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The 2 Kinds of Faith of Abraham

You don't know the scriptures or are you deliberately saying they don't say what they say.

John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

Try closing your eyes and believing . .

Jesus our brother in the Lord did not perform it on his own accord he had no power living in a earthen body of death again no power of his own This command I received from my Father."

We must be careful how we hear or say we do .

He did not command his own self rise up from the dead. and I would think the father was not sleeping. Its no one of those how do it your own selfers. It can't be goggled its a living work God perform in us yoked with him

Again Jesus is our brother in the Lord not our father as the lord his own self. (the whosever)

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother
 
Try closing your eyes and believing .
Try believing what you read and maybe God will open your eyes.

Jesus IS the resurrection.
Jesus raised himself and is the one that will raise all from the dead. Jesus says he is the resurrection. He is the resurrection. Hear it and believe it.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
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Jesus our brother in the Lord did not perform it on his own accord he had no power living in a earthen body of death again no power of his own This command I received from my Father."


Matthew 28: 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

We must be careful how we hear or say we do .
I don't think you would ever meet anyone more careful than me.
He did not command his own self rise up from the dead. and I would think the father was not sleeping.
Jesus had the authority. I gave you the scripture.
Its no one of those how do it your own selfers. It can't be goggled its a living work God perform in us yoked with him

Again Jesus is our brother in the Lord not our father as the lord his own self. (the whosever)
Jesus is God the Father come as a son in the flesh.
 
Try believing what you read and maybe God will open your eyes.

Jesus IS the resurrection.
Jesus raised himself and is the one that will raise all from the dead. Jesus says he is the resurrection. He is the resurrection. Hear it and believe it.

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:


It would seem you are not mixing faith the eternal (Hebrew 4:1-2) in what you do see, the temporal Christ came that the spiritually blind might see and those who say they do might become blind . We must be careful on how we hear or say we do .. .

When Jesus spoke the words given to him from the father he glorified the father not seen not his own powerless fleshly will . Jesus our brother in the Lord said not as I will but you Father the one with power .

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Jesus neither sent himself or empowered himself .

Jesus as the chief apostle messenger was given words from the father that inform us he is our brother in the family of God just as us who also do the will of the father that worked in the Son of man . . Jesus lived in a body of death (powerless)

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother

If you say Jesus as the Son of man is the power of ressurection And not that Jesus spoke on behalf of the father as a prophet then that would include our own selves .

We can simply raise ourselves no need of power from the Father .
 
Matthew 28: 18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
What ever applies to the Son of man Jesus applies to his brothers and sisters .All power from the father is given to all in whom the Spirit of Christ dwells in . .he gave power to the Son of man who lived in a earthen vessel of death again the same as us . The power never became of the the corrupted dying flesh in which Jesus said of his own flesh it profits for nothing, zero , nada .God is not a man, never was never could be.

Note.. . . .(Power )
Note . . . .(no power dead)

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
It would seem you are not mixing faith the eternal (Hebrew 4:1-2) in what you do see, the temporal
What are you talking about mixing faith the eternal?
You don't make sense and are just looking for a way to use the scriptures to condemn?
Christ came that the spiritually blind might see and those who say they do might become blind . We must be careful on how we hear or say we do .. .

When Jesus spoke the words given to him from the father he glorified the father not seen not his own powerless fleshly will . Jesus our brother in the Lord said not as I will but you Father the one with power .

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Jesus neither sent himself or empowered himself .

Jesus as the chief apostle messenger was given words from the father that inform us he is our brother in the family of God just as us who also do the will of the father that worked in the Son of man . . Jesus lived in a body of death (powerless)

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother

If you say Jesus as the Son of man is the power of ressurection And not that Jesus spoke on behalf of the father as a prophet then that would include our own selves .

We can simply raise ourselves no need of power from the Father .
You don't want to be corrected so you can have the Truth?
I. gave. you. scripture that says. Jesus. was given. ALL POWER and AUTHORITY.

Why do you say we raise ourselves?! You should be more careful in what you say and not say anything.

The saved receive the Spirit of God---who IS Jesus.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
 
What ever applies to the Son of man Jesus applies to his brothers and sisters .All power from the father is given to all in whom the Spirit of Christ dwells in . .he gave power to the Son of man who lived in a earthen vessel of death again the same as us . The power never became of the the corrupted dying flesh in which Jesus said of his own flesh it profits for nothing, zero , nada .God is not a man, never was never could be.

