What to expect in Hell

[Sue D.]

@newname -- of course we're supposed to pray for people's salvation. When God lays someone specific on your heart to pray for , by all means pray for them. But it's still their personal decision for their salvation.

 

[Sue D.]

I think you are thinking of Hades. There was a great gulf with Abraham's bosom.

Personally I believe we will visit hell in the afterlife. Take turns being on a ''hell duty'' of sort.

Jesus can go anywhere He wants to and we will reign with Him. Those in hell are separated from us. Not us from them.

Where on earth do you get your information from -- certainly not God's Word. No one 'visits' anywhere after they die. A person is either with Jesus Christ or is caste into that lake of fire and brimstone in total darkness.

Scripture tells us that Jesus Christ Will come back to this earth to reign for 1,000 yrs and born-again believers will be with Him.

From Your perspective Why would Anyone Want to go back and forth from hell ? To make sure no one escapes?

 

[newname]

@newname -- of course we're supposed to pray for people's salvation. When God lays someone specific on your heart to pray for , by all means pray for them. But it's still their personal decision for their salvation.

Yes I word it a bit weird maybe. I say I pray em into heaven. I got that idea to pray for ppl who were about to die from Ian McCormack. He got saved last minute. God showed him how to pray the Our Father. He asked Him to forgive him and forgave his enemies. He was an atheist who had sinned a lot. God told his mom: your son Ian is dying. Pray for him now. He went to heaven. He came back for his mom. Else she would have thought he went to hell. I was like: why not pray for all ppl like that? Those who have no praying mom. In Timothy it says we must pray for all people, cause God wants em saved.
I'm not saying that the whole world will get saved when you pray that, but you have to pray in faith. When I prayed for all these ppl I just believed all these ppl. With family, God puts em on my heart. I have no doubt they get saved. Rahab's whole family got saved.

 

[Sue D.]

@newname -- okay -- people Do accept Christ as their personal Savior on their death beds. No one can pray another person into heaven , either. And repeating the Lord's Prayer won't save anyone Either. And God isn't going to tell anyone that their loved one is in heaven. And, yes, we Are to pray for our friends , loved ones that they will accept Christ while there is time to NOW.

And, yes, God Would that all would come to Christ -- repent. But He also know that lots of people Won't.

And, yes , we Are to pray in / with faith.

Are you saying that Ian died and went to heaven and then came back to let his Mom know that he was okay and hadn't gone to hell. Scripture says otherwise. Once a person is in eternity, they are where they are.

 

[newname]

Well then not. What you want.

 

[KingJ]

We are talking about Heaven and Hell as explained in The Word not a rehabilitation centre.

:smile:

The 'rehabilitation centre' made me chuckle. Agreed, its not a rehabilitation centre.

Think of the Geneva convention. It was drawn up for the right and fair treatment of enemies. Those Germans that murdered your family, experimented on your children, sieged your city so that you starved and ate your children.....these Germans were isolated but treated ''properly''. Received visitors.

The Russians at that time refused to sign the Geneva convention. Are we the same as them? Are we to compare God to them? I think not.

Good people who did not want to be wicked to the wicked pioneered the Geneva convention. Christians should do one better. God, who is perfect Mark 10:18 and righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17 should do one if not much more 'better'.

Have you ever thought much on how God and the devil interact in scripture? I will get straight to the point. If a Christian approached Nero and said ''Nero I want to tempt you three times''. Can you imagine what Nero would say and do? Make their pike longer, make them suffer for longer. A Christian would be terrified of speaking to Nero. A Christian would shout and curse Nero. ''You cruel person''. We see ''NONE'' of this in the devil's (and demons) interaction with God and they 'know' what is coming. We see Jesus give the devil three occasions to harass Him before He says ''get behind me satan''. We see Jesus honor the request of demons to be cast into pigs. Would Nero ever honor a Christians request?

A wicked person like Nero will torture his enemy (Christians, probably Jews and Muslims too). A Christian will ''NOT'' place Nero on a pike!!!

Now, God who tells us to ''LOVE'' our enemies will certainly not place those who go to hell on pikes either. Let alone place them in brazen bull / type punishment which is even worse.

I expect Geneva Convention type laws in place. Added to this, the suffering I mention in my OP.

 

[KingJ]

Where on earth do you get your information from -- certainly not God's Word. No one 'visits' anywhere after they die. A person is either with Jesus Christ or is caste into that lake of fire and brimstone in total darkness.

Ok Sue, I will ask you the same thing. How do you know we will not visit hell?

You don't use lateral thought. Granted scripture does not mention it at all. But a stronger case can be made for it as opposed to it.

