What to expect in Hell

[Brother-Paul]

Not sure what your point is? Can you be more specific please. If you are trying to correct me, I am lost. You seem to be discussing another topic.

Greeting brother @KingJ

Let us come at this another way, but at the same time keep to what scripture says. The Truth is in The Word.

Please answer the following, no more just answer the following questions please...
Please feel free to quote scripture confirming your replies. (Including Bible version)
These are simple questions, they are not trick questions.

- Is God Love?
- Is there any evil in God?
- Could there ever be evil in God?
- Are we all children of God?
- Is God our Father?
- Is God the Father of all?
- Is God a Good Father?

 

[Brother-Paul]

People want to hear and believe what makes them feel good, they cant handle the truth !! but as long as we are on earth its never to late to repent and come to the truth, so keep on praying for them all in Jesus name

I totally agree brother, we can become our own stumbling block.

It is always a pleasure to discuss and share scripture with like minded, open minded, brothers and sisters in Christ.

Once we think we are right, we are blocking the path for the Holy Spirit in out lives and our hearts.

Bless you my friend

 

[Brother-Paul]

Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Adding a little humour, without belittling scripture in any way, that I would never do, this last verse always makes me chuckle.

Could it be, due to sin to our body, many have become so obese, and cannot enter through the narrow door?
:grin:

 

[KingJ]

Greeting brother @KingJ

Let us come at this another way, but at the same time keep to what scripture says. The Truth is in The Word.

Please answer the following, no more just answer the following questions please...
Please feel free to quote scripture confirming your replies. (Including Bible version)
These are simple questions, they are not trick questions.

1 Is God Love?
2 Is there any evil in God?
3 Could there ever be evil in God?
4 Are we all children of God?
5 Is God our Father?
6 Is God the Father of all?
7 Is God a Good Father?

1. Yes 1 John 4:8
2. No 1 John 1:5
3. No Psalm 145:17, 1 John 1:5
4. Only if saved John 1:12
5. Only if we His children
6. No
7. Yes. He is a good God and a good Father. Psalm 136:1. In the OT they only knew God as God. Only Christians can know God as a Father.

 

[KingJ]

Greetings folks

caps lock time....

PLEASE LET US PUT A SELF CENSORSHIP ON THE USE OF THE TERM, cherry picking [at least for a while] and see if by seeking the Lord we can find other words to communicate and please also let us write to edify and build ourselves up in love according to as we have written (see Ephesians 4:16 )

it looks so ugly after a while and i know that none of you want that.

Jesus is Lord

I love you and better still,
Jesus loves you ....><>

Stop cherry picking a line we discussing. Just kidding :smile: .

 

[Brother-Paul]

Greeting brother @KingJ

I have added your replies to the end of the questions so as to keep them together.

1 - Is God Love? ----- Yes 1 John 4:8
2 - Is there any evil in God? ----- No 1 John 1:5
3 - Could there ever be evil in God? ----- No Psalm 145:17, 1 John 1:5
4 - Are we all children of God? ----- Only if saved John 1:12
5 - Is God our Father? ----- Only if we His children
6 - Is God the Father of all? ----- No
7 - Is God a Good Father? ----- Yes. He is a good God and a good Father. Psalm 136:1. In the OT they only knew God as God. Only Christians can know God as a Father.

There is another question brother, but it could not be asked until you kindly replied. The question is ,do we both agree with the replies to these questions, and the answer is yes we do, we both agree fully with scripture. PTL.

One word wraps all these questions and answers together, it is love? God's love for mankind. Is God Love? yes He is, is there any evil in God, or could there ever be evil in God, no there could never be because God is Love.

Lets look at question 4, 'are we all children of God?' and question 5, Is God our Father? Here comes a division, God is love and He doesn't want any to be lost, but although we are all God's children we are not all children of God, the only ones who are adopted into His family are the saved souls. The division continues in the next question, is God the father of all? No He isn't as you say, the saved souls have God as their Father, but the lost souls in the world do not, why not?
Jesus made this clear when He said 'If God is not your father the devil is.

Finally we ask, is God a good father? And again we agree brother, Yes He is a good father. In the OT there were many words for God as we know, G-d, Adonai, Elohim, El Shaddai, Jehovah, YHWH, I Am, etc. God was Love, God is Love, but God our Father came through Jesus, Yeshua.

Brilliant we are 100% in agreement. The most important part of the topic being 'God is Love'.