Note.. . . .(Power )
Note . . . .(no power dead)

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Jesus explained that LITERALLY EATING HIS FLESH profits nothing.

You don't want to be corrected and learn and grow closer to the Lord!

When Jesus told his disciples to eat his flesh---MANY LEFT HIM BECAUSE they thought he meant to LITERALLY EAT HIS FLESH.

Look into it!

You want to act like a debater of truth and a teacher---then try to understand what your opponent is saying and look into the scriptures in which I am speaking about!
 
It would seem you are not mixing faith the eternal (Hebrew 4:1-2) in what you do see, the temporal
You are trying to say I don't have faith?

You referenced Hebrews 4:1-2.

Let's talk about that.

You think it means they did not enter God's rest because they just didn't have faith? Is that what you are saying?

They did not enter the promised land BECAUSE THEY DID NOT OBEY.

Numbers 14:22 not one of those who saw my glory and the signs I performed in Egypt and in the wilderness but who disobeyed me and tested me ten times--

23 not one of them will ever see the land I promised on oath to their ancestors. No one who has treated me with contempt will ever see it.

Christ came that the spiritually blind might see and those who say they do might become blind . We must be careful on how we hear or say we do .. .

When Jesus spoke the words given to him from the father he glorified the father not seen not his own powerless fleshly will . Jesus our brother in the Lord said not as I will but you Father the one with power .

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Jesus neither sent himself or empowered himself .

Jesus as the chief apostle messenger was given words from the father that inform us he is our brother in the family of God just as us who also do the will of the father that worked in the Son of man . . Jesus lived in a body of death (powerless)

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother

If you say Jesus as the Son of man is the power of ressurection And not that Jesus spoke on behalf of the father as a prophet then that would include our own selves .

We can simply raise ourselves no need of power from the Father .
All humans have their own spirit within them given at conception.
Jesus' spirit is the Spirit of his Father.

When Jesus died on the cross, his spirit was still alive, for spirits don't die.

After three days of preaching the gospel to those in prison/hell, Jesus then raised himself.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
1 Peter 3:18 Because The Messiah also died once for the sake of our sins, The Righteous One in the place of sinners, to bring you to God, and he died in body and lived in his Spirit.

Some scriptures say the Father raised Jesus. Some scriptures say Jesus raised himself. Some scriptures say the Spirit raised Jesus. So who raised Jesus? Which one raised Jesus? They are all the same one and only Spirit.
 
You don't know the scriptures or are you deliberately saying they don't say what they say.

John 10:18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

The son is the Word of God and was always with God and was God.
This copied and pasted post below is from another thread for your benefit.
No need for apologies. My reply was too sparse.


I see your point of view, but given that such a fantastic thing had happened, I'd be wanting to write down everything. Then again, none of the gospels were written until the twelve started to get old and worry about dying (although it's possible that Paul had Luke write up his Gospel).
I believe that is an assumption based on Biblical scholars by how old the earliest manuscripts were, but just because they have no evidence of earlier manuscripts, it does not mean there weren't any. Probably just got worn out from use and then replaced with a copy. One indication of this is how Paul testified in 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 KJV indirectly of the apostle John and the Book of Revelation as being written before his second epistles to the Corinthians.

When they started sending letters to churches like they did in Acts 15, I would believe they would have written or have started writing the gospels. Indeed, Luke writing the Book of Acts would strongly suggest the gospel of Luke was written before that history of the early church in Acts. The way the book of Acts ended was to validify Paul for what God was sending him for unto the Gentiles as well as validify that the gospel is indeed being sent to the Gentiles for others that should be led by the Lord to do.

Acts 28: 25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. 29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves. 30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, 31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

I am not sure what span of years that Luke recorded the Book of Acts for by citing the history of the early church from Pentecost before writing it, but there is nothing to suggest that the gospel of Luke was not written earlier, but strongly indicated as just written before the Book of Acts. But we will know for sure when we come face to face with the Lord in Heaven.
Disagree... Acts 10. Even claimed by Peter in Acts 15.

