The Trinity

[Samson2020]

Dear @Samson2020
Question with follow up: If Universalist is what you are, then why are you so concerned about those who believe in the Trinity being wrong, when there are so many other religions as you are aware of that don't even come that close in their belief, or non-belief in One God, or even Son of God, much less the Holy Spirit, and yet will all live? Unless the belief has to do with where they will live the life they will have, which would be with God or separate from Him?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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It must be because the Trinitarians claim to be Christians and the others do not, therefore; it is the elect that are targeted to stumble. Satan already has
the masses under the other religions.
And in all honesty I'm not concerned at all as it's all in the Fathers hands anyway. It was just a topic of discussion that brings on heated debate.
I would ask though, why is it that the Bible says over and over and over again "THE SON OF GOD" BUT NEVER ONCE SAYS "GOD THE SON"?
Why is the Bible changed to fit the Catholic narrative that no one can explain? And if she is the mother of all H.....s then why do we hold to her doctrines?
The Lord has said come out of her my people. 1-so that you are not partakers of her sins- spreading untruths or half truths.
2- so that you do not receive of her plagues. She is religion that has trapped some of the elect. Jesus is the mediator between man and God not between man
and Himself, He is the High Priest of God not God the High Priest, Jesus is the Head of the body of Christ which God is above. Jesus is subject unto the Father, God
is not subject unto Himself. The Trinity just does not fit the scripture.

With God in full splendor as in the end ALL are brought to life in Christ. 1 Co 15:28
We all know that the scriptures do not contradict themselves so when we see a verse that says, even so ALL are justified unto life because of the one
act of righteousness that Jesus partook of. Rom 5:18
We deny that the scripture is correct because somewhere else it says that few there be that will be saved. And that is true if we only consider the first dispensation
of time. The one were in now. There is more than one.
This dispensation is maturing the first fruits group and they did nothing to deserve it, simply Gods choice. 2 Ti 1:9
Jesus died for all to be testified in due time. 1 Ti 2:6 When is that, as a lot of folks died prior to His crucifixion?
We see a verse that says "As in Adam all die(carnally minded flesh) even so shall ALL be made alive in Christ" It gets twisted to mean only those who
accepted Christ? Why? You were born a carnally minded fleshly human like me and received mercy to believe, it wasn't something you deserved but
you got it because God insisted you have it like me. 2 Ti 1:9 So as in Adam all die because God said, and all are to be made alive in Christ because God said so.
1 Co 15:22 Eph 1:10 Dispensation of the TIMES, plural, second death makes two times or dispensations.

I would ask another question about our Father. Do you really think that the one disobedient act of Adam holds more power over mankind than
the righteous act of self sacrifice of sin free Jesus? If you answer yes then you would belittle the sacrifice of the Son. And if you said no then you'd be in
my camp.
Now consider your own children, assume you left them at birth and they never knew you, you return when they are 30ish and tell them because they did not
love you your gonna roast em over a flame that never dies and neither do they. Can you see the absurdity of that? Even carnally minded flesh like us
would never do such a thing to our children but somehow we think thats exactly what God our Father is going to do to His children. We are all children
of the Most High. Psa 82:6

The things I post are meant to make the suffering easier for the true Christian. Meant to help them understand who everybody is and will someday be.
If you can see that we all, including Jesus, came out from the Father and we all shall return as mature sons, as Jesus already has, at our appointed times
then praying for someone who is your enemy, turning the other cheek, being defrauded etc... is easier knowing that they will eventually be with you when
it is finished. We are all a part of each other and all a part of God.
We are all special in His eyes at the conclusion of His plan. Indeed before the world was formed we were special to Him and thats why we are here
as human beings to become like our Father knowing good and evil and overcoming the world that we would be glorified into His image as
sons that are just like Him. And no we didn't do a thing to deserve that as it was His idea, before time began. 2 Ti 1:9 Tit 1:2

 

[Samson2020]

Heaven and Hell

I asked you why YOU... do not believe what Peter said there in 2 Peter 3:9, I've already well shown that I believe what Peter said, but now you are trying to be even more... sly to hide that you do NOT believe Peter. So WHY don't you believe that 2 Peter 3:9 verse as written? Because I did not...

www.talkjesus.com

Yes, he has.

Just for clarification I believe in universal salvation for all and I have no Idea what the universalist position actually states or is and I don't care.

The Bible I have which is KJV makes it plainer than the nose on my face thats whats gonna happen eventually.

 

[Samson2020]

I have seen all Three Persons of the Trinity.