Wicked people hate God. God does not hate them. Nor....will we. Surprised?

Do you think God, who loves me and wants me to be happy is going to say ''NO, you will not go and visit your friend in hell?'' I don't see it. We are stuck in tunnel vision.

There is an entire functioning society of humans today. There is an entire functioning society of angels right now. There is an entire functioning society of fallen angels right now. One day in heaven same thing. One day in hell same thing.

The only people that should disagree with me are annihilationists. They believe when scripture says ''cast into furnace'' that that is the ''end''. You and I believe they live on in the 'furnace'. Correct?

I believe the evildoers will live on because God 1. honors free will to reject Him and 2. God loves all His creation, albeit they hate Him.

You want me to believe they live on just so God can get a kick out of eternal torture?

 

[Dave M]

I believe the evildoers will live on because God 1. honors free will to reject Him and 2. God loves all His creation, albeit they hate Him.

You want me to believe they live on just so God can get a kick out of eternal torture?

Dear sir your sure do think highly of humans thoughts God does not, it does not matter what we think, God has laid it out in scripture for some reason you dont want to believe it, my heart goes for you.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.



it can not be any plainer then this, it does not matter what you think or what I think Gods word say what it says, they will BE TORMENTED DAY AND NIGHT FOREVER

then again scripture does also say

2 Corinthians 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[newname]

Ok Sue, I will ask you the same thing. How do you know we will not visit hell?

You don't use lateral thought. Granted scripture does not mention it at all. But a stronger case can be made for it as opposed to it.

Wicked people hate God. God does not hate them. Nor....will we. Surprised?

Do you think God, who loves me and wants me to be happy is going to say ''NO, you will not go and visit your friend in hell?'' I don't see it. We are stuck in tunnel vision.

There is an entire functioning society of humans today. There is an entire functioning society of angels right now. There is an entire functioning society of fallen angels right now. One day in heaven same thing. One day in hell same thing.

The only people that should disagree with me are annihilationists. They believe when scripture says ''cast into furnace'' that that is the ''end''. You and I believe they live on in the 'furnace'. Correct?

I believe the evildoers will live on because God 1. honors free will to reject Him and 2. God loves all His creation, albeit they hate Him.

You want me to believe they live on just so God can get a kick out of eternal torture?

God hates all evildoers. Only the Westboro baptists use that text. The rest say God so loved the world. If He would keep on loving them, He'd always be heart broken. And if He loves everyone and respects everyone who hardens their heart, then why not let em in heaven or if they do too much damage there let em have nice bars in hell and fun like on earth or give them a nice prison island where they're free and just don't bother others like in Norway. He did not want the pharisees to see so that they would repent and He would heal them. Jesus wasn't very friendly and loving and respectful of their own choice to them.
I have heard ppl say that Jesus weeps all the time because of ppl in hell. I don't believe it. His actions say something else.
And He is never gonna love satan.

If God would love evil, He wouldn't be so righteous and demanding.

Instead of being concerned about people in hell, we can better be concerned about the ones that can still be saved from it. If you imagine your best friends going to hell, why? That's gruesome. I think this whole teaching that hell aint so bad and it is to purify them, so later they get saved, comes from unbelief that God is able to save them now.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:15-16

Brothers and sisters

My post as quoted below has raised a lot of responses.

To clarify things:
I am not saying we can pray everyone to heaven.

I am not saying we should loose sight of the joy and wonder of Salvation by thinking of hell all the time.

However, what I am saying is that believers need to think of hell and its consequeces for the lost.....and seek the Lord for hearts of compassion to share the Gospel.

There are some very pious attitudes on this thread and its not okay to say "so long as Im alright it doesn't matter"

Perhaps brothers you should consider hell and it's horrors.
Really get a grasp of what it will be for the lost.

I say this to myself too having recently lost a very dear friend.
I am also aware of family who are not saved to my knowledge.

It is easy to bask in our salvation and sit back discussing things online. But there is a real world out there who do not know the joy of salvation.

So brothers it really does matter.
Think about a lost eternity and about those you love who may end up there.

 

[newname]

And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:15-16

Brothers and sisters

My post as quoted below has raised a lot of responses.

To clarify things:
I am not saying we can pray everyone to heaven.

I am not saying we should loose sight of the joy and wonder of Salvation by thinking of hell all the time.

However, what I am saying is that believers need to think of hell and its consequeces for the lost.....and seek the Lord for hearts of compassion to share the Gospel.