(Acts 15:7 KJV) And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.​
Well, following a mandate does not mean there were no other outreach to the Gentiles.
Obviously, as you've shown, there was contention -

(Galatians 2:7 KJV) But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;​
I believe the actual contention was when Peter had seen believers converted from Judaism coming into fellowship, he separated himself from the Gentiles in sitting with the former Jews at their table or wherever, thus behaving like a Jew that separate themselves from Samaritans as well as Gentiles.

But there was no contention about Paul going to the Gentiles with the gospel as Peter was to the Jews as their primary mission sent by the Lord.
Other than Paul's claim, we have no second witness, but Peter's claim was left unchallenged (though Jame's viewpoint held sway in Acts 15).
Luke's writing the Book of Acts serves as a witness in gathering witnesses accounts, but for what Paul was writing, example is from his second epistles to the Corinthians...

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

There would be 2 or 3 witnesses in that church at Corinth to confirm that this would be the third time Paul would be coming unto them just as his epistles to the Galatians would confirm that event he is writing about in that epistle.
But Paul had his publicist. Peter did not.
Peter did confirm Paul's writings on par with the rest of scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

So Peter validify Paul's epistles, including the one to the Galatians.
Somewhere between Acts 10 and Acts 15, James (brother of Jesus) rose to preeminence in the church at Jerusalem (likely by appeal to blood right) and swayed the church back into being "zealous for the law," but I am reluctant to cast Peter in the role of unfaithful servant (as Paul had).

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As Peter did validify Paul's epistles as well as Luke's account regarding Paul sent to the Gentiles at the ending of the Book of Acts 28th chapter, then for James to have offered the right hand of fellowship to Paul as reported by Paul in that epistle of Galatians, there can be no other gospel for why many believers are reading & applying the words of James's "faith without works being dead" wrongly as if James was inferring works are required for salvation in Christ Jesus.

That would be contrariwise to everything Paul has written in Romans as if they spoke a different gospel and did not have the right hand of fellowship in that epistles to the Galatians.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Paul touched on a believer not working for how he was saved earlier in comparing to how Abraham was not justified by works but for believing in God.


Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Those who look to works to accompany and to obtain their salvation are doing so out of debt and denying that they are saved for simply believing in Jesus Christ. We are to follow Him & abide in His words as His disciples in bearing fruit to avoid the consequence of being cut off ( see verse 6 in John 15:1-8 KJV & Luke 12:40-49 KJV ) from the first fruits of the resurrection for being workers of iniquity ( Luke 13:24-30 ) and thus being damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, but still in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & Matthew 5:19 ), testifying to the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in Him, even in His name. John 1:12-13 KJV

And that is why James words "faith without works being dead" was only pertaining to faith in God to provide that requires the church that share that faith TO the poor to lead by example in the eyes of the poor.

Otherwise, by misapplying James words, then James & Paul are preaching a different gospel and there can be no right hand of fellowship coming out of that.

P.S. Will be sharing this post in another thread also. FYI
 
This copied and pasted post below is from another thread for your benefit.
Your copying and pasting is not right and you do it a lot and in many threads. It takes awhile for me sometimes to realize it is just a copy/paste after I read and answer something I already did in another thread. You have to know that what you are doing is not right and is harmful to others who spend time away from doing other things just to read and answer you again about something they already read and answered! It is worthless wear on their body readying and scrolling and replying to the same questions and comments that you don't even answer.
See how you quoted my reply about Jesus raising himself, you didn't even comment on it to say something good or bad, but then you post for me to read something from you and reply to a completely different topic you want me to reply to.
I don't mind you letting me know there is something you want me to read and reply to, but at least answer and reply to my posts too, and don't copy and paste this same post of yours to another thread!

I'm going to reply to this post of yours and I want a reply back to everything I say about it.
I believe that is an assumption based on Biblical scholars by how old the earliest manuscripts were, but just because they have no evidence of earlier manuscripts, it does not mean there weren't any. Probably just got worn out from use and then replaced with a copy. One indication of this is how Paul testified in 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 KJV indirectly of the apostle John and the Book of Revelation as being written before his second epistles to the Corinthians.

When they started sending letters to churches like they did in Acts 15, I would believe they would have written or have started writing the gospels. Indeed, Luke writing the Book of Acts would strongly suggest the gospel of Luke was written before that history of the early church in Acts. The way the book of Acts ended was to validify Paul for what God was sending him for unto the Gentiles as well as validify that the gospel is indeed being sent to the Gentiles for others that should be led by the Lord to do.