Based on past discussions and the above scriptures we could say, 'How can a God of Love, a God who is Love, only be a father of the saved and not the lost when we are all created by Him?' Why is He not a father of all, where is His Love in that?

God's love came down from heaven, around two thousand years ago, His Love is in and through Jesus, we all know, or should know, that Jesus is, The Way, The Truth and The Life. God's love for ALL was shown in Jesus, on the cross, by the shedding of His blood for our sins, for the sins of the whole world.

Therefore we ask, Is God a Good Father? The answer we agree is, Yes He is. He is a good God and a good Father. Psalm 136:1. God is a good Father of all who repent, accept Jesus, be born again, all according to God's Word, resisting sin and 'practicing righteousness'. So God is a good father of the saved souls, does that mean He is a bad father to the lost souls in the world? No! Jesus died on the cross for them and for us, we chose Jesus and God's Word, the world choose sin, they like to sin, they prefer the darkness to the Glorious Light, because they are frightened their sins (their evil deeds) will be revealed in the light.

They have a choice' as we had a choice, but they chose the darkness instead of coming into the light.

John 3:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

For God, the God of Love, our loving God, so loved the world (all souls), that He gave His only Begotten Son (Jesus/Yeshua), that whoever believes in Him (not all souls), should not perish but have Everlasting Life. PTL

God so loved the world (all people) that He gave Jesus to die for our sins, the sins of All people, so that through Him, the saved souls, will not perish but have everlasting life, but that the unsaved souls, who belong to sin, the world and the devil will perish, because they have not accepted God's Perfect Gift of Love, Jesus, who did not come to condemn the world but that All may/might be saved, through Him.

So the message here is simple:
- come into the light repent and be saved from your sins, Jesus, paid the price and paid it in full, so that all who come to God will not perish but have everlasting life.
- refuse the gift of life through Jesus and you choose to perish and take the consequences.

So has God rejected the lost souls, no not at all, He loves them as He loves us, they are offered the same life line as was offered to us, but some will continue to choose to refuse life and live in their sins.

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

This is the point raised previously, God is love, we agree, in Him is no darkness. He gave His one and only Son, to die for the sins of the world, that ALL who believe and are born again can receive God's Perfect Gift of Salvation and everything that follows, being adopted into His family.

God in His mercy and endless Love, opened the door for ALL to be saved, but sadly many have and will reject His kind and loving offer, because they 'practice sin' they prefer evil, which is sin, they do not want their sins to be exposed they enjoy the life of sin they live in. God's Love never changes, there is not one speck of evil in Him, God is Love, but He gives ALL a the same choice. To accept or to reject what He offered, Jesus, to accept or reject eternal life through Jesus, those who accept are His children, those who do not belong to the devil.

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

There is only one rule book, there is only one Bible, everything has been written down beforehand, so we all have the same choice.

The choice is left to man, we are not robots, we are not controlled, we have a free will choice in this life.

Meanwhile God is love, God remains love, God will always be love. He waits for the prodigals to return, but He knows not all will do so, they prefer sin, the world and the devil to God, it is their choice not His. He can do no more, but we can, we can share Jesus and God's gift of love with others, we Jesus' disciples are saved and blessed so that others could come to God through Jesus and receive His amazing Love.

Bless you.

 

[KingJ]

Greeting brother @KingJ

I have added your replies to the end of the questions so as to keep them together.

1 - Is God Love? ----- Yes 1 John 4:8
2 - Is there any evil in God? ----- No 1 John 1:5
3 - Could there ever be evil in God? ----- No Psalm 145:17, 1 John 1:5
4 - Are we all children of God? ----- Only if saved John 1:12
5 - Is God our Father? ----- Only if we His children
6 - Is God the Father of all? ----- No
7 - Is God a Good Father? ----- Yes. He is a good God and a good Father. Psalm 136:1. In the OT they only knew God as God. Only Christians can know God as a Father.

There is another question brother, but it could not be asked until you kindly replied. The question is ,do we both agree with the replies to these questions, and the answer is yes we do, we both agree fully with scripture. PTL.

One word wraps all these questions and answers together, it is love? God's love for mankind. Is God Love? yes He is, is there any evil in God, or could there ever be evil in God, no there could never be because God is Love.