That is a hard one to accept as NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD at any time. 1 John 1:18 And i'm pretty sure your still a man.

 

[Samson2020]

So now, it is not my place to teach you of the Holy Spirit. God will teach, if it is nessecary.

Not necessary He is with me to lead me into ALL truth. Theres that ALL word again but I guess it means only some????

 

[Samson2020]

For those of you that may wonder how i know Samson2020 already has the Spirit. He stated he cast out demons. This is very important.
Scripture shows us, the devil can not cast itself out. And humans do not have the authority on thier own. So the Spirit has to be with him

Actually we only cast out when we are instructed to, but Jesus did say they are subject unto us (if we are in Christ). Luke 10:20

 

[Samson2020]

If I could say one thing to you though. Don't be so condemning of those of us

I am not condemning anyone so don't feel that way. I said I was in all your shoes at one time myself. How could I condemn what I once was?

Were all in the same race and at different spots in the race, so encouragement is what we all need and anything else that eases the burden so
condemning anybody for their place in the race (understanding) would be plain wrong on any of our parts!

 

[Samson2020]

If you'd like you can go to the top of any page and type in Universalist, and postings of his will come up, amongst others as well. However, how receptive he will be to replying since I have warned him that this belief is not compatible to the tenets of Talk Jesus, I do not know. We shall see. Oh, the telling word in scripture for him is "ALL". The implication is that when used there is no exception, separation or deviation as being accepted when "ALL" is used.

It isn't my word it is the word of those who wrote the Bible. Now I know you believe that ALL were condemned because of Adams one act of disobedience,
so why can you not accept that ALL are to be justified unto life? Its the same verse.
As in Adam ALL die-YES? Even so IN CHRIST shall the same ALL be made alive. Bibles wording not mine. But EVERY MAN in his own order..... Here they
used the words "every man" can't comprehend how that doesn't include ALL.

And I would question you as to whether you intend to ban me again and I should take that post as a warning? It seems sad that you would rather defend
your statement of faith rather than have an open discussion on something of great importance.
None of us know it all, so why do we set our feet in stone on every issue and reject anything that disagrees with it. If God showed you Himself would you
accept it then or still reject His plan?
We all have to be careful that what we say is solid for all our work shall be tried by fire. 1 Co 3:13
And I would ask are the statements of your faith in alignment with the Catholic faith or any Protestant group? I never read them, but am curious how you guys
arrived at your specifics.
Not to offend but why does everybody have a statement of faith? Are we not being changed from glory to glory 2 Co 3:18 and if so how is it we know it all
already?

 

[B-A-C]

hat is a hard one to accept as NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD at any time. 1 John 1:18 And i'm pretty sure your still a man.

1John 1:18; isn't a verse in the Bible. So I think you mean John 1:18;

John 1:18; No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Of course Jesus is the God who is in the Father's Bosom here.
KJV says the begotten Son, (uppercase S) but it's not a great translation, most other versions say God here.
The original word in the Greek here is...

θεός
theos
theh'-os
Of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively a magistrate; by Hebraism very: - X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].
Total KJV occurrences: 1343

 

[B-A-C]

Are we not being changed from glory to glory 2 Co 3:18 and if so how is it we know it all
already?

Only those of us who have unveiled faces. Not everyone has had the veil removed.

2 Corinthians 3:18
(AMPC) And all of us, as with unveiled face, [because we] continued to behold [in the Word of God] as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are constantly being transfigured into His very own image in ever increasing splendor and from one degree of glory to another; [for this comes] from the Lord [Who is] the Spirit.
(ASV) But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, even as from the Lord the Spirit.
(BSB) And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
(KJV) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
(MKJV) But we all, with our face having been unveiled, having beheld the glory of the Lord as in a mirror, are being changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Lord Spirit.
(NAS77) But we all, with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
(NAS95) But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
(NIrV) Our faces are not covered with a veil. We all display the Lord's glory. We are being changed to become more like him so that we have more and more glory. And the glory comes from the Lord, who is the Holy Spirit.
(NIV) And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
(NKJV) But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

2Cor 3:15; But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart;
2Cor 3:16; but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

 

[B-A-C]

With God in full splendor as in the end ALL are brought to life in Christ. 1 Co 15:28

1Cor 15:16; For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
1Cor 15:17; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
1Cor 15:18; Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Cor 15:19; If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
1Cor 15:20; But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
1Cor 15:21; For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
1Cor 15:22; For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
1Cor 15:23; But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,
1Cor 15:24; then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
1Cor 15:25; For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.
1Cor 15:26; The last enemy that will be abolished is death.
1Cor 15:27; For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.
1Cor 15:28; When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

This passage is about those who are "in Christ". The word "all" here, taken in context means all those "in Christ".
It says "those who are Christ's at His coming". There will be many people who do not belong to Christ. Jesus will reign until He puts all of God's enemies where they belong.
For many that will be the Lake of Fire.