There are some very pious attitudes on this thread and its not okay to say "so long as Im alright it doesn't matter"

That's what everyone will say when we're in heaven. Noone is gonna weep an eternity over the lost. Now we must pray and evangelize and weep for the lost in prayer, but if ppl keep rejecting Him, nothing you can do. People in heaven are always happy. Apparently they don't care.
I sometimes feel sad when I hear such a story, but apparently God doesn't even care, so why should I? I just block that, else I'd go crazy.
I dont mean about the ppl who live and for whom there's hope.
I had to pray for a guy. Next day I heard he killed himself. I thought he was in hell. It was a real nice guy. I just blocked him out of my mind. Later I got a dream that he got saved and I cried: why didnt they tell me you're alive? I thought you were dead.

 

[Untitled]

Interesting discussion.

You seem to have many different views on this subject, and I wonder why that is? You all access the same Holy Ghost, yet you're drawing different conclusions?

 

[Dave M]

You seem to have many different views

I only see two different views, the majority and then King James

 

[Sue D.]

@King J. -- well -- since Scripture does Not mention that Anyone will go back and forth -- why surmise that it Could happen.

 

[KingJ]

Interesting discussion.
You seem to have many different views on this subject, and I wonder why that is? You all access the same Holy Ghost, yet you're drawing different conclusions?

Our difference of opinion is only on what takes place in hell. Nobody here is saying there is no hell or that hell will not be a place of torment.

 

[KingJ]

That's what everyone will say when we're in heaven. Noone is gonna weep an eternity over the lost. Now we must pray and evangelize and weep for the lost in prayer, but if ppl keep rejecting Him, nothing you can do. People in heaven are always happy. Apparently they don't care.
I sometimes feel sad when I hear such a story, but apparently God doesn't even care, so why should I? I just block that, else I'd go crazy.
I dont mean about the ppl who live and for whom there's hope.
I had to pray for a guy. Next day I heard he killed himself. I thought he was in hell. It was a real nice guy. I just blocked him out of my mind. Later I got a dream that he got saved and I cried: why didnt they tell me you're alive? I thought you were dead.

None of these views are true newname. I don't blame you for having them though, it is what many are taught.

The reason we do not weep over the lost is because we agree with what is happening to them. We agree with God on their punishment. God has nothing to hide from us. He is righteous in ''ALL'' His ways.

Now what is simply insanely shocking is the fact that many are currently ''ok'' with ''brazen bull type torture''. This is ''people'' reading into the words ''fire'' with no discernment and literally assuming the absolute worst about God and the future.

To put you at ease. To put all of us at ease. We need only look at history and at how a God / Jesus filled person treats their enemies. History shows us that God's wrath is swift. Unless it is a plague. Plagues increase in severity only as a result of our rebellion. God is ''trying'' to get us to repent. Then, Christians turn the left cheek and love their enemy. We forgive them. We visit them in prison. We defend ourselves but we do not torture and repay eye for an eye. Or do we? Am I reading a different bible to everyone else?

 

[LostButTrying]

You won't have any time to notice, the anguish, pain and terror will be too great, too all-encompassing for sightseeing.
An eternal, inexpressible scream.

 

[newname]

None of these views are true newname. I don't blame you for having them though, it is what many are taught.

The reason we do not weep over the lost is because we agree with what is happening to them. We agree with God on their punishment. God has nothing to hide from us. He is righteous in ''ALL'' His ways.

Now what is simply insanely shocking is the fact that many are currently ''ok'' with ''brazen bull type torture''. This is ''people'' reading into the words ''fire'' with no discernment and literally assuming the absolute worst about God and the future.

To put you at ease. To put all of us at ease. We need only look at history and at how a God / Jesus filled person treats their enemies. History shows us that God's wrath is swift. Unless it is a plague. Plagues increase in severity only as a result of our rebellion. God is ''trying'' to get us to repent. Then, Christians turn the left cheek and love their enemy. We forgive them. We visit them in prison. We defend ourselves but we do not torture and repay eye for an eye. Or do we? Am I reading a different bible to everyone else?

Lazarus could see the rich man. He wasn't screaming. He talked normal and was concerned about his brothers. He was having pain though. Weeping and gnashing of teeth it says. If you're in a fire like you described you can't even weep I guess.
Details are not important. We can only believe what Jesus says about it and I don't think it's very useful to go read Dantes inferno and speculate if that is true. It's bad enough even if it isn't that horrific.
I think visiting would only mean torment, cause why would one like to see someone from a nice great place where there's always joy who has no hope to offer that he will ever go there?

 

[newname]

Someone saw ppl whose sins were exposed in the Light, so they fled to darkness themselves to hide.

 

[KingJ]

You won't have any time to notice, the anguish, pain and terror will be too great, too all-encompassing for sightseeing.
An eternal, inexpressible scream.

Scripture?