Lets look at question 4, 'are we all children of God?' and question 5, Is God our Father? Here comes a division, God is love and He doesn't want any to be lost, but although we are all God's children we are not all children of God, the only ones who are adopted into His family are the saved souls. The division continues in the next question, is God the father of all? No He isn't as you say, the saved souls have God as their Father, but the lost souls in the world do not, why not?
Jesus made this clear when He said 'If God is not your father the devil is.

Finally we ask, is God a good father? And again we agree brother, Yes He is a good father. In the OT there were many words for God as we know, G-d, Adonai, Elohim, El Shaddai, Jehovah, YHWH, I Am, etc. God was Love, God is Love, but God our Father came through Jesus, Yeshua.

Brilliant we are 100% in agreement. The most important part of the topic being 'God is Love'.

Based on past discussions and the above scriptures we could say, 'How can a God of Love, a God who is Love, only be a father of the saved and not the lost when we are all created by Him?' Why is He not a father of all, where is His Love in that?

God's love came down from heaven, around two thousand years ago, His Love is in and through Jesus, we all know, or should know, that Jesus is, The Way, The Truth and The Life. God's love for ALL was shown in Jesus, on the cross, by the shedding of His blood for our sins, for the sins of the whole world.

Therefore we ask, Is God a Good Father? The answer we agree is, Yes He is. He is a good God and a good Father. Psalm 136:1. God is a good Father of all who repent, accept Jesus, be born again, all according to God's Word, resisting sin and 'practicing righteousness'. So God is a good father of the saved souls, does that mean He is a bad father to the lost souls in the world? No! Jesus died on the cross for them and for us, we chose Jesus and God's Word, the world choose sin, they like to sin, they prefer the darkness to the Glorious Light, because they are frightened their sins (their evil deeds) will be revealed in the light.

They have a choice' as we had a choice, but they chose the darkness instead of coming into the light.

John 3:16-17 (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

For God, the God of Love, our loving God, so loved the world (all souls), that He gave His only Begotten Son (Jesus/Yeshua), that whoever believes in Him (not all souls), should not perish but have Everlasting Life. PTL

God so loved the world (all people) that He gave Jesus to die for our sins, the sins of All people, so that through Him, the saved souls, will not perish but have everlasting life, but that the unsaved souls, who belong to sin, the world and the devil will perish, because they have not accepted God's Perfect Gift of Love, Jesus, who did not come to condemn the world but that All may/might be saved, through Him.

So the message here is simple:
- come into the light repent and be saved from your sins, Jesus, paid the price and paid it in full, so that all who come to God will not perish but have everlasting life.
- refuse the gift of life through Jesus and you choose to perish and take the consequences.

So has God rejected the lost souls, no not at all, He loves them as He loves us, they are offered the same life line as was offered to us, but some will continue to choose to refuse life and live in their sins.

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

This is the point raised previously, God is love, we agree, in Him is no darkness. He gave His one and only Son, to die for the sins of the world, that ALL who believe and are born again can receive God's Perfect Gift of Salvation and everything that follows, being adopted into His family.

God in His mercy and endless Love, opened the door for ALL to be saved, but sadly many have and will reject His kind and loving offer, because they 'practice sin' they prefer evil, which is sin, they do not want their sins to be exposed they enjoy the life of sin they live in. God's Love never changes, there is not one speck of evil in Him, God is Love, but He gives ALL a the same choice. To accept or to reject what He offered, Jesus, to accept or reject eternal life through Jesus, those who accept are His children, those who do not belong to the devil.

John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

There is only one rule book, there is only one Bible, everything has been written down beforehand, so we all have the same choice.

The choice is left to man, we are not robots, we are not controlled, we have a free will choice in this life.

Meanwhile God is love, God remains love, God will always be love. He waits for the prodigals to return, but He knows not all will do so, they prefer sin, the world and the devil to God, it is their choice not His. He can do no more, but we can, we can share Jesus and God's gift of love with others, we Jesus' disciples are saved and blessed so that others could come to God through Jesus and receive His amazing Love.

Bless you.

Great so you agree with me that God is good to those that hate Him? Even to those that go to hell.

This post is all good but it does not address the statement you made in the earlier post which was ''no matter what God's word says you will accept it''.

Now this sounds fine but when others here are using scripture to espouse a wicked God / torture in hell, your statement sounds as though you accept a wicked God. As long as God is ''God'' you serve Him. Which made me say a few times to you and Br Bear, that I serve God only because He is good. Can you say the same?