 

[B-A-C]

We all know that the scriptures do not contradict themselves so when we see a verse that says, even so ALL are justified unto life because of the one
act of righteousness that Jesus partook of. Rom 5:18

Scripture doesn't contradict itself, but it can be taken out of context.

Rom 5:15; But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
Rom 5:16; The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.
Rom 5:17; For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:18; So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Rom 5:19; For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Rom 5:20; The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
Rom 5:21; so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:1; What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2; May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Rom 6:3; Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
Rom 6:4; Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5; For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
Rom 6:6; knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;
Rom 6:7; for he who has died is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8; Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
Rom 6:9; knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him.
Rom 6:10; For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Rom 6:11; Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Rom 6:12; Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,

This is two chapters, but it's all one thought, one context. The chapters and verses weren't added until the mid 1500's.
Verse 19 says "many" will be made righteous, however many is not "all". Jesus's blood can cover the sins of the whole world. He doesn't have to die again to cover more sins.
However the "justification of life to ALL men" ( emphasis mine ) only applies to the "all of us who have been baptized into Christ".
"IF" ( and that's a big if ) if we have died with Christ .... we shall also live with Him.

 

[B-A-C]

Just for clarification I believe in universal salvation for all and I have no Idea what the universalist position actually states

Well, it does seem that you don't agree with all the Universalist doctrines, I agree with that. However you do agree with the main tenant.

Unitarian Universalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This core doctrine asserts that through Christ every single human soul shall be saved, leading to the "restitution of all things"

 

[Samson2020]

Only those of us who have unveiled faces. Not everyone has had the veil removed.

Sorry you did all that work. I know as you that only the elect are being changed at this time as it should be.
The question was why do we who are being changed feel as though we know it all already and then stop at whatever point in our walk to write down
a statement of faith to defend as opposed to letting the Lord show us ALL truth and just live in that truth? And not only here but every organization does
the same, it's just a question I have that never made much sense. Define yourself and your belief now so that no matter what you are shown you must
defend that belief until death? What happens when your shown a higher truth? Do you repent of being responsible for spreading the half truth? Or reject the
higher truth and remain blind to it?

 

[B-A-C]

No one has seen God?

John 1:32; John testified saying, "I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him.
John 1:33; "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'

Mark 1:10; Immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon Him;
Mark 1:11; and a voice came out of the heavens: "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

Luke 3:22; and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

Isa 6:5; Then I said, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."

Dan 3:24; Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astounded and stood up in haste; he said to his high officials, "Was it not three men we cast bound into the midst of the fire?" They replied to the king, "Certainly, O king."
Dan 3:25; He said, "Look! I see four men loosed and walking about in the midst of the fire without harm, and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods!"

Exod 33:11; Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses returned to the camp, his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.

Matt 1:23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

Anyone who saw Jesus, saw God.

 

[B-A-C]

Sorry you did all that work.

No problem, about 10 minutes of effort.

 

[Samson2020]

Rom 5:20; The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
Rom 5:21; so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Its right there in front of you. Death reigned through sin and the power of sin was the Law. But now grace reigns through righteousness (Gods Righteousness imputed)
to eternal life through Christ Jesus. I am the resurrection.
Grace can never be defeated by sin, grace will cover all sin as it abounds much more than sin.

"Ye are saved by grace through faith and that not of yourselves, it(faith) is the gift of God." And if a gift that only God can give in order for you to be saved, how is anyone not gifted that faith responsible for acquiring it in this the first dispensation? It is a remnant according to the election of grace Rom 11:5 For God has made most, vessels of dishonor, to be destroyed at this time. Rom 9:21
However God is the one who takes credit for being the one who kills and makes alive.... Deu 32:39 Is it not the law that exposes sin and the law was given by God,
so a tool for sin to destroy man in the flesh. But God also sent Jesus to pay the price for the sin of the world and thereby justify all unto life and not in the flesh
for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

Rom 5:16; The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.

again the initial condemnation was to all for one transgression, but the free gift results in justification. Now if none of us deserve it and it is a gift, what is stopping
God from gifting life to all as that is what was paid for by the one act of righteousness?

Rom 5:18; So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

States the same thing.

