and rose again bodily on the 3rd day -- proving that He was indeed the Son of God and not just another religious teacher of that day.

He was here in this world as both 100 % man and 100 % deity. That's why He Could die for our sins / provide our salvation. If he was simply another man, he would have been dying and going to Hades waiting for eternal lake of fire and brimstone. However -- Because He was God'/ man -- He alone Could died on the cross with our sins upon Him -- He died and went to hell in our place and rose back up again. And Be our Savior. The Lamb of God -- taking away the sins of the world.

Jesus Christ did not need salvation -- everyone Else Does. He was the Only Son of God. The rest of humanity are human Only.

Matthew 26:38-39

38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

How could Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ not need Salvation when he Suffered?
 
Well -- they are NOT identical. Supposedly they all three came from Abraham. However, Christianity and Islam are pretty much direct opposites. The three are distinctly different.

Islam holds to Allah / the Quran. Islam has declared to 'take over the world' -- you convert or you die -- and they don't care which.

Christianity is God's Word the Bible. That God wants relationship with everyone which is only possible through Jesus Christ.

How about holding to the Word of God. God's Word says the Ten Commandments were given to be a tutor -- to show us our need for a Savior. We can't keep all of those commandments all the time / 100 percent of the time. That would be considered 'good works' -- salvation is not works' based. It IS based on what we place our faith In. It Needs to be place on the sufficiency of the blood of Jesus Christ. Jesus did all that was needed on the cross.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Superficially Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are different. Essentially they are the same. When I say Christianity, it means Pop Christianity.

@Sue D., You are Roman Catholic Ant, while Freemasons/Knights Templar are Roman Catholic Giants.
 
Matthew 26:38-39

38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

How could Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ not need Salvation when he Suffered?


Suffering does not mean a person needs salvation. A lot of suffering is because a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior -- lots of people Die because they are not willing to give up their faith in Jesus Christ. Scripture tells us that there will be trials and tribulations in our lives Because we're living for Christ.

Jesus Christ was the Son of God -- He provided our salvation -- He didn't need it -- He's part of the trinity.

'We' / mankind Does need salvation.
 
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Superficially Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are different. Essentially they are the same. When I say Christianity, it means Pop Christianity.

@Sue D., You are Roman Catholic Ant, while Freemasons/Knights Templar are Roman Catholic Giants.


No -- I'm Not any part of the RCC. The RCC is non-Biblical in their teaching / practices.
 
If you meant do the will of the Father then yes . All will be taught by the Father. We imitate the father our Papa as a term of endearment.

John 6: 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Are you saying that we become Sons of Elohim/God?
 
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