Acts 28: 25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, 26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it. 29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves. 30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, 31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

I am not sure what span of years that Luke recorded the Book of Acts for by citing the history of the early church from Pentecost before writing it, but there is nothing to suggest that the gospel of Luke was not written earlier, but strongly indicated as just written before the Book of Acts. But we will know for sure when we come face to face with the Lord in Heaven.

Well, following a mandate does not mean there were no other outreach to the Gentiles.

I believe the actual contention was when Peter had seen believers converted from Judaism coming into fellowship, he separated himself from the Gentiles in sitting with the former Jews at their table or wherever, thus behaving like a Jew that separate themselves from Samaritans as well as Gentiles.
That is not truth. Your beliefs on it is not from the scriptures and goes against what Paul says. Paul says plainly that Peter was afraid of the Jews, the Jews who tried to get the Gentile Christians to do the purification/ceremonial works of the law. There were the Jews who said that the Gentiles had to get circumcised and observe their special days, etc.

Peter was afraid that those Jews would get him arrested and beat and kill him. That is why he kept away from the Gentile Christians that he used to associate with. They weren't circumcised and following the old works of the law, which are the purification works. He was now acting out of line with the truth because of his fear. Peter had a fear of the Jews and it was why Peter denied Jesus before three times before.

But there was no contention about Paul going to the Gentiles with the gospel as Peter was to the Jews as their primary mission sent by the Lord.

Luke's writing the Book of Acts serves as a witness in gathering witnesses accounts, but for what Paul was writing, example is from his second epistles to the Corinthians...

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

There would be 2 or 3 witnesses in that church at Corinth to confirm that this would be the third time Paul would be coming unto them just as his epistles to the Galatians would confirm that event he is writing about in that epistle.
That is not true what you are saying! Paul had a hard time with the Corinthians not repenting of their sins. That is why he went back to the Corinthians. The three witnesses is about calling out some of the Corinthians as sinning.
Peter did confirm Paul's writings on par with the rest of scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

So Peter validify Paul's epistles, including the one to the Galatians.

As Peter did validify Paul's epistles as well as Luke's account regarding Paul sent to the Gentiles at the ending of the Book of Acts 28th chapter, then for James to have offered the right hand of fellowship to Paul as reported by Paul in that epistle of Galatians, there can be no other gospel for why many believers are reading & applying the words of James's "faith without works being dead" wrongly as if James was inferring works are required for salvation in Christ Jesus.
You made up a whole false doctrine about needing three witnesses to what Paul said, and then went against JAMES and so doing you go against the Word of God.
There is only one gospel and it is not faith alone. You would rather go against an Apostle of God's than admit YOU ARE WRONG.
That would be contrariwise to everything Paul has written in Romans as if they spoke a different gospel and did not have the right hand of fellowship in that epistles to the Galatians.
There is only one gospel and you misunderstand the scriptures because you listened to what men in error said about it, and instead of repenting of it for the truth, you double down and continue in your falseness.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Paul touched on a believer not working for how he was saved earlier in comparing to how Abraham was not justified by works but for believing in God.
The NOT OF WORKS is about not of the purification works like CIRCUMCISION and the observance of special days, and the dietary law!

Abraham's faith is his faith VERSES his command by God to be CIRCUMCISED in the flesh.

Circumcision in the flesh is the sign that a person was in a covenant with God and that they did the other purification works of the law.
Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

Did you read that? CONCERNING THE FLESH, as in CIRCUMCISION OF THE FLESH.
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
That is about the PURIFICATION WORKS. Do you really want to believe the false teaching that Paul is putting Abraham down for obeying God?!!!

The Jews used to be JUSTIFIED before God by all their PURIFICATION/CEREMONIAL WORKS.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
That is about Abraham believing in God and it was counted as righteousness even before the CIRCUMCISION, but NOT before OBEYING God, for Abraham had faith and obedience to God BEFORE THE CIRCUMCISION.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
...THE PURIFYING WORKS.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
That is CIRCUMCISION VERSES JUST HAVING FAITH THAT JESUS PURIFIES US WITH HIS BLOOD. It doesn't mean you don't have to obey Jesus and repent of your sins to get saved, it means you don't have to also get circumcised in the flesh.
Those who look to works to accompany and to obtain their salvation are doing so out of debt and denying that they are saved for simply believing in Jesus Christ.
I pray you humble yourself and stop your false beliefs, for yourself! We are not to believe and preach falseness. You are going against obedience to Christ and the Way to salvation.
We are to follow Him & abide in His words as His disciples in bearing fruit to avoid the consequence of being cut off ( see verse 6 in John 15:1-8 KJV & Luke 12:40-49 KJV ) from the first fruits of the resurrection for being workers of iniquity ( Luke 13:24-30 ) and thus being damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, but still in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 & Matthew 5:19 ), testifying to the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in Him, even in His name. John 1:12-13 KJV