I understand the many controversy but you must consider that all men were condemned with one exception, that being Jesus. So many is ALL but one.

For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon ALL. Rom 11:32

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.
So if ALL are justified unto life through the one act of righteousness, then all will be glorified according to Rom 8:30

The only real issue we have is who is predestinated to be saved? And in which dispensation?
It isn't because of their/our works or them/us deserving it, but to all for we all were/are foreknown of God.
So whether in this dispensation or the next it's up to Him to finish His will. And this accomplishes the EVERY MAN in his own order being brought into life
in Christ, that born again experience that begins ones ultimate purpose for being a human.

Paul skips over speaking of a second dispensation in 1 Co 15:23-24 not sure why but maybe told to not speak of it or thought they wouldn't understand?
But we know He speaks of dispensations of TIMES in Eph 1:10 And within those TIMES is when all will be made alive in Christ.
My only question is how many times are there, for me personally I can only see two.
Now we both understand that when the Bible speaks of time and times and half a time. Its understood to mean 3&1/2 yrs, This is a bit different in that
the time frame is not known for each dispensation. Not really sure we know how long this one has been, unless we start the calculation at the resurrection.
But as it is TIMES there wil be at least one more.

 

[Samson2020]

Well, it does seem that you don't agree with all the Universalist doctrines, I agree with that. However you do agree with the main tenant.

Unitarian Universalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes I do. For all things will be reconciled unto the Father.

Col 1:20 AND 1 Co 15:25 Both state that all things are to be reconciled, thus Biblical truth. And that Jesus must reign until ALL things have been placed beneath
Him including all heavenly and earthly things. No need for inanimate things here it's people and other principalities or powers(i.e. death, the grave etc)
Doesn't mean they're just burned up, their power to hold one in a state of death is wiped out. If anyone remained in a grave then the grave would still have
power and still be an enemy not put beneath Him.

Have we not received the ministry of RECONCILIATION?
2 Co 5:18 "And ALL THINGS are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given unto us the ministry of reconciliation."

 

[Samson2020]

Matt 1:23 "BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."

And indeed He was with them once the Spirit descended upon Him and remained.
God was In Christ Jesus reconciling the world unto Himself 2Co 5:19
Jesus was a man not God. But the fullness of God resided in the man. God is a Spirit, men cannot with the naked eye see a Spirit. If we could I'm pretty sure it
would be somewhat an awesome but unfathomable experience to see just how many unclean spirits are attached to the race of men around us. It would
be almost impossible to live any semblance of a normal life seeing them everywhere, all the time.

Luke 3:22; and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

Made visible like a dove, not truly as it is for the HG is not a dove.

Isa 6:5; Then I said, "Woe is me, for I am ruined! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I live among a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts."

Spiritual eyes or human eyes?
Job also claimed he now saw God. Job 42:5

In either case If they truly saw with the physical eye then what Jesus said in John 1:18 would be an untruth. Agreed?

 

[Christ4Ever]

It must be because the Trinitarians claim to be Christians and the others do not, therefore; it is the elect that are targeted to stumble. Satan already has
the masses under the other religions.
And in all honesty I'm not concerned at all as it's all in the Fathers hands anyway. It was just a topic of discussion that brings on heated debate.
I would ask though, why is it that the Bible says over and over and over again "THE SON OF GOD" BUT NEVER ONCE SAYS "GOD THE SON"?
Why is the Bible changed to fit the Catholic narrative that no one can explain? And if she is the mother of all H.....s then why do we hold to her doctrines?
The Lord has said come out of her my people. 1-so that you are not partakers of her sins- spreading untruths or half truths.
2- so that you do not receive of her plagues. She is religion that has trapped some of the elect. Jesus is the mediator between man and God not between man
and Himself, He is the High Priest of God not God the High Priest, Jesus is the Head of the body of Christ which God is above. Jesus is subject unto the Father, God
is not subject unto Himself. The Trinity just does not fit the scripture.

With God in full splendor as in the end ALL are brought to life in Christ. 1 Co 15:28
We all know that the scriptures do not contradict themselves so when we see a verse that says, even so ALL are justified unto life because of the one
act of righteousness that Jesus partook of. Rom 5:18
We deny that the scripture is correct because somewhere else it says that few there be that will be saved. And that is true if we only consider the first dispensation
of time. The one were in now. There is more than one.
This dispensation is maturing the first fruits group and they did nothing to deserve it, simply Gods choice. 2 Ti 1:9
Jesus died for all to be testified in due time. 1 Ti 2:6 When is that, as a lot of folks died prior to His crucifixion?
We see a verse that says "As in Adam all die(carnally minded flesh) even so shall ALL be made alive in Christ" It gets twisted to mean only those who
accepted Christ? Why? You were born a carnally minded fleshly human like me and received mercy to believe, it wasn't something you deserved but
you got it because God insisted you have it like me. 2 Ti 1:9 So as in Adam all die because God said, and all are to be made alive in Christ because God said so.
1 Co 15:22 Eph 1:10 Dispensation of the TIMES, plural, second death makes two times or dispensations.