 

[Brother-Paul]

Great so you agree with me that God is good to those that hate Him? Even to those that go to hell.

This post is all good but it does not address the statement you made in the earlier post which was ''no matter what God's word says you will accept it''.

Now this sounds fine but when others here are using scripture to espouse a wicked God / torture in hell, your statement sounds as though you accept a wicked God. As long as God is ''God'' you serve Him. Which made me say a few times to you and Br Bear, that I serve God only because He is good. Can you say the same?

Life is not simple brother, if we talk face to face these issue would be unlikely happen, the problem is on a forum there is not face to face contact, no direct interaction, and words on paper/screen can seem to say something else, subject to where our thought are at that time.

I have said the same throughout, in different ways, but my comments have not come over for you as they were intended by me, my understanding of what you said were, heels dug in, I am not budging in my thoughts, hence the different approach.

God is Love, God cannot ever have any evil in Him, but He has set rules as any good Father would do, He loves All, He doesn't want any to be lost, but they will be. So beforehand, as God has always done He set out 'The Way' through His Son, for All to be able to come to Him through Jesus. We all have the same choice, we can accept His Gift of Love, accept our Salvation though Him or we can reject them. God gives us a choice, all have the same choice, He loves us all, He doesn't want any to be lost, but 'if they choose' not to accept Him, not to accept Jesus died for their sins, then it is their choice. Not God's choice. God is love.

I am not sure how far back the statement was that said ''no matter what God's word says you will accept it''. To reply now could be out of context. But to simplify, we should accept all God's Word, no matter whether we like what He says or not. His Word is Truth.

Bless you.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Great so you agree with me that God is good to those that hate Him? Even to those that go to hell.

This post is all good but it does not address the statement you made in the earlier post which was ''no matter what God's word says you will accept it''.

Now this sounds fine but when others here are using scripture to espouse a wicked God / torture in hell, your statement sounds as though you accept a wicked God. As long as God is ''God'' you serve Him. Which made me say a few times to you and Br Bear, that I serve God only because He is good. Can you say the same?

I have said it, I have repeated it, God is good, God is Love. I have never said anything different. But I accept All God's Word as Truth, including the warning He gives to those who do not accept the Free Gift of Salvation.

John 3:18-21
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

There is no evil in God, man makes his own choice, that choice can lead to Eternal Life, that choice can lead to Eternal damnation.

It is not God's choice, He wants all to be saved. It is man's choice, we cannot save ourselves but we do have to make a life saving decision. We can however condemn ourselves by rejecting the Loving Free Gift God offers ALL.

Bless you

 

[B-A-C]

Great so you agree with me that God is good to those that hate Him? Even to those that go to hell.

Were is the scripture for this?

 

[B-A-C]

''no matter what God's word says you will accept it''.

Now this sounds fine but when others here are using scripture to espouse a wicked God / torture in hell, your statement sounds as though you accept a wicked God

If the Bible says God is good... it does.
..and the Bible says some people will go to hell and burn forever... it does.

Then obvious conclusion is... whatever God is doing is good. Whether we agree with it or not. Whether we like it or not.
As son as we start picking out which parts of the Bible are right, and which parts are "wrong"... anything goes. I can remove whatever I disagree with.

This is in effect making yourself God... because you know better what is right or wrong than He does.

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi Brother-Paul

You quoted

John 3:18
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Your comment:
There is no evil in God, man makes his own choice, that choice can lead to Eternal Life, that choice can lead to Eternal damnation.

It is not God's choice, He wants all to be saved. It is man's choice, we cannot save ourselves but we do have to make a life saving decision. We can however condemn ourselves by rejecting the Loving Free Gift God offers ALL.

Me: Let’s consider other scriptures to put in conjunction with John 3:18-21 (Isaiah 28:9-10).

1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Me: God calls and chooses, not us of our own volition.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.:

Me: No! God makes the choice, not the individual who will be the firstfruits (this is based on some merit: see link below) and the second fruits when he returns.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Me: Again God chooses.



1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth (me: being an example) the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Me: People may not take to heart your example now, but they will in the future. Instead, most likely they will persecute you now (1 Timothy 3:12).

What is the Difference between called and Chosen.
What Is the Difference Between ‘Called’ and ‘Chosen’?

Me: Who is responsible for who believes now.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Me: And who does God use to unwittingly do this

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
d.