And that is why James words "faith without works being dead" was only pertaining to faith in God to provide that requires the church that share that faith TO the poor to lead by example in the eyes of the poor.
NO WAY. Faith without right action is DEAD and CANNOT SAVE ANYONE, and it doesn't mean just feeding a hungry brother who came to you for food!
Otherwise, by misapplying James words, then James & Paul are preaching a different gospel and there can be no right hand of fellowship coming out of that.
YOU are the one misapply JAMES' WORDS AND PAUL'S!!!
P.S. Will be sharing this post in another thread also. FYI
See what you just admitted to! Now I took my time to read what your beliefs are, and I replied back IN DETAIL. I want the SAME THING done by YOU to me!
 
Two ships passing each other in the night where no iron sharpening iron is taking place. So be it. Jesus is Lord.
 
Two ships passing each other in the night where no iron sharpening iron is taking place. So be it. Jesus is Lord.
Then you don't have any understanding and no sword of any kind, just a hammer. No wonder you have so many problems.
 
You are trying to say I don't have faith?

You referenced Hebrews 4:1-2.

Let's talk about that.

You think it means they did not enter God's rest because they just didn't have faith? Is that what you are saying?

They did not enter the promised land BECAUSE THEY DID NOT OBEY.

Numbers 14:22 not one of those who saw my glory and the signs I performed in Egypt and in the wilderness but who disobeyed me and tested me ten times--

23 not one of them will ever see the land I promised on oath to their ancestors. No one who has treated me with contempt will ever see it.


All humans have their own spirit within them given at conception.
Jesus' spirit is the Spirit of his Father.

When Jesus died on the cross, his spirit was still alive, for spirits don't die.

After three days of preaching the gospel to those in prison/hell, Jesus then raised himself.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
1 Peter 3:18 Because The Messiah also died once for the sake of our sins, The Righteous One in the place of sinners, to bring you to God, and he died in body and lived in his Spirit.

Some scriptures say the Father raised Jesus. Some scriptures say Jesus raised himself. Some scriptures say the Spirit raised Jesus. So who raised Jesus? Which one raised Jesus? They are all the same one and only Spirit.

God is not a man (impossible)

I don't know who has faith or not its a work that God works in us daily .Only God sees in the heart of all mankind We are called of little faith .(not of our own self) he is the storeroom .Again we have little faith .

They did not enter God's rest because they just didn't mix faith the eternal not seen with the temporal seen when they did view the parables . Historically true but another layer of reasoning when mixing the two. the spiritual or gospel understanding . That is what I am saying

No mixing no rest yoked with Christ who does the work or labor of His love in the new creation . The kind of faith that pleases God .

Jesu could no more raise his self then could any son of God . Again that shows you are not mixing faith ,
 
God is not a man (impossible)
God came as a man.
I don't know who has faith or not its a work that God works in us daily .Only God sees in the heart of all mankind We are called of little faith .(not of our own self) he is the storeroom .Again we have little faith .

They did not enter God's rest because they just didn't mix faith the eternal not seen with the temporal seen when they did view the parables .
They did not enter because they did not obey. That is scripture.
Historically true but another layer of reasoning when mixing the two. the spiritual or gospel understanding . That is what I am saying

No mixing no rest yoked with Christ who does the work or labor of His love in the new creation .

Jesus says he has a yoke for us. A yoke means work.

The kind of faith that pleases God .

Jesu could no more raise his self then could any son of God . Again that shows you are not mixing faith ,

I believe Jesus and not you.
I gave you scripture where Jesus says he raised himself, and that HE IS THE RESURRECTION, meaning he is the one that does the resurrecting, and, I gave you scripture that says he has all authority.
 