I would ask another question about our Father. Do you really think that the one disobedient act of Adam holds more power over mankind than
the righteous act of self sacrifice of sin free Jesus? If you answer yes then you would belittle the sacrifice of the Son. And if you said no then you'd be in
my camp.
Now consider your own children, assume you left them at birth and they never knew you, you return when they are 30ish and tell them because they did not
love you your gonna roast em over a flame that never dies and neither do they. Can you see the absurdity of that? Even carnally minded flesh like us
would never do such a thing to our children but somehow we think thats exactly what God our Father is going to do to His children. We are all children
of the Most High. Psa 82:6

The things I post are meant to make the suffering easier for the true Christian. Meant to help them understand who everybody is and will someday be.
If you can see that we all, including Jesus, came out from the Father and we all shall return as mature sons, as Jesus already has, at our appointed times
then praying for someone who is your enemy, turning the other cheek, being defrauded etc... is easier knowing that they will eventually be with you when
it is finished. We are all a part of each other and all a part of God.
We are all special in His eyes at the conclusion of His plan. Indeed before the world was formed we were special to Him and thats why we are here
as human beings to become like our Father knowing good and evil and overcoming the world that we would be glorified into His image as
sons that are just like Him. And no we didn't do a thing to deserve that as it was His idea, before time began. 2 Ti 1:9 Tit 1:2

Dear Samson2020,
You never did answer my questions and just covered it up with nothing new.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt on my 1st question to you that you came the closest to answering when you said "And in all honesty I'm not concerned at all as it's all in the Fathers hands anyway." Even when you said "It must be because the Trinitarians claim to be Christians and the others do not, therefore; it is the elect that are targeted to stumble. Satan already has the masses under the other religions." Which in truth did nothing to answer what I had asked you. For it you have no concern that it makes no difference for "ALL" are given life back to complete unity with God, it should not matter, but by the little you said it does make a difference to you.

Which is why I had that follow up, which you also did not answer, but if you had it would have provided some clarity/understanding to your position. My question being: "Unless the belief has to do with where they live the life "ALL" will have, which is together with God or separate from Him?" Answering that would have provided greater clarity/understanding to where you really stand as to all religious falsehoods, be they Christian or something else entirely with or without Christ Jesus.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
\o/
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[Christ4Ever]

It isn't my word it is the word of those who wrote the Bible. Now I know you believe that ALL were condemned because of Adams one act of disobedience,
so why can you not accept that ALL are to be justified unto life? Its the same verse.
As in Adam ALL die-YES? Even so IN CHRIST shall the same ALL be made alive. Bibles wording not mine. But EVERY MAN in his own order..... Here they
used the words "every man" can't comprehend how that doesn't include ALL.

And I would question you as to whether you intend to ban me again and I should take that post as a warning? It seems sad that you would rather defend
your statement of faith rather than have an open discussion on something of great importance.
None of us know it all, so why do we set our feet in stone on every issue and reject anything that disagrees with it. If God showed you Himself would you
accept it then or still reject His plan?
We all have to be careful that what we say is solid for all our work shall be tried by fire. 1 Co 3:13
And I would ask are the statements of your faith in alignment with the Catholic faith or any Protestant group? I never read them, but am curious how you guys
arrived at your specifics.
Not to offend but why does everybody have a statement of faith? Are we not being changed from glory to glory 2 Co 3:18 and if so how is it we know it all
already?

Dear Samson2020,
Was I talking to you in this post? Was it directed to you at all?
If you felt the need to explain yourself, which in my poor way I was attempting to do with Brother Bill concerning you, it would have been better to direct your reply to him and not me.

However, I will ask you since you have been here before, and been banned, and will probably be again; why did you come back here when with your position in support of Universalism, it really makes no difference?

See Samson2020, in one way you use Scripture to state there is an accountability to people like me in their belief/actions, and in the other that it makes no difference when "ALL" goes back to an original state, irrespective of belief/act, which I believe means back to a perfect state with God.

Confused by this? Me too. That is why I ask you again the question in my last post and hope that you will reply to.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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