 

[Truthcomber]

Now if God blinded the minds of those that do not see spiritual things, is he now going to condemn them?

John 3:18 Interlinear: he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Strong's Greek: 2919. κρίνω (krinó) -- to judge, decide
krinó: to judge, decide
Original Word: κρίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: krinó
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-no)
Definition: to judge, decide
Usage: (a) I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, (b) I decide, I think (it) good

So, I believe a better rendering of John 3:18 would be (as half of the translations have it):

Young's Literal Translation
John 3:18 he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Truthcomber]

The judgment of the church members will be judged at their deaths.

1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment (me: not condemnation: G2919 above) must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Me: What shall be the judgment? Those that are called and chosen that endure to the end will receive a reward as kings and priests and reign with Christ (Revelation 20:6, Revelation 1:6). Those chosen that do not endure to the end but turn their backs on God will suffer a fate worse than those that didn’t believe in the first place. They will lose their kingship and be in the Lake of Fire to be cleanest.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

1 Cor 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.



Those that are NOT called and chosen will not be of the first resurrection—they are judged in this manner already.

 

[KingJ]

If the Bible says God is good... it does.
..and the Bible says some people will go to hell and burn forever... it does.

and it speaks of being on fire as not having His peace.....and it says people weep and gnash their teeth only because they are cast out....and God gave us brains and the ability to know right and wrong Gen 3:22, Christians even more so 1 Cor 6:1-9....so that we may know that anything like a brazen bull for punishment is the product of a demented and absolutely wicked individual.

Then obvious conclusion is... whatever God is doing is good. Whether we agree with it or not. Whether we like it or not.
As son as we start picking out which parts of the Bible are right, and which parts are "wrong"... anything goes. I can remove whatever I disagree with.

This is in effect making yourself God... because you know better what is right or wrong than He does.

I am not ignoring any verse you have provided. But you are ignoring the verses I am providing. Most important ones being those that define God. This results in you utterly miss representing God. Portraying Him as good now but ''extremely'' wicked in the future. Just shocking!

A Christian as one job. Properly represent God to the unsaved. When people see us they must see Jesus. When we teach we must teach the truth.

Now as a general rule of thumb, all teachings are to be considered in the light of those scriptures that define God. This is why God and the prophets ensured certain passages like Psalm 145:17 God is righteous in all His ways, 1 John 1:5 God is light with no darkness in Him at all, Psalm 136:1 Give thanks because God is good and Acts 10:34 God is impartial, were included in scripture. They knew the devil would cherry pick ''fires of hell'' and ''partiality from omniscience'' to paint God as wicked.

 

[Wnl]

Hi Truthcomber, I was bubbling up inside waiting to post, but you have
Said what was on my heart already, Thankyou.
With Love, Wnl

 

[Truthcomber]

Wnl,

You are most welcome. Nice to see someone that believes that the scriptures interpret scriptures.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Hi Brother-Paul

You quoted

John 3:18
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Your comment:
There is no evil in God, man makes his own choice, that choice can lead to Eternal Life, that choice can lead to Eternal damnation.

It is not God's choice, He wants all to be saved. It is man's choice, we cannot save ourselves but we do have to make a life saving decision. We can however condemn ourselves by rejecting the Loving Free Gift God offers ALL.

Me: Let’s consider other scriptures to put in conjunction with John 3:18-21 (Isaiah 28:9-10).

1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Me: God calls and chooses, not us of our own volition.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.:

Me: No! God makes the choice, not the individual who will be the firstfruits (this is based on some merit: see link below) and the second fruits when he returns.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Me: Again God chooses.



1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth (me: being an example) the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Me: People may not take to heart your example now, but they will in the future. Instead, most likely they will persecute you now (1 Timothy 3:12).

What is the Difference between called and Chosen.
What Is the Difference Between ‘Called’ and ‘Chosen’?

Me: Who is responsible for who believes now.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Me: And who does God use to unwittingly do this

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
d.

Greetings @Truthcomber

This is where things tend to get mis-read. Mt reply was to statements by @KingJ who thought all replies to him from a number of members, me included, that we were saying God was evil for letting lost souls go to hell and pay the price for their sins. He felt we were saying, God is wicked, but we were not, hence the emphasis to confirm God is good, there is no evil in Him, but people themselves are to blame for their decision not to accept Jesus, God's gift of salvation for all. This conversation as run on and on, so over time it is important to zoom in on certain things to clarify what is actually being said and what is being misunderstood. I am sure you understand the situation.