God came as a man.
God came working in a man just as he works in us today.
They did not enter because they did not obey. That is scripture.
Yes as in all things God must do the first work of giving mankind ears to hear and a willing heart to obey

us says he has a yoke for us. A yoke means work.
Yes ,as new creatures we are yoked with him he makes or daily burden lighter with a living hoer of new incorruptible bodies .

believe Jesus and not you.
I gave you scripture where Jesus says he raised himself, and that HE IS THE RESURRECTION, meaning he is the one that does the resurrecting, and, I gave you scripture that says he has all authority
That the power or faith he gives to all believers. Believe God not each other he warns us of those who say we do need a man to teach us.

learning how to "mix faith" is the key yoked with or working with him our daily sufferings can be reduced

Powerless (no faith)

Power ( Faith according to God' s labor of love .

Fruit (power of the gospel)

Hebrews 4:1-2ing James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it
 
God came working in a man just as he works in us today.
God works in those who are saved, those who have believed and obeyed are the ones Jesus saves.

Yes as in all things God must do the first work of giving mankind ears to hear and a willing heart to obey
We do NOT have to have understanding to obey God, but God gives understanding AFTER we obey Him!

If you want scriptures for anything I say just ask.
Yes ,as new creatures we are yoked with him he makes or daily burden lighter with a living hoer of new incorruptible bodies .


That the power or faith he gives to all believers. Believe God not each other he warns us of those who say we do need a man to teach us.
We are to have Jesus as our Teacher. The only way to have Jesus as our teacher is to get his teachings from the New Testament and do what he says, THEN he will give us his Spirit and give us understanding.

HOWEVER, we can CORRECT others on what the truth is, and we do that by showing the scriptures.

Paul opposes Peter. See Galatians 2:11-21

1 Timothy 1:3-4 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work—which is by faith.

2 Timothy 2:25-26 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.

2 Timothy 4:2-4 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

Titus 1:13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith


learning how to "mix faith" is the key yoked with or working with him our daily sufferings can be reduced

Powerless (no faith)

Power ( Faith according to God' s labor of love .

Fruit (power of the gospel)

Hebrews 4:1-2ing James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it
Faith without right action is dead, like a dead body.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
Abraham was not justified by works before God but by believing in Him is why and how we are justified by believing in Jesus Christ without works.

Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So salvation is without works because Jesus Christ is able to save those who believe in Him for why He is called the Saviour.

Now having been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, we are to live that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ by trusting Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily or risk being left behind when the Bridegroom comes.


Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Those left behind are still saved, but there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth over the loss of that first inheritance like Esau did over his birth right for a meal. but even though the prodigal son can never get his inheritance back after having spent it on wild living, he will find that he is still son.

John 6:
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing
, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So while the door to the Marriage Supper is open, run as saved believers going on to perfection, placing your confidence in the Lord Jesus Christ to finish His work in you thus finishing the race to His glory. Amen..


Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.... 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 
Abraham was not justified by works before God but by believing in Him is why and how we are justified by believing in Jesus Christ without works.
You need to study and consider more carefully.

Abraham was not justified by the work of circumcision in the flesh, he was justified by faith. It is faith verses circumcision in the flesh.

It is NOT faith verses obedience!!!

Abraham still had to OBEY God and it was why Abraham was blessed.

Genesis 22:18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws.

The old laws purification works of the law used to justify the people, and circumcision in the flesh was the sign that a person was in a covenant with God and did all the purification works.

Paul is pointing out that it is not by circumcision in the flesh and the other purification works anymore, but by faith in Jesus' blood purifying and justifying us OF THE SINS WE REPENT OF DOING.
 
Abraham was not justified by works before God but by believing in Him is why and how we are justified by believing in Jesus Christ without works.
(James 2:24 KJV) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.​
 
You need to study and consider more carefully.

Abraham was not justified by the work of circumcision in the flesh, he was justified by faith. It is faith verses circumcision in the flesh.

It is NOT faith verses obedience!!!
You added to the scripture by making it about circumcision again when it was about any work that Abraham had done.

Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.


By citing how Abraham was justified without works by having believed God, is how we are saved by our faith in Jesus Christ without works.

That is not to say we do not live a life of daily repentance when we do as His disciples by looking to Jesus Christ daily to helps us lay aside every weight & sin in going on to perfection, but God is able to save those who believe. Period.
 
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