Your comments takes of from this, this is the problem with forums, we all do it, by picking up on something said at that point and quoting other items that are related but were not the point being made to clarify a situation.

That confirmed I will reply to your valid statements in another post.

Peace be with you my friend

 

[Brother-Paul]

Now this sounds fine but when others here are using scripture to espouse a wicked God / torture in hell, your statement sounds as though you accept a wicked God. As long as God is ''God'' you serve Him. Which made me say a few times to you and Br Bear, that I serve God only because He is good. Can you say the same?

Greetings brother

No one has ever said 'God is wicked' or insinuated that He is. Not one of us, we have all said the same thing in different ways, in my last reply, because I felt I was banging my head against a wall, and you appeared to be digging your heels in that we were saying 'God was wicked', I felt in my heart the discussion had to be approached a totally different way, thanks be to God. We had to try clarify what we were all saying, the honest truth my friend is, in my last statement, which you accepted as 'Now that sounds fine', was the same message I have said throughout, the same message we have all said through out. It is a common forum issue brother, if we talk face to face it wouldn't happen, but on a forum the interaction is not there, we pick up at the end of what was written, unable to come in part way through as we would when chatting and discussing the items face to face. Maybe now is time to move on my friend, the situation has been clarified. Sadly due to zooming in, to clarify the point and clear any misunderstanding, others are now picking up on specifics of the zooming process and if not careful we will derail or go round in circles yet again.

It is not an issue, we all sometimes think someone has said something and they meant it to mean something else, each side of the situation is clear to the person, it is a forum thing.

Bless you

 

[Brother-Paul]

Hi Brother-Paul

You quoted

John 3:18
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Your comment:
There is no evil in God, man makes his own choice, that choice can lead to Eternal Life, that choice can lead to Eternal damnation.

It is not God's choice, He wants all to be saved. It is man's choice, we cannot save ourselves but we do have to make a life saving decision. We can however condemn ourselves by rejecting the Loving Free Gift God offers ALL.

I did quote the above, but look back at previous posts, our dear brother was quoting John 3:16-17 'For God so Loved the world...' followed by statements that God is Love, there is no evil in Him, and that members were saying, he felt, that God is a wicked God, it started from the conversation regarding what happens to lost souls after the Great White Throne Judgement, Hell!

We had to clarify at that point, firstly we were not saying God was a wicked God, we agree God is Love, but what God has had written is His Word, The Truth, we have to accept it all, whether we like what He says the outcome will be or not.

Now I fully expect comments from our brothers and sisters, that God knows who will be saved and who will not be saved, the Names of those in the Book of Life and the Lamb are those that are saved. But to try clarify the point of the ongoing discussion it felt right to follow on with John 3:16-17 quoted by our dear brother and confirm we should also read the condemnation.

Me: Let’s consider other scriptures to put in conjunction with John 3:18-21 (Isaiah 28:9-10).

1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

So true brother, God calls us, we do not call Him. So many people say they got saved, as if it was them that did the work or made the final decision, as we know not so, God calls us, over and over again, eventually we answer His calling, eventually we repent and become born again. But our name was already in the Book of Life.

Me: God calls and chooses, not us of our own volition.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.:

Me: No! God makes the choice, not the individual who will be the firstfruits (this is based on some merit: see link below) and the second fruits when he returns.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Me: Again God chooses.

As you can see my friend, we all agree. But if some of these things were quoted to our dear brother at the time it would have made it harder to clarify the point, hence zooming in on the specifics, to clarify at that point, Yes God is Love, but He is God, when we accept the calling, when we accept Jesus, when we repent and are born again, we are to accept ALL God's Word from Genesis to Revelation.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth (me: being an example) the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Matthew 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Me: People may not take to heart your example now, but they will in the future. Instead, most likely they will persecute you now (1 Timothy 3:12).

What is the Difference between called and Chosen.
What Is the Difference Between ‘Called’ and ‘Chosen’?

Me: Who is responsible for who believes now.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Me: And who does God use to unwittingly do this

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
d.

Hopefully you will see what has happened and why, I sometimes think when zooming it to clarify a point it could be best to do it by PM, the disadvantage to that is it becomes, person A's view and person B's view, as it happened there were at least four members in the discussion so it just had to roll.

Bless you and thank you for your scripture quotes and understanding.

Peace be with you